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Post by Aza on Jun 12, 2020 14:10:16 GMT
I found out that melee pierce affects RF differently than our other skill, not too big but I can see the difference. With Wild Ring my best Rapid Fang is 610k while with Iron Tsuba it reduced to 590k.
But 2nd hit impact blow with WR is 189k and with IT 190k. Tested on 3i.
Fyi Iron Tsuba has -20% melee pierce.
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Jun 12, 2020 16:36:38 GMT
Pierce+% is an excelent stat for any Class (Except Monk...) With my Bishop my Nemesis on Moss Golem went from 200k to 230k using Vatendeth Al.
But Pierce+% would only be useful on enemies that have high Def/Mdef.
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Post by Aza on Jun 12, 2020 22:41:18 GMT
Even on my samu Iron Tsuba is better on all skill. It lose to Wild ring only with RF. But when shellbreak proc IT is way higher with 200k gap IT: 1.45m WR: 1.21m. If only we have something like +30% shellbreak that would be cool.
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Post by Owe on Jun 13, 2020 2:25:07 GMT
If I had to guess it has to be rapid fangs multiplier. When you think about it if you have 2 skills: one that’s crit damage x2 vs one that’s crt damage x4, the crt damage x4 can use melee pierce more effectively simply because it has a larger relative effect.
Let’s put it this way if a mob has 1000 def, iron tsuba would make them have 1200 def. If we go with the theoretical crit damage x4, that’s 4 times you’re hitting an extra 200 def or 800 def difference total. That’s near 1k difference in usable atk (correct me if I’m wrong but the game subtract the mobs def from your atk first) which could partially explain the difference. I think the reason that it’s more noticeable on RF is because the multiplier is way higher than impact blow (it has to be to be hitting as hard as it does.)
This is just my theory though, take the info with a light grain of salt
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Post by °Malice° on Jun 14, 2020 13:04:53 GMT
If u wanna test the pros of melee pierce, try on rufati(?) in mocus jungle. My monk shellbreak dmg seems like dealing 4x of normal crt auto atk, assuming that boss has 1.5k def or more
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Post by Undyne on Jun 20, 2020 6:10:37 GMT
Are we forgetting that Beast Knights other skills explicitly say they ignore enemy defense? That'd explain why -Pierce doesn't affect their dmg as much as RF lol...
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Post by ≧▽≦Pipopapo on Jun 20, 2020 11:13:03 GMT
Are we forgetting that Beast Knights other skills explicitly say they ignore enemy defense? That'd explain why -Pierce doesn't affect their dmg as much as RF lol... only Tyrant Edge
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Post by Undyne on Jun 20, 2020 15:48:24 GMT
Are we forgetting that Beast Knights other skills explicitly say they ignore enemy defense? That'd explain why -Pierce doesn't affect their dmg as much as RF lol... only Tyrant Edge Tyrant Edge doesn't state it, but it does ignore defense. If you look at the skill description for Impact Blow it says "Damage ignores Defense"
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Post by ≧▽≦Pipopapo on Jun 20, 2020 22:43:45 GMT
Tyrant Edge doesn't state it, but it does ignore defense. If you look at the skill description for Impact Blow it says "Damage ignores Defense" i know, if ypu tried it to a boss with barrier the damage is potato unlike tyrant edge dmg doesnt change
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Post by Undyne on Jun 20, 2020 22:46:34 GMT
Tyrant Edge doesn't state it, but it does ignore defense. If you look at the skill description for Impact Blow it says "Damage ignores Defense" i know, if ypu tried it to a boss with barrier the damage is potato unlike tyrant edge dmg doesnt change Barriers and Defense are two different things. Testing Impact blow Vs Luna Doll and 3i had no damage difference at all with Impact Blow lol... -melee pierce effectively increases enemy defense. Which is why in this situation Rapid Fang dmg decreases, since it doesn't ignore defense, and Impact blow doesn't change, since it already ignores the enemy defense.
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Post by Aza on Jun 21, 2020 12:15:21 GMT
Oh I see. As to why Samu do better in all skills with iron tsuba is maybe because of the huge natural base ATK. My BK only have 8-9k sad. Really did not expect that -20% melee pierce can beat the element stat.
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Post by koinzell on Jul 8, 2020 19:39:26 GMT
Hello, I was wondering does melee pierce affect double attack?
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