♪Sumire
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Summoner new skills pls *-*
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Post by ♪Sumire on Apr 27, 2020 17:47:06 GMT
didnt know if itwas already covered but 340 skill phantom step applies poison by chance (as well as increase poison duration) i already got my 2nd page unlocked so was also thinking of poison set (dont have the spina to waste yet though) also with ps unlocked ..u can deal decent dmg since it force backstab to double dmg pair that with poison and res and ull be able to farm bosses higher than ur lvl (albeit slower) The set is relatively quite cheap you should give it a try farming for it if you can't afford one (the stuff aren't easily available to find anyways) since most of the stuff comes from ep1 bosses. i meant the Als (vatendeth and and stuff ..gear wise i can steal alches ..its the Al i have prob with xD) eva is not enough for ep5+ (i have 1.3k eva now but its crap on higher lvl bosss that spams magic xD)
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Post by suzaku on Apr 27, 2020 19:54:11 GMT
The set is relatively quite cheap you should give it a try farming for it if you can't afford one (the stuff aren't easily available to find anyways) since most of the stuff comes from ep1 bosses. i meant the Als (vatendeth and and stuff ..gear wise i can steal alches ..its the Al i have prob with xD) eva is not enough for ep5+ (i have 1.3k eva now but its crap on higher lvl bosss that spams magic xD) So I really do need more evasion.... Welp rip more spina then since I would need to revise my al. The extra magic evasion from rogue knife and thief garb is nice tbh, but I don't know if its enough. Hard to believe the class known for its evasion and magic evasion still requires more evasion....
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♪Sumire
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Summoner new skills pls *-*
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Post by ♪Sumire on Apr 28, 2020 8:00:52 GMT
i meant the Als (vatendeth and and stuff ..gear wise i can steal alches ..its the Al i have prob with xD) eva is not enough for ep5+ (i have 1.3k eva now but its crap on higher lvl bosss that spams magic xD) So I really do need more evasion.... Welp rip more spina then since I would need to revise my al. The extra magic evasion from rogue knife and thief garb is nice tbh, but I don't know if its enough. Hard to believe the class known for its evasion and magic evasion still requires more evasion.... after rebalance ..sins magic evasion was completely remove (we only got eva now ..thats why magic attacks super problematic)
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Ravitox
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Editing the assassin gear sets...
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Post by Ravitox on Apr 29, 2020 1:15:47 GMT
i meant the Als (vatendeth and and stuff ..gear wise i can steal alches ..its the Al i have prob with xD) eva is not enough for ep5+ (i have 1.3k eva now but its crap on higher lvl bosss that spams magic xD) So I really do need more evasion.... Welp rip more spina then since I would need to revise my al. The extra magic evasion from rogue knife and thief garb is nice tbh, but I don't know if its enough. Hard to believe the class known for its evasion and magic evasion still requires more evasion.... So, as someone who has relied on maximum evasion through gear and al xtals before the rebalance, it's honestly really hard to beat a sustained boss fight using just evasion these days. Our passive to evade magic has been nerfed really badly, so even if we manage to evade half of the attacks, that's not good enough. What does work is changing a good number of evasive gears to resistance/survival gears. For example, instead of 2 Green 6 Yellow lines in apo, you can have 2 Red 6 Yellow. And yes, AL should be revised greatly, but not to get more evasion. You might want to switch a shelk for a vatendeth, and wear armor that has almost the highest damage, but also resistances. For example, Ultimi Vs Ira Vs BOO is a question many have asked about assassin armors. Personally, in this age, BOO does almost the damage of the other two, but has resistances. Ultimi has evasion, and Ira sucks at survival either way. Therefore, BOO is the best armor for sustained damage that lasts more than a few seconds. Hopefully you can still recover and find a good build regardless of your evasion! Good luck! Edit: Typos
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Post by suzaku on May 1, 2020 21:40:26 GMT
Got a new phone so testing shall proceed as planned. Currently at lvl 256 so after a few mq I can test out Venom fist damage as for venom atk my poison damage is 12k with current equips and build (300int, 150vit, 220 dex, and 230crit)
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Post by suzaku on May 3, 2020 20:42:20 GMT
At lvl 261 with 300 int, 175 vit, 220 dex, and 220 crit with current gears I can deal 235k poison damage (after 4th up of thief garb is released it would add another 100k) and can achieve this quite quickly since venom fist is spammable. As for venom fist damage itself deals around 35k damage. I can't solo 3I with this build and equips therefore I don't see the usability of this build will get any better in the future (dex didn't do much for this build as I hoped) so my next plans will probably reset to special throw sin (vit int agi crit). I will probably try to use mirror throw sre or luke raider rather than rogue knife though further testing must be done to know which can deal more venom fist damage, I'll also change my add to sieger plate for more survivability and the extra stats is also nice for spec throw. I want to at least deal 300k poison damage when 4th up of thief garb is released (if only rogue knife is a special throw this build would've been perfect oh well RIP finance).
