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Post by Le Cheese~ on Jan 24, 2019 4:35:26 GMT
greetings! Just wanted to ask about a build i had in mind, a spam build without dex (why not add dex?) I checked out the newest skills of necros in the jp version and most of the damage related skills can easily be spammed mainly because they dont require a casting time. So i was wondering if are there any other skills of necro other than dark javelin that requires dex? If ever, i plan on making a max int vit agi build for my future necro then add 100 points to both blue and green lines. Why agi? Well since the latest heavy damaging skills require a necro to sacrifice the wraiths, one would be left wide open for being directly targeted by the mob/boss (especially during solo) Just wanted to utilize the stat points well and add tons of evasion for more survivability. So is this build doable? or does spamming type necro really need dex?
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Jan 24, 2019 4:52:09 GMT
Well, from 140+ skills that have Cast Time.
-Ice Spear 4
-Drain 2
-Dark Javelin
-Death Cry
-Oversoul
*Death Cry and Oversoul have Cast Time (You can notice when you get paralysis), but they are like Magic Blade from Enchanter, with certain ammount of Dex they become fast when you use them, like physycal skills, but they need Dex; plus Dex would give you more time of Spell Boost.
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Post by Undyne on Jan 24, 2019 17:34:13 GMT
It could work, but you're going to need a serious amount of Eva to make it reliable,at least 256 Agi.
As Kurama said, Deathcry does have a cast time,and Corpse Burst does as well . I'm unsure of how long it is, but it's noticeable when paralysed.
Another issue would be stat points and actually making it to 220+. Dex affects Wraith dmg significantly, and slow cast ice spear is just unbearable lol... Javelin will also be painful with no Dex.
If you do go through with this I'd like to hear the results. If it is worth doing, might be an interesting addition to the guide.
Edit:about the sacrificing, a good resist set is all you need really xD. That or Para+good timing.
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Post by Le Cheese~ on Jan 24, 2019 23:40:03 GMT
It could work, but you're going to need a serious amount of Eva to make it reliable,at least 256 Agi. As Kurama said, Deathcry does have a cast time,and Corpse Burst does as well . I'm unsure of how long it is, but it's noticeable when paralysed. Another issue would be stat points and actually making it to 220+. Dex affects Wraith dmg significantly, and slow cast ice spear is just unbearable lol... Javelin will also be painful with no Dex. If you do go through with this I'd like to hear the results. If it is worth doing, might be an interesting addition to the guide. Edit:about the sacrificing, a good resist set is all you need really xD. That or Para+good timing. Thank you for both of your helpful replies! I didnt know that oversoul and deathcry had a casting time lmao but i would pretty much just use full on fluency abis on each of my equipment and also random cast time- gear/xtals (if i deem the fluency abis to not be enough to compensate for the lack of dex). The only actual issue that i was trying to address was the overall buff time of spell boost, but i just tested it out earlier and having 256 dex on my ench only gives me 30 sec, then on my mins which has no dex at all gives 20 sec buff, so it doesn't really bother me that much anymore. I also intend on still maxing agi for efficient evasion increase. Oh and i dont really intend on using javelin nor ice spear since i would more often use the 220-240 skills for dps. And when it comes to lvling, i would most likely just boost and cap my necro by using my other mains. But i also just searched it up that 2 dex adds 1 matk, so having at least around 400 dex would give a base of 200 matk which would of course then be doubled due to matk+ gears/xtals/ai. SO my main dilemma rn is if whether or not i want more evasion or that matk boost from dex. |
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Post by NightBreeze on Jan 25, 2019 9:01:44 GMT
I recently saw a video on YouTube from maximo24. His Necro uses this build, max INT VIT AGI and the rest 200-something in DEX. 58k HP, 1100 EVA, no noticeable delay issues. Seems like a viable build. Link to video: youtu.be/Z-gQhWMRApk |
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Post by Le Cheese~ on Jan 25, 2019 20:38:05 GMT
Oh yey thank you for sending the link! I'm more stoked in making my necro now!
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Post by Le Cheese~ on Apr 14, 2019 22:30:34 GMT
Okay so i just thought of a kinda weird idea but i think it would really work well! So my current necro is 375 and has max int & vit, 200 dex, 100 stats on both gr and bl, and some leftover 175 unused stat points (add 60+ more when i finally finish my mq :3). This build is corpse spam. Anyway, i didnt add anymore points to dex cuz the matk boost wasnt worth it for me. So here's my idea, since the auto xtal "Ur" is gonna come out soon enough, i was thinking of making my necro have an auto set! Why auto set? Well the xtal itself already gives overall+15% dmg and also a nice magic attack chance by attack, so combine that with bone knight transformation(which pretty much gives op tanky buff without actually using any resist stuff), its gonna be a pretty op tank with decent dps! And yes, i know that ench has a huge increase in spellburst and autoskill which would mean a necro auto dark set wouldn't do as much dmg compared to an ench, but i think itll be efficient! And i also know that Bone knight corpse only does around 350k, spam but it ends in 7-8 continuous spams since necromance charges eventually ran out. And thats when auto set comes in (Or in my situation, ill just use auto set more often than my actual dps spam) ! Plus if you also consider the dark magic+50% boost you get when your in phantom mode, surely it makes up for the high boost of overall dmg that ench does in autos (of course you would either need a tank here or just simply use your bone knight to tank for you). As for the aspd, im gonna use high cycle and dual blow! Oh and im also looking for advice about where im gonna put the rest of my stats on. If anyone is wondering, my planned dps sets will be written below~
Corpse spam~
Dark book4+9 w/sauro2
Struggler w/Fred
Dark helm w/Dunk2/Dunk2(mujie when its released)
Specias blessed stone w/Agira/Agira
Auto dark set~
Dark book4+9/Universe2+9 w/Ur
Struggler w/Ur
Dark helm w/Ur/Dunk2(mujie when its released)
Specia's blessed stone w/Ur/Agira
Ps. This auto set will have numerous auto abis. Also, im still thinking of what type of apos colors ill be using since i still only have 1 apos page. I could probably eventually get a 2nd page and just make that focus on autoskill.
