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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 3, 2017 12:36:48 GMT
ifron 2m auto attack damage? sounds imposible for me as samurai. Highest muramasa damage I saw (jp and na iruna) is 200k. If you counting db and other auto (assuming full veleno which at least can do 20k/auto and all auto proc), it only around 500k .-. Is it from new skills? never heard about samu new skill can do such a damage outside fs
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Post by pingrek on Dec 3, 2017 14:35:20 GMT
ManaKhe I agree about ressurect part, however sk & zero dps arent that great actually. In fact, some bosses can killed faster if your party dps is sin or ench. I always wonder, why ppl choose sk & zero over sin at raton farming? sin is far more effective (either for dps or farm consistency) when you farm raton. As for ench, with party only consist bish & mins, I can do iniliba less than 15 sec including rebuff and manage hate better than single sk or zero does. Fyi, at melee barrier boss, ench dps up by 25%-50%. Also, try use meta party at mamonea, your party will be doomed. Indeed, gladi, servant, and samu need some love because their niche not really relevant compared to another class. I had auto attack samu and her dps is far bellow my ench when she at same level. Not including fact that samu eats a lot of pots compared to my ench (which ridiculously self-suficent without any pots and better survival). Only good thing about my samu is its aoe is uniqe and you can do mob spawn trick with them. Dont get wrong, I like my samu as well as my ench, but I think samu need more boost to make they viable in party. As for mins, skills that make mpc to 1 (aka dream song) is another broken skill. Thats why servant never get party. Since mins will got survival skill, I hope at least they nerfed dream song by little (for example reduce mpc by -80% instead make mpc to 1). even if its -80%, with bish it can still decline back to -100% I thought bishops -mp cost skill doesn't stack with other -mp cost but rather lowers it further from where it's at like you have -50% from gear and the skill originally costs 1000 but now is 500 so with bishops skill instead of stacking on top of the -50% it instead acts as if the 500 is the original cost and lowers it from there, this is from a thread I read a long time ago so I'm not even sure if I can find the source for this
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Post by Zensui_X on Dec 3, 2017 15:39:42 GMT
Zensui_X Its fine since spellboost will consume +100% mpc (at least your mp cost become usual) which means affect for some class (sk, ench, zero hw with sboost is possible if you had mins) so either joy and sorrow or divine bless will be little bit useful (outside against mp delete boss). Moreover, zero hw & ench (suprisingly nobody realized it lol) with 1 mpc is literally one of broken dps class in game. How about the other HW that does not use Spell Boost, instead, they utilize Uber/Lespolt's Auto? With that, you'll never be penalized for +100% MPC. And yeah take note, Spell Boost penalty doesnt ends with just having +100% MPC it also cuts ur MDEF in half. Well uhm, Alchemist is a 1mpc type of class, but they dont seem to be that OP. I think the Devs already realize that, thats why there are some skills that their MPC cant be reduce less than -100%, (i.e. Zero Ray, Quick)
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 3, 2017 15:46:56 GMT
Utilizing uber/resty will take more time than sboost itself, I mean you must got hit, also there are chance that it wont proc.
Furthermore, lets say your hw using resistance set + uber to get its buff. It will be take more time to kill per turn since you need change to zero set once assault buff appear. Take a note that change gear set can be time consuming too (at least 0.5-1 sec), not including there are any chance that bander wont proc even with grigori :v.
If you going with this way, farming boss in pt will be more efficient with ench or sk.
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Post by Zensui_X on Dec 3, 2017 15:58:11 GMT
Back when I was a HW before (cause I just switch to Alchemist recently) I'm using this set when casting my Bandersnatch;
Uber Rod+9 Frederico Auto3 Q6 Dragon Mail+9 Reup Pole Auto4 Q20 Sieger Plate+9 Pole Auto5 Q20 acc MP5 Orichal Ring Iniliba RC5
Total of 32% Autoskill with just the gears alone (not counting the Al/s) That is about 1 out of 3 chance to proc any Auto Dmail & Iniliba's Auto supports survival At that set my maxmp is about 30k, 6k Mp recovers soon as Assault buff triggers.
Well when HW cast their bander they are really prone to be hit, even with a minimum cast&delay still, they need to cast it for a sec and another sec for the delay.
Using Spell Boost is suicide..
