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Post by Yogurt on Feb 9, 2018 23:21:24 GMT
So..I wonder if we can build it like how they do with gladies(but with some changes):
350 STR
400 DEX
350 CRT
100 VIT/ 50 VIT
REST AGI
I imagined this kind of build to a character that's good with swords and quick in his toes all the while singing and travelling the world lol! XD but, I just have a feeling it also wont work very well..
Why?
-Having stats in VIT and AGI is very nice for survival but, having only 350 STR and CRT means that you wont be able to deal much damage compared to the STR/DEX/CRT build.
-Also, mins just wont benefit anything from VIT and AGI aside from what I mentioned.
-We dont have some kind of "Attack Interval" skill to somehow cover up for the lost Attack Power.
-And Dex? (This build uses a normal sword) so 1 ATK per Dex wont be that much to compensate also..
Although:
-Wyn crysta could help in terms of auto-attacking.
-One can think of himself as a little swordsman if they wanted to. XD
-Also, one can dream xD xP
But at least ill be able to share it before I throw it in the incinerator..ouo
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Post by Deleted on Feb 10, 2018 3:00:17 GMT
Actually it is better to go for full STR/DEX/CRIT. With the suggested amount of stat point I assume that minstrel a very high level with at least 2 apostolia page open which make more flexible build according to what you suggested. Wanting to auto atk and having a decent evasion can be done via apostolia and proper equipment set on phrases added with Passionate and Warrior song which further improve the minstrel capabilities of auto attacking and evasion.
VIT can be manipulated with either the use of Myrica and life
While need for decent auto ASPD can be covered with some use of abilites to reach up to minimum sword ASPD requirement (343)
All in all, I have seen a decent Sword Minstrel who capable of tanking and dealing damage better than my own AGI build.
Either way it is not a bad idea if you want to try something different if it worth testing.
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Post by Yogurt on Feb 11, 2018 3:25:11 GMT
I dont trust myrica anymore (-20% rate cut) haha, apologies xD but yeah STR DEX CRT would still be better for that. Also, I just see that this build is somewhat limited to low-mid boss battles since using autoskills to attack would make you more squishy. I know, some classes can use autoskills while being a good tank and all, but we are mins lol we only have life and warrior, and the -hp stuff is already meep. XD
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 4:49:17 GMT
I dont trust myrica anymore (-20% rate cut) haha, apologies xD but yeah STR DEX CRT would still be better for that. Also, I just see that this build is somewhat limited to low-mid boss battles since using autoskills to attack would make you more squishy. I know, some classes can use autoskills while being a good tank and all, but we are mins lol we only have life and warrior, and the -hp stuff is already meep. XD DISCLAIMER: I am not a pro. I think STR CRT DEX VIT would work nicely with 2 pet skills: High Cycle - adds 100% aspd according to this source. Here's an old discussion about the skill. Dual Blow - works well with high cycle See above links. If you'd like eva, you could use 100GR and some green lines in your build + warrior song. If warrior isn't a thing for you, you'll end up spending on shelk, and other eva stuff. Overall, I think it's doable but yeah, disclaimer. Cheers. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2018 8:15:20 GMT
I dont trust myrica anymore (-20% rate cut) haha, apologies xD but yeah STR DEX CRT would still be better for that. Also, I just see that this build is somewhat limited to low-mid boss battles since using autoskills to attack would make you more squishy. I know, some classes can use autoskills while being a good tank and all, but we are mins lol we only have life and warrior, and the -hp stuff is already meep. XD Rate cut -20% can be countered with Rate Cut Lv5 abilities iirc which +20% too. For me now we can build mins as flexible as we can since with phrase introduction with a variety of equip that improve minstrel survivality. I may saying this based from my perspective for AGI type Mins who experience soloing boss a lot and I found out for my build - Some boss are safe if you focusing on auto attacking without Dragonewt, - Some boss are safe with just Dragonewt - While there are also boss that require you to mix both autoattack and Dragonewt. Here some tips that might applicable to different type of build for minstrel. - Knowing boss pattern is the 1st step to solo boss efficiently especially when you auto attack - Having wide variety of alternative to self recover is another step to determine if you can farm the boss efficiently - Setting up the right apostolia page and phrase set up will make you life easy to solo/farm boss that you like as minstrel - Last is determination and patient of having the defeat and to continue repeating same process while you soloing/farming the boss. On the side note I really want to try to switch to BowXSword minstrel however i can't found and good deal for Myrica Slot. Else I can showcase how STR/DEX/CRIT or BowXSword minstrel can be awesome. |
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Post by Yogurt on Feb 12, 2018 3:06:06 GMT