Any thoughts?
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Post by Undyne on Apr 15, 2019 0:50:16 GMT
Not gonna quote cuz that's a huge text wall xD.
I have thought of this, but imo the only way itd be viable is Ur's Proc rate. If you can only proc one auto per melee itd be nearly pointless to melee at all.
Also may be Dark Magic% overload as there is such a thing as too much. Would have to find the balance of Matk% and Dark magic.
Also, Look into the throw Kiyoshi Shinyo. Matk10%, Dark Magic20%. Add Throw Assist additional 15% Matk and -.5 sec skill delay. More dmg than Dark Book with more range
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Post by Le Cheese~ on Apr 15, 2019 3:10:12 GMT
Not gonna quote cuz that's a huge text wall xD. I have thought of this, but imo the only way itd be viable is Ur's Proc rate. If you can only proc one auto per melee itd be nearly pointless to melee at all. Also may be Dark Magic% overload as there is such a thing as too much. Would have to find the balance of Matk% and Dark magic. Also, Look into the throw Kiyoshi Shinyo. Matk10%, Dark Magic20%. Add Throw Assist additional 15% Matk and -.5 sec skill delay. More dmg than Dark Book with more range Yeah the only downside to this is the projection rate of Ur. I hope it doesnt suck like dajarte's proc rate lol. Ill check up on that osm throw, seems op :3 Oh and do you have any advice as to where i should spend my extra 175+ stat points on? And i also have a question as to how pro necros maintain the hate whilst in boss battles? Like When im in battle, i use corpse>Death cry> Then summon wraith (but my hate bar reduces a lot from summoning both skeleton and bone knight, and even if i use phantom instead for no reduced hate, the 100% consumption of soul energy is too much that it cant be used efficiently to constantly do this 3 combo. Any tips on how to maintain the hate whilst also being able to continuously do the "corpse>cry>summon wraith" combo? |
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Post by NightBreeze on Apr 15, 2019 10:47:06 GMT
Le Cheese~ to be able to maintain your knight form (as little time spent in human form as possible), you have to build up sacrifice during the transformation. That means including a death cry between your corpse bursts, which means you won't really run out of necromance, so not much time for auto attacking.
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Post by Undyne on Apr 15, 2019 15:53:51 GMT
Not gonna quote cuz that's a huge text wall xD. I have thought of this, but imo the only way itd be viable is Ur's Proc rate. If you can only proc one auto per melee itd be nearly pointless to melee at all. Also may be Dark Magic% overload as there is such a thing as too much. Would have to find the balance of Matk% and Dark magic. Also, Look into the throw Kiyoshi Shinyo. Matk10%, Dark Magic20%. Add Throw Assist additional 15% Matk and -.5 sec skill delay. More dmg than Dark Book with more range Yeah the only downside to this is the projection rate of Ur. I hope it doesnt suck like dajarte's proc rate lol. Ill check up on that osm throw, seems op :3 Oh and do you have any advice as to where i should spend my extra 175+ stat points on? And i also have a question as to how pro necros maintain the hate whilst in boss battles? Like When im in battle, i use corpse>Death cry> Then summon wraith (but my hate bar reduces a lot from summoning both skeleton and bone knight, and even if i use phantom instead for no reduced hate, the 100% consumption of soul energy is too much that it cant be used efficiently to constantly do this 3 combo. Any tips on how to maintain the hate whilst also being able to continuously do the "corpse>cry>summon wraith" combo? Normally to maintain hate, I either spam provoke (pet skill/skill Crysta) while using some+ hate equips, or use Corpse Burst twice between summoning Skelly. So something like this Corpse×2>Skelly>Deathcry>Repeat As for the spare stats, if you're going to melee put them into Agi. If not, add them to Dex or Str, I'd personally recommend Dex |
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Post by Le Cheese~ on Apr 16, 2019 6:40:13 GMT
I just tried out hitting a bunch of high lvl mobs earlier with dual blow. And lemme tell you that almost all my attacks kept on missing rofl. Anyway i only have 200 dex atm. Maybe with enough dex i can actually hit em lol.
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Post by Undyne on Apr 16, 2019 14:52:52 GMT
I just tried out hitting a bunch of high lvl mobs earlier with dual blow. And lemme tell you that almost all my attacks kept on missing rofl. Anyway i only have 200 dex atm. Maybe with enough dex i can actually hit em lol. There's 2 ways to fix that really. A) Switch Dex completely for Crt B) Use Tech Abis and possibly purple apos lines I'd probably go with the second option, Tech abis are far from difficult to get |
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