Btw I'm selling/trading my kagekiri@max +9 sauro II and crit lvl5 abi on arm for spina/special throw sin stuff. Anyone interested can message me UwU
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Post by suzaku on May 4, 2020 8:40:00 GMT
At lvl 261 with 300 int, 175 vit, 220 dex, and 220 crit with current gears I can deal 235k poison damage (after 4th up of thief garb is released it would add another 100k) and can achieve this quite quickly since venom fist is spammable. As for venom fist damage itself deals around 35k damage. I can't solo 3I with this build and equips therefore I don't see the usability of this build will get any better in the future (dex didn't do much for this build as I hoped) so my next plans will probably reset to special throw sin (vit int agi crit). I will probably try to use mirror throw sre or luke raider rather than rogue knife though further testing must be done to know which can deal more venom fist damage, I'll also change my add to sieger plate for more survivability and the extra stats is also nice for spec throw. I want to at least deal 300k poison damage when 4th up of thief garb is released (if only rogue knife is a special throw this build would've been perfect oh well RIP finance). Btw I'm selling/trading my kagekiri@max +9 sauro II and crit lvl5 abi on arm for spina/special throw sin stuff. Anyone interested can message me UwU Stefly book at store can only be bought once each account so I'm sticking with this build for now. I will start focusing on my vit more now for survivability and gear my assassin with more resist and rate cut stuff later for now I just tried doing yarde and I found out that in a pt I can poison a yarde and build up its damage with venom fist then change target and repeat the process so I can let my poison do its job after setting it up
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Post by :\ on May 4, 2020 10:10:45 GMT
At lvl 261 with 300 int, 175 vit, 220 dex, and 220 crit with current gears I can deal 235k poison damage (after 4th up of thief garb is released it would add another 100k) and can achieve this quite quickly since venom fist is spammable. As for venom fist damage itself deals around 35k damage. I can't solo 3I with this build and equips therefore I don't see the usability of this build will get any better in the future (dex didn't do much for this build as I hoped) so my next plans will probably reset to special throw sin (vit int agi crit). I will probably try to use mirror throw sre or luke raider rather than rogue knife though further testing must be done to know which can deal more venom fist damage, I'll also change my add to sieger plate for more survivability and the extra stats is also nice for spec throw. I want to at least deal 300k poison damage when 4th up of thief garb is released (if only rogue knife is a special throw this build would've been perfect oh well RIP finance). Btw I'm selling/trading my kagekiri@max +9 sauro II and crit lvl5 abi on arm for spina/special throw sin stuff. Anyone interested can message me UwU Stefly book at store can only be bought once each account so I'm sticking with this build for now. I will start focusing on my vit more now for survivability and gear my assassin with more resist and rate cut stuff later for now I just tried doing yarde and I found out that in a pt I can poison a yarde and build up its damage with venom fist then change target and repeat the process so I can let my poison do its job after setting it up didnt know its one stefly per acc and yea thats the most efficient way to grind especially if you can handle 3-5 mobs at a time.
