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Post by doubled on Mar 7, 2020 19:05:30 GMT
So i currently have capped 3 different classed Melee DOC ninja who i use mostly for 1 shot farming low lv boss Auto monk who i use to afk grind/solo farm bosses my ninja cant kill Bishop for aoe and support class
and i want to make one more char who is a full glass cannon dps who i want to use to join super PIE farm hard bosses
which class would u recommend. im thinking about between enchanter assasin or maybe geo monk right now but would love to listen to some recommendations
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Post by ≧▽≦Pipopapo on Mar 9, 2020 6:47:01 GMT
Enchanter
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Mar 9, 2020 6:55:38 GMT
I would go for Assassin, it is the second highest DPS class (Only after Enchanter). But for me is the best One Shoter of all the game, plus it does not need so many combos and rituals like Enchanter for dealing huge damage.
Two downsides of Assassins: -Elemental sets would optimize your damage. -You need to be higher lever than your target because Sicarius has much higher K.O. rate.
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Post by Loftyz47 on Mar 9, 2020 10:32:30 GMT
if u want to do s450, pick Sniper or Sin. Guaranteed pt invite. these are just my opinions as a tank;
sniper is the highest dps potential class, but requires some crazy gear & yellow candy bag sin is low hate job, and 1 button dps rotation. impossible to screw it up. ench is annoying to pt with, cause they are all bastards who have no hate rise-%. monk is.. low dps. even lower if nobody can freeze the boss. even with an alch tank, freezing cannot be their priority (priority is 0 cast-time skills to build hate, a few killer stick spams for bigger hate, applying rain for hate-generating ticks, and then freezing). there are people who think monk is high dps. but those ppl are wrong.
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Post by Aza on Mar 9, 2020 12:04:39 GMT
Damage-wise imo: 1st Enchanter 2nd Geo monk (with freeze/stun) 3rd Magic Ninja 4th Assasin 5th Auto Monk (4 dmg autoskill)/Auto Sniper
Enchanter: complicated, huge hate rise with okay defense. Geo Monk: need freeze/stun constantly. Magic Nin: depend on clones for survival. Hates ailment. MP drain if ur the main target. Assasin: used to have thin paper hp but some ppl now have unexpected high hp. Auto Monk: the 4 dmg autoskill is risky build, but high dmg especially if built to proc shellbreak often. Current meta now still use 3 dmg auto with 1 hp absorb which has mid-low dps. Sniper: if undisturbed by enemy atk, sniper is a stable high dps.
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Post by doubled on Mar 9, 2020 12:45:22 GMT
Hi, thanks for all of your answers. i dunno how to tag here so ill just ask further here like this kurama About elementals weapon, will the 10% element do just fine for assasin. or you REALLY NEED sauros in each of them Loftyz47 about enchanter, is their hate rise thing still a problem even with a servant? and how do they perform just dps wise compared to sin and sniper in 450? also Aza mentioned magic ninja , do u have ur opinion in them being high dps? @aza based on ur desc, is there any reason to not pick enchanter? since it will get not complicated the more u play it
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Post by ♪Sumire on Mar 9, 2020 13:21:46 GMT
m.nin vs s400+ is kinda meh for me (sauro change element and as u may have known same element magic reduce alot of dmg ..also the cast time and randomness of skills)
enchanter is really squishy for s400+ if they go full dmg and their hate rise is abnormal if no pally or servant to control hate
snipers hate rise is also high but the dps depends on the proc rate of double attack and arrow break
dmg and -hate rise for dps class is hard to mix
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Post by Aza on Mar 9, 2020 13:27:45 GMT
@aza based on ur desc, is there any reason to not pick enchanter? since it will get not complicated the more u play it You will get used to it after some time yes. The gameplay is complex not only because ppl aren't used to it but also because we often switch phrase, that is if you want to maximize either its dmg/def. Enchanter is autoskill king after all, their performance depends on how well u use ur equipments autoskill x) At least 3 phrase is needed, mpc kutune and dmg. I'm now using 6 lol. You may not be satisfied at some point in mid-game, especially when u use dajarte u will die often early on and on pt ironically ur forced to be the tank as ur dmg gets higher u will get higher aggro. Ench often steals aggro from bishop spamming bright heal, paladin spamming guardian and sniper. We often mess up the pt hate management that even servy having hard time to fix it. But the dmg tho..ench is one man army especially on long boss that don't debuff often. Don't pick ench if ur impatient on the result, I guess. Edit: and we often lose aggro while buffing in-between so yea it complicate things even more.
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Post by Loftyz47 on Mar 9, 2020 13:41:14 GMT
Loftyz47 about enchanter, is their hate rise thing still a problem even with a servant? and how do they perform just dps wise compared to sin and sniper in 450? also Aza mentioned magic ninja , do u have ur opinion in them being high dps? 1) with pally as tank, they wouldn't need a servant, but a very exceptional ench can still out-aggro a pally. some hate rise-% will fix that. with mins & alch tank, servant is needed. but the tank needs hate rise+100%, and the ench needs at least hate rise-50%. (alch tank for s450 is an abomination that shouldn't exist, & i'm the only alch who can do it) 2) in my opinion, sniper > ench = sin as a glass cannon build, it's medium-hate (they have a skill that reduces their own hate, right?) & the best dps (in part, due to having 0 downtime, and being a broken class at end-game). & a mandatory pick for any s450 pt, because they pt buff movespeed with fairy wind, and vaccinate pt against freeze (which would also reduce movespeed). Even running 2 snipers is fine, although in that case, only 1 of them can get the "attack while moving" benefit of fairy wind. sin is a low hate job (easier for the servant, who can focus on soothing the other dps), simple to play so they shouldn't screw up, & they have less downtime than ench (e.g. doesn't have to rebuff, can shadowstep instead of running to bosses position). but ench just deals more dmg. I think with every consideration taken, they are even; but I don't know. I quite like sniper+ench, though. ench can dizzy the boss, which makes sniper do more dmg. It's possible that fairy wind reduces the autoskill+% of all pt members, which would be bad for ench, but I don't actually know if it does that. Aza in our pt, did ur ench generally deal more or less dps than desu~god's sin in this vid? 3) never partied with magic nin.
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Post by Aza on Mar 9, 2020 13:48:25 GMT
Loftyz47 Well S450 has lots of debuff and mechanic that makes our complexity even burden us more. I won't argue that. But on Oritius/Obligaus/Almas raid I don't think I will lose xD
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Post by Loftyz47 on Mar 9, 2020 13:54:27 GMT
yea, but sniper with Obligaus AI is godly. so would an auto ench; i guess.
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Post by Aza on Mar 9, 2020 14:18:35 GMT
So would auto monk
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Post by godofafro on Mar 9, 2020 23:31:50 GMT
for auto monks, u400 is the first boss I see that they're wanted - normally I never seen pts inviting them at all, unless they don't have other options.
And it's a fair trade off too when comparing Monks to Enchanters - Monks are able to survive better in bosses, Enchanters are able to deal higher insane dps during boss runs. Both have their advantages.
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Post by doubled on Mar 10, 2020 2:43:56 GMT
Loftyz47A bit unrelatet abt the topic Since i think u plays melee doc ninja What do u think abt the job's dps and what does the job is good at in this meta ? Or theyre just a worse version of assasins now
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Post by Loftyz47 on Mar 10, 2020 5:46:36 GMT
mediocre.
yin off, yin on, DoC, repeat (1.4m every 3sec against MG, less against bosses with higher DEF)
good for 1hitting WoL & a few other bosses
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