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Post by Done~with~forums on Mar 28, 2018 22:59:48 GMT
What are your thoughts on the balancing? I did some testing but don't really know how to determine exactly the bonuses from the buffs since the the content is limited on the test server. But I was fighting Almas, got him to the point where he hits hard and I was dying fast, and noticed the highest DMG he did to me without Vitalize was 11k. With Vitlize it was 9k, so maybe it gives +10% res/mres? About the boost to matk from calm tea party, it went from 10.9k to 12k+. But idk the base matk to say how many percents that is, so yeah... Would love to hear what you found out. i and other servants i know say its not enough but saddly i guess jap devs don't really care for servants
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Post by Pixie on Mar 28, 2018 23:48:29 GMT
I figured this is how it would be lol. You probably are stuck using magic swords for the highest dmg but that kinda stinks cuz none of them have -cspd and dont have very high matk bonus or anything towards wind element. So u do lower end damage with the ability to assist thats about it i guess.
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Post by pingrek on Mar 29, 2018 0:32:51 GMT
I figured this is how it would be lol. You probably are stuck using magic swords for the highest dmg but that kinda stinks cuz none of them have -cspd and dont have very high matk bonus or anything towards wind element. So u do lower end damage with the ability to assist thats about it i guess. Why go magic sword when you can use throwing weapons which will give atk and matk for sweep and since most throwing weapons give a little matk they could be used for support (and if using fuma shuriken iv you'll get matk, wind magic, and a little -cast time), magic sword would mainly be for an auto attack build since then you would use cortege, or just go for staff for matk, support, and the ability to have three active tea parties since I think only staff can have three active at once.
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Post by Done~with~forums on Mar 29, 2018 0:48:54 GMT
I figured this is how it would be lol. You probably are stuck using magic swords for the highest dmg but that kinda stinks cuz none of them have -cspd and dont have very high matk bonus or anything towards wind element. So u do lower end damage with the ability to assist thats about it i guess. Why go magic sword when you can use throwing weapons which will give atk and matk for sweep and since most throwing weapons give a little matk they could be used for support (and if using fuma shuriken iv you'll get matk, wind magic, and a little -cast time), magic sword would mainly be for an auto attack build since then you would use cortege, or just go for staff for matk, support, and the ability to have three active tea parties since I think only staff can have three active at once. i dont wana fight with you so ill put it simply like this in the case of sweep broom yes it is affected by atk but only about 3.5x your atk.. On the other hand the matk part is 5x makeing it the better choice to achieve higher dmg(even tho its still going to be low) and staff lets u use more then 1 tea party skill allowing you to do more dmg and survival options... As for magic swords i see it more viable then a throw build but what do i know im just crazy ^~^
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Post by sandimailana on Mar 29, 2018 5:37:32 GMT
What are your thoughts on the balancing? I did some testing but don't really know how to determine exactly the bonuses from the buffs since the the content is limited on the test server. But I was fighting Almas, got him to the point where he hits hard and I was dying fast, and noticed the highest DMG he did to me without Vitalize was 11k. With Vitlize it was 9k, so maybe it gives +10% res/mres? About the boost to matk from calm tea party, it went from 10.9k to 12k+. But idk the base matk to say how many percents that is, so yeah... Would love to hear what you found out. Calm tea party ( matk+6% int.dex+25 )
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Post by NightBreeze on Mar 29, 2018 8:19:08 GMT
What are your thoughts on the balancing? I did some testing but don't really know how to determine exactly the bonuses from the buffs since the the content is limited on the test server. But I was fighting Almas, got him to the point where he hits hard and I was dying fast, and noticed the highest DMG he did to me without Vitalize was 11k. With Vitlize it was 9k, so maybe it gives +10% res/mres? About the boost to matk from calm tea party, it went from 10.9k to 12k+. But idk the base matk to say how many percents that is, so yeah... Would love to hear what you found out. Calm tea party ( matk+6% int.dex+25 ) That was before the balancing. I managed to determine the bonus after the balancing: (thanks to @zura for the idea of comparing it to the spellboost bonus): Calm Tea party now gives +15% MATK.I'd say that's pretty good. Not that far from bishop's priere lv3 MATK+20% bonus. Plus there's Mad Tea Party which increases ATK (I'll assume it also gives 15% ATK), which bishop doesn't have.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Mar 29, 2018 8:33:55 GMT
That was before the balancing. I managed to determine the bonus after the balancing: (thanks to @zura for the idea of comparing it to the spellboost bonus): Calm Tea party now gives 15% MATK.I'd say that's pretty good. Not that far from bishop's priere lv3 MATK+20% bonus. Plus there's Mad Tea Party which increases ATK (I'll assume it also gives 15% ATK), which bishop doesn't have. For Dajarte user (especially ench), Mad & calm party combo (+15% atk & matk) will be very good because dajarte damage formula is atk & matk based. Now, how its matk/atk boost compared to mins?