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Post by suzaku on May 5, 2020 14:18:01 GMT
Stefly book at store can only be bought once each account so I'm sticking with this build for now. I will start focusing on my vit more now for survivability and gear my assassin with more resist and rate cut stuff later for now I just tried doing yarde and I found out that in a pt I can poison a yarde and build up its damage with venom fist then change target and repeat the process so I can let my poison do its job after setting it up didnt know its one stefly per acc and yea thats the most efficient way to grind especially if you can handle 3-5 mobs at a time. What I'm referring to is the stefly pack apparently I need to buy stefly for 800 coins now
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Post by senoragi on Jul 23, 2020 3:42:47 GMT
I’ve been lurking on this thread but I wanted to throw my 2 cents in... I’m not an assassin expert, but it seems interesting. If VF works like almost every other ailment skill and ticks poison damage each time the skill is used, that would be the best possibility. If so poison damage becomes kind of like crit damage pre-rebalance. So like pre-rebalance you need to balance atk and poison for maximum effectiveness, however atk isn’t as crucial. 2 Seeles on 1s gears should be enough compared to the 150% poison (150% is 250k VF and 750k venom dance, add two seeles is 280k VF and 840k venom dance). That leaves you freedom for some other crystas. This is major because #1 it allows you to use really good crystas like Iniliba, #2 all the skills have a damage multiplicative value so you would be improving your damage overall (according to the sticky, VF does x3 auto attack damage and VD does x7.5. That would the above values 355k VF and over 1 million VD with 25k normal attack damage) and #3 you can retain some of the effectiveness of backstab a regular sin If you wanted to balance eva as well, I believe that’s possible as well. Evasion works best with low to medium investment into res as well (one shot is one shot whether you’ve dodged 40 hits or none). I’m not sure how much magic eva assassins still have but with rogue knife, thief garb and max green line boost with all green lines that’s 32% magic eva. Shelk would boost it to 37% which should be enough, if not leviam and cerbera would bring you to 47%. I’m not sure absolute evasion would be as useful because your base eva is majorly high from skills alone and you also have a minimum of 20% evasion boost. If I was looking to do this I’d probably do: Rogue knife seele Thief garb Iniliba Monty () Douin talisman or Base atk spec like RoR () I’d put one seele on either my add or spec, And either ideaus or nigdu on the other. Shelk Vatendeth Magonza () () Just a quick little set, I’m not sure how it’d do, just my two cents. Hi, im late but... venom dance poison part formula is "Venom fist poison damage x3" so if u dealt for example 400k poison (100k via venom fist and 300k via equips) only 100k will add to venom dance damage. Its capped at 300k instead dealt full 1.2m poison part. However, ignore barriers :v sorry bad eng. Cya.
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Post by Owe on Jul 23, 2020 5:55:17 GMT
Hi, im late but... venom dance poison part formula is "Venom fist poison damage x3" so if u dealt for example 400k poison (100k via venom fist and 300k via equips) only 100k will add to venom dance damage. Its capped at 300k instead dealt full 1.2m poison part. However, ignore barriers :v sorry bad eng. Cya. yikes that’s pretty bad lol. Booooooo, well I need to re-evaluate my build I guess! Thanks for the info!
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Post by senoragi on Jul 23, 2020 15:22:30 GMT
Hi, im late but... venom dance poison part formula is "Venom fist poison damage x3" so if u dealt for example 400k poison (100k via venom fist and 300k via equips) only 100k will add to venom dance damage. Its capped at 300k instead dealt full 1.2m poison part. However, ignore barriers :v sorry bad eng. Cya. yikes that’s pretty bad lol. Booooooo, well I need to re-evaluate my build I guess! Thanks for the info! honestly, devs should make a special throw with stats like "absolute & magic eva + 10%, melee and magic eva + 10%, Venom fist skill level +1." cuz for a true poison assassin crt is a bit useless, you keep dealt poison dmg part even with 0 crt. you need dex to increase poison base dmg and poison time (via phantom step) ", vit to tank, int / str to stun every 10sec (5x venom fist and phantom) etc etc ... special throw is better to make poison weapon :/ if that venom Fist lv 2 gives 200k base poison then the venom dance would give 600k dmg and our poison would easily be 600-800k
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Post by Owe on Jul 23, 2020 19:36:44 GMT
