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Post by wonderer on Dec 20, 2018 17:45:03 GMT
Is it possible for sniper to 1shot 3i? all self buffs only, excluding ignition.
How to ensure that the arrow rain skill always gets max hits on mobs?
Is CRT required as main stats for arrow rain and crossfire?
Which sniper skill would do the highest damage using hide attack passive skill?
Is CRT stats required for hide attack?
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Post by sstraycat on Dec 31, 2018 2:15:50 GMT
Is it possible for sniper to 1shot 3i? all self buffs only, excluding ignition.
>> Yes its possible, but it's inefficient and I wouldn't rely on that method. It's because it involves using AR-CF first on 3 mobs and then using the last (one or 2) CF for that 1-shot. If you do this the mobs would have been wiped out and you have to WAIT for the next batch to respawn.
How to ensure that the arrow rain skill always gets max hits on mobs?
>>I get the best results while using it at a full distance away from the target.
Is CRT required as main stats for arrow rain and crossfire?
>>CRT is required for crossfire. Arrow rain does not crit by itself as it needs Hide Attack. I read somewhere arrow rain needs ATK and Melee for best damage.
Which sniper skill would do the highest damage using hide attack passive skill?
>>Crossfire
Is CRT stats required for hide attack?
>>I don't think so but I'll test. As far as I know the Hide attack passive only ensures that attacks crit for every first hit.
Edit 2019/1/2:
Tested with a Lv19 alt using Dim Sword. I reset all stats in Bailune and tested on Chako.
With Hide attack, damage of Vampire Blow is 968. When i entrust the pet with Hide to the hotel, damage became 617.
Later I picked up the pet with Hide and then put 64 stats to CRT. Vampire Blow damage became 1131.
All those damages were displayed in white font.
Conclusion: Hide Attack still works even without CRT, but the damage dealt will be much lower than when you have CRT.
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Post by wonderer on Jan 1, 2019 20:42:40 GMT
It seems that hide attack gives critical rate +100% to all the physical atk skills in game.
Either hide attack itself gives double damage up for some skills (as per some sources) or the damage increase actually happens because of CRT stats critical damage increase, as the skill description itself doesn't say anything about double damage increase.
Arrow rain is not affected by crt rate or crt dmg normally, but hide attack is able to give arrow rain crt rate+100% and then the skill dmg increases because of crt dmg from CRT stats.
Crossfire is affected by crt dmg but not crt rate normally, so hide attack gives crossfire +100% crt rate and gives it crt dmg increase again, even though it's already affected by crt dmg.
The crt dmg increase with hide attack is not applied on skills which are normally affected by crt rate.
Like Area Rain skill is normally affected by crt dmg and crt rate, so hide gives it +100% crt rate only.
Or Dance of Clone skill of ninja is normally affected by crt dmg and crt rate, so hide attack gives it +100% crt rate.
When the conditions such as, mob hp should be at 95% or above and hate 0 are met then the hide attack activates.
So when the proper conditions are fulfilled, hide attack will always give "only" +100% crt rate to all the physical skills which are normally affected by crt dmg and crt rate both.
And again when the proper conditions are met, then hide attack will always increase dmg of physical skills which are not affected by crt rate normally.
Even if the skill is affected by crt dmg, hide attack will yet increase it's dmg, at the condition that skill is not affected by crt rate.
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Post by NightBreeze on Jan 1, 2019 22:15:49 GMT
wonderer from what I see, you're trying to understand why hide attack affects crossfire? It's quite a well-known known fact for many years already that hide attack affects just the crt rate, so idk why you were doubting that. I never tested crossfire with no crt, but if it crits even with no crt, that means the skill can only be critical so this would make it similar to a normal skill which can't crit, except it shows as critical in the battle log. So it would be like you said, that it's affected by critical dmg but not crt rate. But, generally, it does seem a bit odd for crossfire to be affected by hide attack.
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Post by sstraycat on Jan 2, 2019 0:37:19 GMT
Finished the test and put the results together with my first reply. I used Vampire blow because it is a skill that can use Hide Attack. As it appears, Hide Attack still works even without CRT, but the damage dealt will be much lower than when you have CRT.
