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Post by pingrek on Dec 6, 2017 0:28:21 GMT
Imho, As a starter friendly class, hw is the way to go Enchanter honestly is complicated, as well as more fun tho I always loved seeing the autos proc, but hw is easier to cap, gear is easier to buy Also if u wanna be really good, ench is definitely more expensive Gram fred and all other m swords (etincelle etc, idk em) Strug reup all ele autoskills Doggy ear reup all ele autos, faws for dmg Cgbs or javali s Auto abis Still needs resist set As for hw Univ and tellas, 1 strug Sage reup and faws Magical s, skrs if rich Resist set Also i think its easier to make spina as an aoe class Honestly taenia is better than faw even though the wings give more matk the extra mp is aweful for zero ray plus no -mp cost like taenia has plus the cost difference is a big factor for a poor person like me
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Post by nic123 on Dec 6, 2017 1:33:55 GMT
Imho, As a starter friendly class, hw is the way to go Enchanter honestly is complicated, as well as more fun tho I always loved seeing the autos proc, but hw is easier to cap, gear is easier to buy Also if u wanna be really good, ench is definitely more expensive Gram fred and all other m swords (etincelle etc, idk em) Strug reup all ele autoskills Doggy ear reup all ele autos, faws for dmg Cgbs or javali s Auto abis Still needs resist set As for hw Univ and tellas, 1 strug Sage reup and faws Magical s, skrs if rich Resist set Also i think its easier to make spina as an aoe class Honestly taenia is better than faw even though the wings give more matk the extra mp is aweful for zero ray plus no -mp cost like taenia has plus the cost difference is a big factor for a poor person like me For sure I was trying to give the higest end equips with no 2s gear I use both faw and taenia I use faw dunk 2 and do 2 0 rays then i swap to taenia mezza mpc5 and do 2 more 0 rays In solo i can use sb and do 4 zero rays if need be, i will be using 3 knitting bad as of when mq is released
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Post by pingrek on Dec 6, 2017 1:50:50 GMT
Honestly taenia is better than faw even though the wings give more matk the extra mp is aweful for zero ray plus no -mp cost like taenia has plus the cost difference is a big factor for a poor person like me For sure I was trying to give the higest end equips with no 2s gear I use both faw and taenia I use faw dunk 2 and do 2 0 rays then i swap to taenia mezza mpc5 and do 2 more 0 rays In solo i can use sb and do 4 zero rays if need be, i will be using 3 knitting bad as of when mq is released I may have to get a band when it's released as well since the magic to boss will be perfect for when in farm pt
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 6, 2017 14:34:53 GMT
Imho, As a starter friendly class, hw is the way to go Enchanter honestly is complicated, as well as more fun tho I always loved seeing the autos proc, but hw is easier to cap, gear is easier to buy Also if u wanna be really good, ench is definitely more expensive Gram fred and all other m swords (etincelle etc, idk em) Strug reup all ele autoskills Doggy ear reup all ele autos, faws for dmg Cgbs or javali s Auto abis Still needs resist set As for hw Univ and tellas, 1 strug Sage reup and faws Magical s, skrs if rich Resist set Also i think its easier to make spina as an aoe class You dont need all elemental autoskill magic to become good enchanter. If you looking my enchanter guide, you only need one dps set (either element is fine) and mpc set. Also, enchanter is more for boss killer either solo or pt. Boss solo wise, only gladi that has equal or better performance than ench. Furthermore, even without rc abi, ench can survive better than hw even if your hw using full rc abi+resist set. Check again my ench guide for more information, because resist set is optional for ench: irunaonline.boards.net/thread/28397/qadal-limit-break-comboAutoskill abi is optional since special status buff make your autoskill proc rate become higher even without full autoskill abi. Btw, ench is my 1st class in iruna and even still my main now. They are not as hard as you think if you do observation :3
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Post by nic123 on Dec 6, 2017 18:54:26 GMT
