AianLacruzel
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I'll wear my penalties as a trophy. Silenced because I can't admit I was wrong and contradict myself
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Post by AianLacruzel on Jan 16, 2018 11:14:00 GMT
Is it possible that every class have their own base autoskill activation bonus? Because I do this test to complete my iruna calculator b4 and I found out that autoskill still proc regardless of ur class or lvl PS I do the rest with lvl <50 adventurer, clean mq, and absolutely clean autoskill+% equips It is more likely than not imo. It takes a lot of work to prove it though.
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AianLacruzel
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I'll wear my penalties as a trophy. Silenced because I can't admit I was wrong and contradict myself
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Post by AianLacruzel on Jan 16, 2018 11:38:50 GMT
AianLacruzel ameblo.jp/yubari-iruna/entry-12008052345.htmlThe "tackling autoskill" source that you brushed off so quickly. He even mentions that he refers to another blog which tests the activation rate by getting more and more - autoskill % until the autoskills no longer activate. Just google Schwermer activation rate in Japanese I'm too lazy to search it now but it's also an Ameblog blogger. Then he takes the activation rates from the other blogger as a baselines and starts off with a lot of -autoskill % and keeps adding more and more autoskill until it's 0% in theory. Then from that point he removes autoskill % again to see when it actually becomes 0% activation rate. It's the only scientific way to determine the autoskill % value of purple lines. Autoskill % and critical rate are the easiest to prove, ASPD is more difficult due to so many different factors. Quoting myself, So no, I wasn't quick to dismiss him. Actually I'm giving him a chance. The problems with his calculation are: 1. the autoskill % of the equipment he used, and the other baselines he used, must first be analyzed - I can't find a link on that page regarding that data. 2. "...until the autoskills no longer activate" How did he arrive at this conclusion? how many samples did he take? How many minutes did he observe? (time : sample size) To put this in perspective, obviously, 1% means 1 in every 100 samples. 0.5% needs 200. If I am right that he did not give a link on his post (I can't find it), I can't be bothered to do his work and search for his proof. Why should I provide proof for his claim? He should be the one to provide it to his readers.
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Magic Sheep
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Post by Magic Sheep on Jan 16, 2018 12:48:16 GMT
I wonder if Asobimo hired a scientist to do the formulas
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Post by Ryukengan on Jan 16, 2018 22:35:21 GMT
AianLacruzel If you want to be spoonfed then you're at the wrong place anyway. On ameblo blogs many of them cross-reference other blog posts since it's very popular in the JP playerbase and is one of the main sources of information so it's assumed that you can type into google "iruna schwermer activation rate".
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AianLacruzel
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I'll wear my penalties as a trophy. Silenced because I can't admit I was wrong and contradict myself
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Post by AianLacruzel on Jan 17, 2018 1:54:15 GMT
AianLacruzel If you want to be spoonfed then you're at the wrong place anyway. On ameblo blogs many of them cross-reference other blog posts since it's very popular in the JP playerbase and is one of the main sources of information so it's assumed that you can type into google "iruna schwermer activation rate". It's not called getting spoonfed, it's called being critical of others' information. Especially since I don't need that info. He does though. If there is no link given, then I say it doesn't exist by default. I didn't give that info. I don't need to prove it exists. Or is it better to just agree to information given: 1. just because it's from an influential person? 2. or because he's japanese? People lie all the time. If someone says he did this or that, should we just take it at face value?
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Post by Ryukengan on Jan 17, 2018 11:09:55 GMT
AianLacruzel If you want to be spoonfed then you're at the wrong place anyway. On ameblo blogs many of them cross-reference other blog posts since it's very popular in the JP playerbase and is one of the main sources of information so it's assumed that you can type into google "iruna schwermer activation rate". It's not called getting spoonfed, it's called being critical of others' information. Especially since I don't need that info. He does though. If there is no link given, then I say it doesn't exist by default. I didn't give that info. I don't need to prove it exists. Or is it better to just agree to information given: 1. just because it's from an influential person? 2. or because he's japanese? People lie all the time. If someone says he did this or that, should we just take it at face value? AianLacruzel If you're too stupid to use Google, then you're expecting to be spoonfed. It's not being critical of others' information, it's called being too stupid to use Google. Apparently you do need that info, or else you wouldn't have asked for a source in first place. You just proved yourself how utterly hypocritical you are. By your logic people would have to explain every single sentence they write to you because you are simply too stupid to use your own brain power to do some research yourself on for example the simple definition of words. No, you should always question any information given but you should also be able to use your brain to use the internet by typing words into a browser, if that's too much work for you I feel sorry for you.
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Sasorro
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You are never weak, you just have to find a different way to defeat your enemies, so never give up!
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Post by Sasorro on Jan 17, 2018 11:51:05 GMT
ryukengan Please calm down. No need call people stupid no matter what reason is. We can all be civil here.
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Post by Ryukengan on Jan 17, 2018 12:02:37 GMT
Sasorro I am calm, I'm just stating facts here. A critical thinker is someone who questions information but most importantly does his own research. He's even being pointed in the right direction, yet he still refuses to do his own research. He is anything but a critical thinker, he expects to be spoonfed and contradicts himself in his words. If someone who acts like this can't realise his mistakes and keeps pushing his own argument when it's clearly been proven false already, what is he then? If you have a problem with my wording you should also PM me and not post on something that's related to Autoskill %, same goes for AianLacruzel.
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Post by Maxwello on Jan 17, 2018 12:24:12 GMT
If someone compiles information to back up a theory or prove a formula if you reference a previous study you most certainly should provide a direct link or a specific instruct on how someone can find it. Often it would look like this (Source: xx xx.irl)
If the person using the source stating what it apparently found cannot find it to link to it how can someone else be expected to?
It's not to much to expect.
On the flip side sure you can trust someone says this and take it as gospel and from there attempt to further that research however when it then appears something is amiss you may look back at previous research and sometimes you find an original error.be it ur own ur mentors or some guy 200 years ago.
It's not offensive it's life.
However also lacruzel..... Light green egg?
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Post by bolucookies on Jan 17, 2018 12:39:05 GMT
Im curious too bout auto skill % and aspd
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Post by Ryukengan on Jan 17, 2018 13:02:15 GMT
bfy.tw/G5gZMaxwello First result, someone was simply too lazy to use Google. No one ever mentioned that the source cannot be found. It is simply that easy to find it that they felt there is no need to include links, just like I don't provide you links to the definitions of every single word I use in my sentence because I assume that you can use the the internet yourself and look up the definitions of those words if you don't understand some of them. Schwermer activation rate is 5% for those who wonder. Tested and confirmed by both the link provided above and the link I provided earlier. If one of the blogs mentions that they test something scientifically, they use statistical significance to make sure that the sample size is large enough. (no, I won't include a link explaining you what that is, go and look it up yourself for once) Locking the thread as it obviously became off topic because someone was busy hijacking another thread yet again. Edit for Maxwello - Instructions are mentioned inside the blog: "素晴らしい検証で有名なブロガーさんを参考に検証しました(・◇・)ゞ 特に生産が素晴らしいです。" - Mentions that it's another Ameblo blogger here, you don't even need to leave Ameblo in theory but just googling it is faster due to the better search indexing of Google.
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