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 3, 2017 16:29:08 GMT
Zensui_X I mean pt wise, not solo wise xD. I said that dream song is broken skill that allow hw using spellboost+zero at same time or ench didnt need switch from mpcost set to damage set to cast qadal. I know that hw is better using uber/resty over than sboost at solo mode. But during pt mode, you can forget it since you buffed with ressu and dream (yeah two of most broken skills xD). I dissagree that zero or sk is Op skill since they had its own niche and cons. If you do observation, sin & ench dps could rival both of them. Furthermore sin can beat both sk & zero during pt farm if auto bs is implemented. But here the problem, ppl didnt realize that most broken skill in iruna is ressu and dream song which should be nerfed. :I
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Serena
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Post by Serena on Dec 3, 2017 19:31:53 GMT
Please please please thousand times dont lay the blame on bish and mins that make servant cant join a pt. Just look at their skill, they need to be enhanced, not about mins bish need to be nerfed.
First, about mins, they have to be in pt because of sweet song, not only because of dream song (sometimes I join a pt without mins, especially pt has class can heal mp, everthing is fine except rare XP), and servant (what I mean all class) cant replace. xD do you want to nerf sweet song for servant can get a chance to replace mins?
Second, about bish, remember that I've told before in this topic, even resu disappear in iruna, bish still have a slot for support classes need magic buff. Magic pierce (lv 3 matk +20%) and limit of bish buff dmg well for magic type same as mins, and just look back to servant skill, even with skill not release, the buffs add only 6% matk and atk. So if servant want to replace bish in a pt spam skill deal dmg has formula with matk, it seems impossible. But, servant is a good company with auto classes, using additional attack type, because of skill aura espada. This skill has dmg as high as dajarte (with my servant I see higher, maybe because I have neutral element boost from cortege). As you see, servant is not a buff dmg by increasing stat matk and atk, but an add one auto dmg class. Again, I know resu is really awesome but it's not the reason makes servant cant join a pt totally. Btw, I see one part of resu can nerf that's at lv3 recovery 75% hp, maybe if still think it op, can decrease to 50% (25% is too low in my opinion).
For personal thinking, I dont want to nerf resu because I dont want to spam heal to a 300k+ hp pally =))) and about resu makes any class can be a tank is not totally true. Tank has 2 parts, one is survial, the other is hate rise. As you know, resu takes hate a lot so it's not extremely powerful.
Talk about servant, for being useful in pt I have some ideas. First of all, light of shield when buffed should change to another name so that we can get more skin layers if pt with gla or enchant. Second, mirror coat be a pt buff like light of shield. Third, servant can see those buffs of pt mems or at least can see the sign when pt mem loses them like resu, if not servant just like a blind person read a map to find ways. Fourth, control hate rise better, Im not really satisfied with hate control skills atm.
Btw~ instead of "jealous" with hw and sk dmg, feeling unfair, we should do more PR, advertise how great dmg dealing of other classes. Im sure only hw and sk can be easily find a pt just because players know clearly about them and have not much info about others. In the other side, instead of saying "lfp ..." we should know what ability we have, and which class we need to pt with then say "lfm ..."
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Post by Blerfy on Dec 3, 2017 21:43:04 GMT
However, samu still need wait 30 sec before they do next fs right? I know that they can spam issen when wait next fs, but I only saw 200k-300k with it? Also, I always imagine that samu role is tank that can do nice critical damage. But hey, their survival isnt as good as warrior class that has passive resistance skill etc. Moreover, where samu skill that can attract hate? People seem to forget that Grand Majesty works as provoke for samu
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Post by ifron on Dec 3, 2017 21:50:58 GMT
ifron 2m auto attack damage? sounds imposible for me as samurai. Highest muramasa damage I saw (jp and na iruna) is 200k. If you counting db and other auto (assuming full veleno which at least can do 20k/auto and all auto proc), it only around 500k .-. Is it from new skills? never heard about samu new skill can do such a damage outside fs i meant finishing stroke that the dmg and it can go higher than 2m I saw videos and on blogs saw Sam three shot ouvel and a Sam one hit team g is anniversary
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 4, 2017 0:03:22 GMT
Grand majesty no longer attract hate after skill update. Thats why I suggest skills to attract hate for samu.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 4, 2017 0:17:14 GMT
Serena You dont know how boring meta pt today, they dont accept class outside bish, mins, sk, and zero. Iruna need variation on pt, so its normal to make balanced variation ingame. You dont want spam heal? So what function of healing skills at bish? With ressu you can see that bish survivalbility beat all class in iruna (well not all time tho) even at solo mode. Thats weird because pally is suposed to be tanker with high survivalbility, but its survivalbility lose to support class (and bish can attract hate as well). So why you need pally at this stage? Replace bish & mins with servant? Yea, you can replace dps with another dps class as well. So why same theory not applied for support? Game is boring if you only consist same support, same buff, and no gameplay variation. Im not jealous to hw and sk, in fact I had sk with "fine" gear. But, I think ench & sin is more efficient boss killer than sk especially at solo mode. I just hate common sense that sk & zero is Op skills without knowing its drawback. Also, ppl should realize that there are alternative dps class that can do damage as good as zero & sk.