Imho, As a starter friendly class, hw is the way to go Enchanter honestly is complicated, as well as more fun tho I always loved seeing the autos proc, but hw is easier to cap, gear is easier to buy Also if u wanna be really good, ench is definitely more expensive Gram fred and all other m swords (etincelle etc, idk em) Strug reup all ele autoskills Doggy ear reup all ele autos, faws for dmg Cgbs or javali s Auto abis Still needs resist set As for hw Univ and tellas, 1 strug Sage reup and faws Magical s, skrs if rich Resist set Also i think its easier to make spina as an aoe class You dont need all elemental autoskill magic to become good enchanter. If you looking my enchanter guide, you only need one dps set (either element is fine) and mpc set. Also, enchanter is more for boss killer either solo or pt. Boss solo wise, only gladi that has equal or better performance than ench. Furthermore, even without rc abi, ench can survive better than hw even if your hw using full rc abi+resist set. Check again my ench guide for more information, because resist set is optional for ench: irunaonline.boards.net/thread/28397/qadal-limit-break-comboAutoskill abi is optional since special status buff make your autoskill proc rate become higher even without full autoskill abi. Btw, ench is my 1st class in iruna and even still my main now. They are not as hard as you think if you do observation :3 I was just stating all equipment both classes would need I never said hw has more survival than ench Anyone who has played iruna will definitely say hw is a more beginner friendly class than ench: 1) aoe 2) easy to get partied 3) cheap basic gear imo 4) as for the solo aspect, i think its situational, A good hw can oneshot anyboss below 1m hp, buff time is low for hw compared to ench, so imagine u kill a boss in 10 secs as an ench, u gotta use all them buffs, and use the thing to get ur bar to 100% etc, as a hw, i buff grigori and run back in while grigoris delay is going down and thats it But bosses like sauro 350, enches would definitely have the upper hand, enches are really only a really good class if u can afford all them high end gears and melt bosses I was gonna make an ench but my net wont be good enuf for the fast attacking, thats jus a quick comparrison of both classes, only big downside to hw is lack of boss survivability without resist set
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 6, 2017 22:21:01 GMT
nic123 Read again, I said that you dont need all element autoskill set to become good enchanter, 1 elemental set is enough actually. I dont have all magic element autoskill set, and my life as enchanter is very easy. I know that ench has no aoe which make farm mob is very hard, so I definetly agree with you about this part. However, many ppl get wrong by said enchanter is hard class for beginner. They said non aoe class such as nail ninja is easy, but actually enchanter is far more easier than nail ninja. This is wrong paradigma which disencourage new players to play as ench (so do any other unpopular class). In my opinion, many ppl said ench is hard class only because there are not many guide for ench so they had no idea about them. Meanwhile, there are a lot of guide about hw. For new player, I think zero ray little bit complicated as well because you need many skill recruitment to make it good. If there arw no good guide to explain it, I believe many player will confused with zero ray too.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 6, 2017 22:28:08 GMT
For basic gear, ench is cheaper than hw actually. Dont talk about faw, gram, and cherose, with dajarte, dim sword iv, or even festan ring you can reach 200k-300k dps with less than total 250m-300m worth gear. If dajarte is too expensive, you can use ifrit & leviathan.
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Post by nic123 on Dec 7, 2017 2:03:42 GMT
Hw is definitely more newbie friendly than ench but eh So is nail ninja imo
Just that at those lower levels those classes are easier to grind to a higher level is all i meant, and i understand u dont need all ele sets,
What i was stating was the tip top equips of both ench and hws, in which an ench would need all ele sets to have "complete gear" While a hw would be cheaper by comparison.
Also a hw newbie cud use ambition- 20m? Or less Strug s/ns Taenia is a mob drop, And skr ns is 2m in stalls without having to reach ep 5 in mq for the festan ring
An ench without xtals wouldnt be to good on the other hand,
I feel like we are comparing both classes to heavily, and also since ur main is an ench and mine is a hw there may be some bias,
Both are good classes, and to me ench looks like the most fun class to play, monk to But if i were to reccomend a newbie, i would tell em start with a hw b4 an ench,
Didnt the op alreeady pcik tho???
