New HW skills

ishayel ninja tank? that laughable xD
If you want tank, ask knight branch class or magic blade ench. They can tank agira very well.

Thats your problem, ninja survival isnt very good and they cant attract hate as consistent as bk or pally. I have ninja so I can say ninja survival isnt nowhere near OP as before, especially against newest boss which can do 6x times attack in one hit.

Also, even with myrica, no other class can reach 100k+ max hp except paladin. You clearly had missconseption about good survival skill.

my minstrel have 300k hp, and heals of 190k.... and he solo all bosses very easely, so easely thet i fall asleep doing joshuca...
with right gear, ninja tank very well, our ninja when in tank gear don't do a lot of dmg, but he is very good at tanking, if i give him some mp.
my minstrel is the guild tank, but when some dps class missing, need take my crap hw to do some dps.
like all jobs, they have some trouble with some bosses, and yes they can die, but even my minstrel can die on some bosses like fred, even if you try to move for his cross and when he decide to hit you twice in a row with.

If it is a bug, then we just have to find new ways to deal with it. I think ur answers r a bit biased against ninjas. Specifically saying "items cant solve that problem" gave me the impression that you either have not actively tried to look for ways to deal with it, or u dont have a lot of experience playing as a doc ninja.

A lot of -item delay is not necessary for dealing with mp drain (especially in party), but it is very nice to have. I invested in qu abis and it has been very good to me. Qu hasnt lowered my dps, and monty is covering its negative effects.

As for buff delete bosses, I use desperate move. Yes, I use cloning gear (no, I dont use phrases for cloning), but only if its safe (gotta keep hp up for bosses with atks that go thru clones). Using dangos or thick remagics every now and then wouldnt hurt either, especially with monty increasing its effects. Also, doc ninjas also only use one buff (yin) during buff delete. Makibishi is optional in my pov since rebuffing every 30 sec is tedious.

Still, I agree that hw is better than ninjas in maintaining mp, but it can be dangerous sometimes. I also agree hw has more consistent damage solo since eva can sometimes be (very) unreliable. Losing one clone means losing 1/3 damage, which really hurts overall dps @-@.

About ur newer conversation, I also disagree on ninjas (doc type at least) tanking. It just isnt efficient imo.

With 81% hate rise, provoke skill, 400 dex and a lot of delay - i save near always aggro with minstrel, only loose it when i am stun. And yes, can't tell that i kill fast with my minstrel built, that why i fall asleep a lot with, but joshuca even longer with hw, do 2 zero, die, wait pet revive, do 2 zero, die etc... When assault dont need 10+ bander, in that case i die even without doing zero.


Btw have tested with spellboost, one shoot rate about 75% only and with faw dunk ll. So zero cost 26k mp, and need regen mp by sitting after max mp of healing set (15k)... so don't worth at all. Uber rod too random, all autoskill by def very dangerous for hw, when monster easely spam 18-24k skill.

To end, for ninja tank, only let him hit 2s before. He will not loose aggro before boss die, impe so slow that i near never take aggro, bishop take it if ninja die, or other ninja. And agira run is about 10-15s because how much ninja dps burst. Have only time to do 1 or 2 impe per run lol.

Have tank joshuca for teams hundred of times with my mins, got no trouble. I loose only aggro when stun, but after i take aggro very fast.
And yes, they have tried to make hw magic dmg dealer, but have fail so long.
Most team i have done on joshuca, bishops was dmg dealer -.-
Well hw are one shoot by josh skills, his fixed dmg of 52k and 80k are deadly for hw.
With balance they have remove or lower our defense buffs : mirage, assault , drain and lastely down dmg.
Hw is now an empty shell, a glass canon that don't dps. You have jobs that does is better and that don't require to be resurect twice per mn.
At least there is one thing hw does better than other jobs, be one shot ( and mirage will not protect us anymore from one shoot). Time you are dead, your dps drop , so average dmg of hw very very low.
Btw zero is already a big fail as skill at start. Something that moves randomly a glass canon , even on boss skills or close to boss , is already a fail.
And with new bosses, most of them ignore dmg resistance set. I am a lot one shot with 95% phy n magic resistance by skill of bosses.

They are killing game themselfs. They are unable to remove bots, and giving to a job big heal, enought hp to tank hard hits from monsters like 3i, mg , and strong dps skill with delay removed by bot tools, you got a server full of bots. Cant even exp fine on 3i, with 2 bot bishop 24/24 here. And as bots spam server with requests, they make server very laggy.
Iruna world of bots...

Well..Have u tried agi? Cuz my experience is very different.You should try partying with me sometimes xD.Anw,when stat reset event happen,i dont see increasing vit increase my survivability much too.Maybe with 5000 vit and using auto pot you will survive more but sadly its non-existent.

Edit:and um yeah its hard to farm past fred.I dont use my zero to farm josh and ignatz.And it's okay for me.