DISCLAIMER: I am not a pro. I think STR CRT DEX VIT would work nicely with 2 pet skills: High Cycle - adds 100% aspd according to this source. Here's an old discussion about the skill. Dual Blow - works well with high cycle See above links. If you'd like eva, you could use 100GR and some green lines in your build + warrior song. If warrior isn't a thing for you, you'll end up spending on shelk, and other eva stuff. Overall, I think it's doable but yeah, disclaimer. Cheers. Hi there! its me luna. Im kinda fine with using warrior song and all. It really helps with the evasion. I also did try using high cycle once, and even though it didnt cut atk interval, I guess the extra aspd would help. Also, I kinda thought that maybe using vampire blow is better than using an hcb or a soul sucker fang for the heals and perhaps replace Wyn with other Atk+ xtals so I could have higher amounts of heal with that skill(since I wouldnt have to rely on chance for healing. Unless if S.S.Fang has a fixed heal proc rate then, idk haha) ^Spoiler tl,dr: My crazy thoughts in mornings :V But yeah, im really just waiting for what Asobimo wants to change to minstrels. *lets not add another thought spoiler since itll really become more confusing xD* Btw, would a build with lots of VIT really work as a minstrel? Cause I know youll be switching to Sp. sword Samu in the future and I wanna know if your HP recovery can be on par with the big HP loss. We all know about jade ricus, 50% +1000, but I just think that that +1000 hp reco would get smaller as your HP goes higher. |
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Post by Yogurt on Feb 12, 2018 3:33:40 GMT
Rate cut -20% can be countered with Rate Cut Lv5 abilities iirc which +20% too. For me now we can build mins as flexible as we can since with phrase introduction with a variety of equip that improve minstrel survivality. I may saying this based from my perspective for AGI type Mins who experience soloing boss a lot and I found out for my build - Some boss are safe if you focusing on auto attacking without Dragonewt, - Some boss are safe with just Dragonewt - While there are also boss that require you to mix both autoattack and Dragonewt. Here some tips that might applicable to different type of build for minstrel. - Knowing boss pattern is the 1st step to solo boss efficiently especially when you auto attack - Having wide variety of alternative to self recover is another step to determine if you can farm the boss efficiently - Setting up the right apostolia page and phrase set up will make you life easy to solo/farm boss that you like as minstrel - Last is determination and patient of having the defeat and to continue repeating same process while you soloing/farming the boss. On the side note I really want to try to switch to BowXSword minstrel however i can't found and good deal for Myrica Slot. Else I can showcase how STR/DEX/CRIT or BowXSword minstrel can be awesome. Its true, we all have much to thank for with the phrase function. Its just that for myrica's case, is it okay to leave rate cut % not that high? I mean, would Iniliba be enough to lessen the damage we take from HP% attacks? Edit: ..and also from Critical attacks(?) Im guessing yes but I still feel vulnerable with that thought(which, I think, is still good for us to feel and remain human(?) XD) If it is enough then, I guess from your point of view, having to be a STR-DEX-CRT mins with a resist set would also be enough to be able to tank those bosses. Continuation: Oh right, also those attack patterns... The only things that I consider very deadly are those that leave your HP to 1, buff deletes(which yeah, takes away warrior song and if the damage somehow gets in through all the defense, then I guess it could hurt lol), and the daunting -Stat effects ^mainly Hp deterrents |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 12, 2018 4:26:52 GMT
DISCLAIMER: I am not a pro. I think STR CRT DEX VIT would work nicely with 2 pet skills: High Cycle - adds 100% aspd according to this source. Here's an old discussion about the skill. Dual Blow - works well with high cycle See above links. If you'd like eva, you could use 100GR and some green lines in your build + warrior song. If warrior isn't a thing for you, you'll end up spending on shelk, and other eva stuff. Overall, I think it's doable but yeah, disclaimer. Cheers. Hi there! its me luna. Im kinda fine with using warrior song and all. It really helps with the evasion. I also did try using high cycle once, and even though it didnt cut atk interval, I guess the extra aspd would help. Also, I kinda thought that maybe using vampire blow is better than using an hcb or a soul sucker fang for the heals and perhaps replace Wyn with other Atk+ xtals so I could have higher amounts of heal with that skill(since I wouldnt have to rely on chance for healing. Unless if S.S.Fang has a fixed heal proc rate then, idk haha) ^Spoiler tl,dr: My crazy thoughts in mornings :V But yeah, im really just waiting for what Asobimo wants to change to minstrels. *lets not add another thought spoiler since itll really become more confusing xD* Btw, would a build with lots of VIT really work as a minstrel? Cause I know youll be switching to Sp. sword Samu in the future and I wanna know if your HP recovery can be on par with the big HP loss. We all know about jade ricus, 50% +1000, but I just think that that +1000 hp reco would get smaller as your HP goes higher. Oh hi luna  The thing I understood about db + high cycle is that db lets you attack twice as fast, but still depends on your aspd, which high cycle solves. They mesh well with that logic. I was able to solo mq on my poorly geared enchanter via counter set + vampire blow xD. Anyway, I don't think vb is a great alternative to hcb and the like due to its damage being based on atk. The highest damage i did with vb is 3.5k with my 3.3k atk samurai (few weeks ago). I have 256 vit on my mins atm. I use a -100% hp set, so hp isn't a problem since I mainly just buff xD. I haven't really tried soloing anything other than ratagne. I noticed that having more hp = higher jns heal (haven't tried bless yet tho) cuz with my main set (29k hp no myrica) I heal 320+ hp and with my exp set (21k hp no myrica) I heal 230+ hp. I could try doing more experiments not just with my mins but with my other chars as well. |
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Post by Yogurt on Feb 12, 2018 8:11:18 GMT
Ah, I forgot, I meant the vamp blow(VB) from pet skills..it kinda damages and heals more than the normal one and yeah, db makes you attack twice in a second.
Edit: forgot to update this...those two vampire blows were the same. I was corrected that the other VB only dealt higher damage because of hide attack. @
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