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Post by cIn on Jul 15, 2018 4:17:35 GMT
Quick question, how much dex to get -2 seconds? Cause I don't think sin's 20dex=-0.5s applies here right...? Doc sd isn't affected by dex, it's sd is affected by how many clones you have with each clone being +1 sec so to get the minimum.delay you'll need -2 sec with 3 clones since you can't lower sd below 1 sec ?? Does that mean i have to use -sd gears/xtals?
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Post by wonderer on Jul 15, 2018 5:02:19 GMT
Doc sd isn't affected by dex, it's sd is affected by how many clones you have with each clone being +1 sec so to get the minimum.delay you'll need -2 sec with 3 clones since you can't lower sd below 1 sec ?? Does that mean i have to use -sd gears/xtals? Bellow of order up armor + monty beret up add gear gives -2.4 skill delay together. If you have agi build then monty beret is useless so use Cheltil al crysta which gives -1 sec skill delay.
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Post by arslan on Jul 15, 2018 5:04:37 GMT
?? Does that mean i have to use -sd gears/xtals? Bellow of order up armor + monty beret up add gear gives -2.4 skill delay together. If you have agi build then monty beret is useless so use Cheltil al crysta which gives -1 sec skill delay. barb reup
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Post by wonderer on Jul 15, 2018 5:09:42 GMT
Bellow of order up armor + monty beret up add gear gives -2.4 skill delay together. If you have agi build then monty beret is useless so use Cheltil al crysta which gives -1 sec skill delay. barb reup Low atk. If I use agi build then I would use Ogre shield. Lol You can use whatever add gear you like.
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Post by pingrek on Jul 15, 2018 5:47:46 GMT
Low atk. If I use agi build then I would use Ogre shield. Lol You can use whatever add gear you like. Ogre shield while giving more atk it would only be used in a party because of negatives, also I think someone did a few tests and barb reup is actually as good as a Monty beret although the test I think was done on an assassin so not the same but it's still not a bad equip since the one person will need the skill delay anyways it opens up the al xtal spot for another damage xtal which would have been used purely for sd
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Post by wonderer on Jul 15, 2018 6:10:49 GMT
Low atk. If I use agi build then I would use Ogre shield. Lol You can use whatever add gear you like. Ogre shield while giving more atk it would only be used in a party because of negatives, also I think someone did a few tests and barb reup is actually as good as a Monty beret although the test I think was done on an assassin so not the same but it's still not a bad equip since the one person will need the skill delay anyways it opens up the al xtal spot for another damage xtal which would have been used purely for sd Highest atk of al crysta is 6% atk from ouvel, for now. While barbarotita III gives 14% atk. So that's 20% atk. While Ogre shiled gives 24% atk, combined with cheltil al crysta. So that's a difference of 4% atk. At least ogre shield doesn't affect physical evasion, which is what agi is all about.
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Post by arslan on Jul 15, 2018 7:16:17 GMT
Ogre shield while giving more atk it would only be used in a party because of negatives, also I think someone did a few tests and barb reup is actually as good as a Monty beret although the test I think was done on an assassin so not the same but it's still not a bad equip since the one person will need the skill delay anyways it opens up the al xtal spot for another damage xtal which would have been used purely for sd Highest atk of al crysta is 6% atk from ouvel, for now. While barbarotita III gives 14% atk. So that's 20% atk. While Ogre shiled gives 24% atk, combined with cheltil al crysta. So that's a difference of 4% atk. At least ogre shield doesn't affect physical evasion, which is what agi is all about. -2sd is not enough to make 1sd desperate move without dex. so barb reup will still be a good choice
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Post by wonderer on Jul 15, 2018 7:54:20 GMT
Highest atk of al crysta is 6% atk from ouvel, for now. While barbarotita III gives 14% atk. So that's 20% atk. While Ogre shiled gives 24% atk, combined with cheltil al crysta. So that's a difference of 4% atk. At least ogre shield doesn't affect physical evasion, which is what agi is all about. -2sd is not enough to make 1sd desperate move without dex. so barb reup will still be a good choice Are you sure? Unlike bushi no jutsu which requires more skill delay.
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Post by arslan on Jul 15, 2018 8:07:17 GMT
-2sd is not enough to make 1sd desperate move without dex. so barb reup will still be a good choice Are you sure? Unlike bushi no jutsu which requires more skill delay. yes.
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Post by wonderer on Jul 15, 2018 8:24:35 GMT
Are you sure? Unlike bushi no jutsu which requires more skill delay. yes. Just use whatever you like.
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Post by wonderer on Jul 15, 2018 8:26:23 GMT
I don't use bushi no Justsu skill, nor desperate move or domination for mp recovery any time. Lol Too much hassle and slows down dps.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2018 14:16:38 GMT
I don't use bushi no Justsu skill, nor desperate move or domination for mp recovery any time. Lol Too much hassle and slows down dps. In a boss fight, desperate move should be your top pick for cloning since it only takes one sec, provided you have enough -sd. Bunshin is next since it also only takes one sec with enough -sd. Yin last since you need to use it twice to re-clone which takes 2sec, although it only costs 1mp each. I don't see why it would slow down your dps, unless you're spamming pf doc, then it makes sense.
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Post by wonderer on Jul 15, 2018 14:59:18 GMT
I don't use bushi no Justsu skill, nor desperate move or domination for mp recovery any time. Lol Too much hassle and slows down dps. In a boss fight, desperate move should be your top pick for cloning since it only takes one sec, provided you have enough -sd. Bunshin is next since it also only takes one sec with enough -sd. Yin last since you need to use it twice to re-clone which takes 2sec, although it only costs 1mp each. I don't see why it would slow down your dps, unless you're spamming pf doc, then it makes sense. Yes I spam DoC PF on all bosses. Lol For desperate move need to press 3 times. -Hp gears then Main gears then Desperate move skill, that takes time and kinda annoying. Lol Bushi no jutsu skill alone is not good since it only gives 3 clones. So I spam Yin mode skill for PF + 3 clones, and I can kill everything super fast.
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Post by Loftyz47 on Jul 15, 2018 15:47:03 GMT
Thank you for all the information Zura. I didn't really know much about ninja since all I did was PF one-hit bosses for my bro to train prod. For now, I will stick to strike bow.
I think I will wait for Mirror Claw and possibly 2S weapons/specials. It will be fun to make alot of the gear myself. What do you think for Star abilities though. I've got Tech lvl5 and Critical lvl5 but have they gotten worse after the crit nerf?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2018 3:11:46 GMT
Thank you for all the information Zura. I didn't really know much about ninja since all I did was PF one-hit bosses for my bro to train prod. For now, I will stick to strike bow. I think I will wait for Mirror Claw and possibly 2S weapons/specials. It will be fun to make alot of the gear myself. What do you think for Star abilities though. I've got Tech lvl5 and Critical lvl5 but have they gotten worse after the crit nerf? Glad you found the guide informative! Crt rate hasn't been touched, so you can keep your tech abi if you still need it. I wouldn't recommend using crt abi at this point. It's still useful, but way less than before. You'll probably get more damage with a lv1 atk abi than a lv5 crt abi. In case you're wondering, my preferred abis are eva, qu, qc, atk, str, rc, mpc and pharmacy. They have their uses depending on the situation, but I always keep an eva 5 with me at all times.
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