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 7, 2017 2:52:51 GMT
Emm, actually etincelle is good weapon for begginer and its only less than 20m for slot one and probably cheaper if there are no inflantion in iruna. The wrong asumption about ench is you must use complete set for beginner which consist at least:
dim iv-frederico strug up-daja doggy ear rep-daja javali s/ns
that gear will cost around 300m. Meanwhile for begginer ench can use:
etincelle s/ns is fine 5-15m (easy weapon from lottery) dragon mail s/ns 5-20m (strugg ns is fine too) magia hood s/ns 3-15m (this is mob drop too) javali ns
that gear is good enough for beginner until you had enough budget. And that gear is not expensive since you can easily find it at stall. Yea, it will not as good as complete set, but remember its begginer set. So not only hw that has simple beginner set, ench has simple set too.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 7, 2017 2:57:04 GMT
Xtall not must for beginner ench. I experienced this when I still low level, and grind high level mob is fine for me. If you insist using xtall, you can use enhancer element xtall for more dps. Dont always look up for end game gear for beginner. Dps wise, hw better at lower level, especially for aoe since ench has no aoe :v
Btw, I pick ench for my class since first time I play iruna and Im good with it. At low level, I can farm some boss (with level almost same with me) without using pots for my spina income, even its common is good to sell to npc if you had stack of it. Ppl always says x class is hard eventhough they never experienced play it when they still newb (no knowledge and spina at all from start).
Ask high level ench that their main is ench from start. They didnt have full gear at start, but they can overcome it.
ps. I just want correcting wrong paradigma about ench o.o/
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 7, 2017 3:18:58 GMT
nic123 And yea it because ench is my main from start xD. I believe you will be says same thing for your hw. Its ok, but I just want correcting some missinformation such as you need expensive gear for beginner ench. No aoe thing certainly is factor that you must consider if you want become ench.
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Post by nic123 on Dec 7, 2017 11:44:14 GMT
No class in iruna neeeds expensive equipment to start Ita just that those enches we see who absolutely melt bosses like sauro 350 Used- gram (guy i saw had a 2s) Strug reup dajar Doggy ear and faw i think He used skrs
Also he had to do the 100% bar thing, he swapped alot of phrases, to proc kitune sirca and whatever else So i was jjst saying those enches we see who melt bosses in seconds havs very pricey gear, his ign was neoxys?saw the vid on fb and was inspired to make an ench
Lets be honest, an ench with etincelle, strug ns and magia hood isnt melting anything beside their phone overheating lol.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Dec 7, 2017 13:10:48 GMT
I agree that 100% magic overheat gauge thing is one of most annoying ench feature ._. However, same case is same with hw since I always see hw need either bander set, zero set, or elemental magic set. Zero set need -mp% gear (for solo), change bander set to zero set when bander proc, that means you need some knowledge to use it, same case with ench skills. As for etincelle, see 🔷Raichant🔷 video. He use fire set (including etincelle) and still able kill s350 in fast mode (also some other non famous ench weapon). So etincelle not mediocre weapon actually.
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Post by 『Akame』 on Dec 7, 2017 14:14:56 GMT
I see x.x made it much more complicated xD but not I've decided to pick ench yuki said that ench is easier than nail nin, and since nail nin is my main... imma try it and find out xD ps. imma do hw once im done with ench qwq (planning to try out all the classes )
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Post by nic123 on Dec 7, 2017 16:19:32 GMT
I agree that 100% magic overheat gauge thing is one of most annoying ench feature ._. However, same case is same with hw since I always see hw need either bander set, zero set, or elemental magic set. Zero set need -mp% gear (for solo), change bander set to zero set when bander proc, that means you need some knowledge to use it, same case with ench skills. As for etincelle, see 🔷Raichant🔷 video. He use fire set (including etincelle) and still able kill s350 in fast mode (also some other non famous ench weapon). So etincelle not mediocre weapon actually. U use bandersnatch, u see assault buff, u press 0 ray, its not really complicated lol Also im sure he used eticelle with other expensive gear to melt s350, and ench with the starter gears u stated will not melt s350 No need to further debate since op choose ench.
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