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Post by NightBreeze on Mar 29, 2018 8:36:22 GMT
That was before the balancing. I managed to determine the bonus after the balancing: (thanks to @zura for the idea of comparing it to the spellboost bonus): Calm Tea party now gives 15% MATK.I'd say that's pretty good. Not that far from bishop's priere lv3 MATK+20% bonus. Plus there's Mad Tea Party which increases ATK (I'll assume it also gives 15% ATK), which bishop doesn't have. For Dajarte user (especially ench), Mad & calm party combo (+15% atk & matk) will be very good because dajarte damage formula is atk & matk based. Now, how its matk/atk boost compared to mins? From what I remember mins' wisdom song is equal to bishop's priere lv3 (MATK+20%), idk about Passion. Edit: Did they nerf song bonuses? I didn't test, but remember them saying something about the songs being too strong in a blog post.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Mar 29, 2018 8:56:01 GMT
We can hope that atk & matk boost become equal with mins & bish. After all, asobimo will readjust skills if its too weak or too strong.
Anyone test doing party farm with current hate adjusment? In my opinion, servant role is hate management. With servant skills, non warrior branch class can become tanker or support class can rebuff without worrying with entire party hate.
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Post by bikini on Mar 29, 2018 11:29:22 GMT
in jap servers with max dex, i dident have problem with cast, was fast cast no cast abi/al or gear.
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Post by Capicuo on Mar 29, 2018 16:32:10 GMT
Finally managed to test enchvant/servchanter and is kinda meh.
So, my final thoughts: - AoE build focused on Sweep Broom usage is better overall than magic autoskill build since Sweep broom dmg is higher with less investment. - VIT and AGI builds are boths viable for Sweep broom usage. - Sweep broom just need 256 DEX for max sspd/delay. After that the sspd/delay is fixed to 1/1 (2 sec total). - Managed to get Almas to 1/4 HP with 440 INT/VIT, 256 DEX, 100 Rdl, rest STR (died after debuff/hp deplete) using Sweep broom. - Managed to get Almas only to 1/3 HP with 440 INT/AGI/DEX, 100 Grl, rest w/e u like (Magic autoskill build). - Magic autoskill build require so much investment for so-so dmg output that it is not worth it imo. - On high lvs (300+) when u can put some points into STR staves are better than throwin for sweep broom.
I kinda like now what I have experienced with Servant on jp test server and after testing Bishop and Enchanter to compare I think Servants will work fine once rebalance hit Iruna eng but still need something else (dunno what) to find its own niche.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Mar 29, 2018 16:55:02 GMT
Capicuo maybe hard to gain hate unless you party with warrior branch class or servant? or servant has skill to pervent entire party got buff/hp/mp delete from boss or skill that protect party from any kind of special attack.
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Post by Done~with~forums on Mar 29, 2018 17:59:57 GMT
With throw wep ur just going to limit ur self -.- only staff can bring out full servants capability
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Post by Pixie on Mar 29, 2018 18:47:26 GMT
If they up the dmg of asura aura that would make more sense to me to use the servant sword. My theory was that the wind element attack would mainly be used to blind and draw aggro whilst asura aura finished them off. I suppose u could use -cspd set for the first cast and switch back to sword. This particular combination of elements is odd. Light, wind, neutral. I suppose it makes some sense.
side theory unrelated: A servant wouldn't have high magic education but would have some basic combat training to aid their masters so they master the neutral element. Wind for speed because they must be swift in their duties. And light because they must know how to heal their master if they are hurt.
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Post by Capicuo on Mar 29, 2018 20:15:18 GMT
Capicuo maybe hard to gain hate unless you party with warrior branch class or servant? or servant has skill to pervent entire party got buff/hp/mp delete from boss or skill that protect party from any kind of special attack. Giving more to the hate management mechanic is defo the way to go to make Servant relevant since its the core of the class. I really like the idea of servant having some kind of debuff prevent shield.
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