yikes that’s pretty bad lol. Booooooo, well I need to re-evaluate my build I guess! Thanks for the info! honestly, devs should make a special throw with stats like "absolute & magic eva + 10%, melee and magic eva + 10%, Venom fist skill level +1." cuz for a true poison assassin crt is a bit useless, you keep dealt poison dmg part even with 0 crt. you need dex to increase poison base dmg and poison time (via phantom step) ", vit to tank, int / str to stun every 10sec (5x venom fist and phantom) etc etc ... special throw is better to make poison weapon :/ if that venom Fist lv 2 gives 200k base poison then the venom dance would give 600k dmg and our poison would easily be 600-800k Personally I saw the poison dmg +% as a way to cheese extra dmg over a regular build, so I do believe that normal throw is the best way to play a poison assassin. I ran a scenario, and I’m not sure if it’s 100% representative of what would actually happen but theoretically speaking in the same time period, we have these three options of skill usage: 6 BS 3 PS->BS 2 VF->PS->BS And with these assumptions: All three options you deal 35k normal atk critical dmg (not sure what number to plug in here) You have 130% poison dmg+% (achievable through thief garb last up+magonza al) You’ve reached max poison tick by the time you do your combos For soloing: The 6 BS will do theoretically 2 DBS so: 35k x 4 x 6 + 35k x 2 x 12 which equals 1.68m The VF->PS->BS combo on the other hand will do: ((35k x 3 + 230k) + 230k + (35k x 18)) x 2 which equals 2.39m You would have to increase your normal critical atk dmg to 50k to get the same dmg out of 6 BS For PTing we’re going to assume one has poison dmg+% and one doesn’t. The one without poison % would have an insignificant amount of poison dmg when PS is used so your dmg would be: 35k x 18 x 3 which equals 1.89m (still quite a bit less than the poison combo above) In comparison to adding poison dmg%, PS does 230k per use adding over 650k dmg in the same time frame. When I say re-evaluate, I mean I personally decided to use Rogue knife and not elemental throws, which I think is likely incorrect now. The benefit of extra poison dmg isn’t as great without VD being boosted imo and the extra duration probably doesn’t matter much. But I will test it to be sure! Although I definitely wouldn’t mind the devs increasing VF cap at all
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Post by senoragi on Jul 24, 2020 0:55:16 GMT
honestly, devs should make a special throw with stats like "absolute & magic eva + 10%, melee and magic eva + 10%, Venom fist skill level +1." cuz for a true poison assassin crt is a bit useless, you keep dealt poison dmg part even with 0 crt. you need dex to increase poison base dmg and poison time (via phantom step) ", vit to tank, int / str to stun every 10sec (5x venom fist and phantom) etc etc ... special throw is better to make poison weapon :/ if that venom Fist lv 2 gives 200k base poison then the venom dance would give 600k dmg and our poison would easily be 600-800k Personally I saw the poison dmg +% as a way to cheese extra dmg over a regular build, so I do believe that normal throw is the best way to play a poison assassin. I ran a scenario, and I’m not sure if it’s 100% representative of what would actually happen but theoretically speaking in the same time period, we have these three options of skill usage: 6 BS 3 PS->BS 2 VF->PS->BS And with these assumptions: All three options you deal 35k normal atk critical dmg (not sure what number to plug in here) You have 130% poison dmg+% (achievable through thief garb last up+magonza al) You’ve reached max poison tick by the time you do your combos For soloing: The 6 BS will do theoretically 2 DBS so: 35k x 4 x 6 + 35k x 2 x 12 which equals 1.68m The VF->PS->BS combo on the other hand will do: ((35k x 3 + 230k) + 230k + (35k x 18)) x 2 which equals 2.39m You would have to increase your normal critical atk dmg to 50k to get the same dmg out of 6 BS For PTing we’re going to assume one has poison dmg+% and one doesn’t. The one without poison % would have an insignificant amount of poison dmg when PS is used so your dmg would be: 35k x 18 x 3 which equals 1.89m (still quite a bit less than the poison combo above) In comparison to adding poison dmg%, PS does 230k per use adding over 650k dmg in the same time frame. When I say re-evaluate, I mean I personally decided to use Rogue knife and not elemental throws, which I think is likely incorrect now. The benefit of extra poison dmg isn’t as great without VD being boosted imo and the extra duration probably doesn’t matter much. But I will test it to be sure! Although I definitely wouldn’t mind the devs increasing VF cap at all if devs increase geo breaker skill level +1, why not? ;-; xD lets wait
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Post by konbanwa on Aug 14, 2020 10:10:32 GMT
was this scrapped? thief garb new up is out, maybe you guys want to play with it.
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