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Post by ●Kittkat on Dec 4, 2017 3:03:27 GMT
I feel like this thread has turned into a "don't bash my class, let me defend my class" thread. But, if you actually take a step back and think; it's not the class nor the skills that are "op". It's the gears and the players that learn how to use them that make them that way. An overcap bishop with basic gears couldn't spam resurrect... it's the equipment they're using. Every class has there buff, mp cost, etc sets. I don't see a need for a rebalancing myself, I know my classes ups and downs and I adjust accordingly. If you're a servant and can't find a party... you should have better friends. Just my two cents... feel free to disagree.
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♪Sumire
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Post by ♪Sumire on Dec 4, 2017 3:19:29 GMT
However, samu still need wait 30 sec before they do next fs right? I know that they can spam issen when wait next fs, but I only saw 200k-300k with it? Also, I always imagine that samu role is tank that can do nice critical damage. But hey, their survival isnt as good as warrior class that has passive resistance skill etc. Moreover, where samu skill that can attract hate? hmm i knoiw someone who deals 1m up with fs / 250k up issen as for survival i was farming with a friend samu on enina ..he has no problem taking her down with no support whatsoever ... my new acc just leeching there -- resist set and using blade l5 -- his issen is still decent 130-150k / fs at 400k up as for hate hhm guess they can equip a hate magnet abi like provoke and Al that increase hate rise --i think its gauchel or big chils --kindly corect me on this -
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Post by ♪Sumire on Dec 4, 2017 3:21:16 GMT
Zensui_X Its fine since spellboost will consume +100% mpc (at least your mp cost become usual) which means affect for some class (sk, ench, zero hw with sboost is possible if you had mins) so either joy and sorrow or divine bless will be little bit useful (outside against mp delete boss). Moreover, zero hw & ench (suprisingly nobody realized it lol) with 1 mpc is literally one of broken dps class in game. How about the other HW that does not use Spell Boost, instead, they utilize Uber/Lespolt's Auto? With that, you'll never be penalized for +100% MPC. And yeah take note, Spell Boost penalty doesnt ends with just having +100% MPC it also cuts ur MDEF in half. Well uhm, Alchemist is a 1mpc type of class, but they dont seem to be that OP. I think the Devs already realize that, thats why there are some skills that their MPC cant be reduce less than -100%, (i.e. Zero Ray, Quick) oh dunno if its relevant to other hw but sboost also cuts a percent of eva -- kinda sucks for eva hw like me
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 4, 2017 3:21:18 GMT
But, in fact you still able spam ressu, so why hw cant reduce grigori sd x.x
The problem is as long as you can spam ressu, pt will fine which boring in my opinion, also only few boss that has revival debuff (plus many instant death attack boss x.x).
Asobimo nerfing ss by making boss with pierce ss and boss with high damage in single hit. They also make boss that make clone useless as defensive skill. So why ressu not nerfed by little?
Dont get wrong, bish still good since they can heal aliment and servant cannot do that. Also they has many usefull buff including increase maxHP & maxMP and increase magic power.
Its fine if servant healing aroma skill can revive dead pt member eventhough they lose their buff. But outside its sd, ressu almost has no negatives. In fact, even if mp will be problem, mins can make mpc to 1 which make servant is forgetable. Also, I heard ressu only did little hate rise (or even had no hate rise unless you are targeted).
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