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Post by wonderer on Jan 2, 2019 3:51:02 GMT
Then it's correct then that hide attack increases dmg of skills using crt dmg from CRT stats.
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Post by NightBreeze on Jan 2, 2019 6:36:38 GMT
Then it's correct then that hide attack increases dmg of skills using crt dmg from CRT stats. It does, but it's not something specific to hide attack. Hide attack just makes the skill crit. Any skill that crits gets an increase in dmg if you add points in CRT. |
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Post by wonderer on Jan 2, 2019 8:11:07 GMT
Then it's correct then that hide attack increases dmg of skills using crt dmg from CRT stats. It does, but it's not something specific to hide attack. Hide attack just makes the skill crit. Any skill that crits gets an increase in dmg if you add points in CRT. Yeah, some sources say about double dmg increase with hide attack, which is definitely wrong. |
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Post by ♪Sumire on Jan 2, 2019 11:52:06 GMT
Just my 2 cents
Hide atk doesn't work on all physical skills i
It doesn't work with BKS tyrant edg, a pallies guardian and oath , a samurais finishing stroke(before any samurai tries to point this out ..I'm listing skills that doesn't say critical DMG on log)
Or a ninjas doc
Hide atk will ensure a 100% crt rate meaning that ur normal DMG will be boosted with a normal crt dmg percentage(the same boost all class with 1 crt gets when their basic atk crits) which is further increased by crt dmg multipliers from crt and other sources
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Post by wonderer on Jan 2, 2019 15:42:46 GMT
The major problem with those skills is hate rise.
Hide attack won't active if hate isn't 0.
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Post by wonderer on Jan 3, 2019 3:46:58 GMT
Just my 2 cents Hide atk doesn't work on all physical skills i It doesn't work with BKS tyrant edg, a pallies guardian and oath , a samurais finishing stroke(before any samurai tries to point this out ..I'm listing skills that doesn't say critical DMG on log) Or a ninjas doc Hide atk will ensure a 100% crt rate meaning that ur normal DMG will be boosted with a normal crt dmg percentage(the same boost all class with 1 crt gets when their basic atk crits) which is further increased by crt dmg multipliers from crt and other sources Hide attack affects DoC, but not in a way you are thinking about it. DoC is a skill that is normally affected by crt dmg and crt rate, so hide attack gives it +100% crt rate only, but no dmg increase. Dmg increase is only for skills which are normally not affected by crt rate. It doesn't matter if the skill does critical dmg or not. Hide attack increases dmg of physical skills only when a skill is not affected by crt rate by itself normally. Like Arrow Rain doesn't have crt rate and gets dmg increase with hide attack, and also that skill is not affected by crt dmg. On the other hand there is Crossfire which is affected by crt dmg and yet it gets dmg increase with hide attack because it's not affected by crt rate by itself. |
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Post by Crysta| on Jan 4, 2019 21:46:29 GMT
I've 1 shot moss golems with crossfire, 2-3x mg in PT with a paladin just saying XD
Guardian steals all the aggro and is one of the top tier skills for "roping" in new spawns, making this possible.
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Post by Undyne on Jan 11, 2019 17:43:46 GMT
Just my 2 cents Hide atk doesn't work on all physical skills i It doesn't work with BKS tyrant edg, a pallies guardian and oath , a samurais finishing stroke(before any samurai tries to point this out ..I'm listing skills that doesn't say critical DMG on log) Or a ninjas doc Hide atk will ensure a 100% crt rate meaning that ur normal DMG will be boosted with a normal crt dmg percentage(the same boost all class with 1 crt gets when their basic atk crits) which is further increased by crt dmg multipliers from crt and other sources Late reply here xD. In my experience, any truly instant cast skill does indeed get boosted by Hide.(which is why most melee skills are effected by it in some way) I at very least know for a fact Guardian can "Crt" with Hide, however It just doesn't say "Critical damage". Still gains a boost to dmg tho. Doesn't work with FS because the skill has cast time, which draws aggro before it actually hits and applies Hide. |
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