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Post by 『Akame』 on Nov 4, 2017 9:12:07 GMT
So I decided to try out a new class from the mage branch... I searched info for all jobs in the mage branch and what caught my interest is the Enchanter and the High Wizard... And now I'm so confused as to which I will pick x.x Can somebody compare them in the following aspects? Damage Survivability Spinas involved Solo capabilities Party (are they party reliant and etc.) Gameplay (are they easy, hard, moderate?) That's all the aspects I could think of, but feel free to add more Thanks in advance
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Post by blazer on Nov 4, 2017 10:11:38 GMT
So I decided to try out a new class from the mage branch... I searched info for all jobs in the mage branch and what caught my interest is the Enchanter and the High Wizard... And now I'm so confused as to which I will pick x.x Can somebody compare them in the following aspects? Damage Survivability Spinas involved Solo capabilities Party (are they party reliant and etc.) Gameplay (are they easy, hard, moderate?) That's all the aspects I could think of, but feel free to add more Thanks in advance enchanter:solo,no aoe,better survivability,pretty good dps(400k+ per attack at high lvl),can solo like a meta party(saw someone soloing sauro 350 in 10s),not so welcome in party,hard but fun, costly if u gonna make all elemental sets hw:party,low survivability,huge damage(zero),can solo lower bosses pretty easily,good aoe skills,spina less compared to enchanter,moderate but fun,always welcome in party x
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Post by 『Akame』 on Nov 4, 2017 12:30:16 GMT
So I decided to try out a new class from the mage branch... I searched info for all jobs in the mage branch and what caught my interest is the Enchanter and the High Wizard... And now I'm so confused as to which I will pick x.x Can somebody compare them in the following aspects? Damage Survivability Spinas involved Solo capabilities Party (are they party reliant and etc.) Gameplay (are they easy, hard, moderate?) That's all the aspects I could think of, but feel free to add more Thanks in advance enchanter:solo,no aoe,better survivability,pretty good dps(400k+ per attack at high lvl),can solo like a meta party(saw someone soloing sauro 350 in 10s),not so welcome in party,hard but fun, costly if u gonna make all elemental sets hw:party,low survivability,huge damage(zero),can solo lower bosses pretty easily,good aoe skills,spina less compared to enchanter,moderate but fun,always welcome in party x Thanks... xD I guess I'll go with HW for now... Watched a lot of ench and hw vids, ench is so complicated and too expensive x.x
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Post by Makina Yuki on Nov 4, 2017 12:50:10 GMT
There are missconseption about ench especially expensive class part. Actually this is not really true (except you aiming expensive gear such as cherose or faw). For example enchanter starter set can only 20m or even less if you aiming ns weapon only. Outside cherose & pretortoise, you can get a magic attack xtall around 60m (if overpriced).
Assuming hw mid gear are: tellas 2-gerust lets say 120m struggler up-moldus 150m-200m Taenia-Tarna 120m skr ns 2m
Enchanter mid gear: Dim IV-gerust lets say 70m struggler up-dajarte 150m-200m Doggy ear re up-dajarte 60m-80m javali ns 500k-2m
with only that gear you will had good dps which cheaper than hw (not including al which make hw more expensive than ench).
ps:you not really need collect all elemental set since mid gear ench that i mention above has high damage to all element (except dark of course).
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Post by blazer on Nov 4, 2017 13:46:44 GMT
enchanter:solo,no aoe,better survivability,pretty good dps(400k+ per attack at high lvl),can solo like a meta party(saw someone soloing sauro 350 in 10s),not so welcome in party,hard but fun, costly if u gonna make all elemental sets hw:party,low survivability,huge damage(zero),can solo lower bosses pretty easily,good aoe skills,spina less compared to enchanter,moderate but fun,always welcome in party x Thanks... xD I guess I'll go with HW for now... Watched a lot of ench and hw vids, ench is so complicated and too expensive x.x enchanter is not too expensive..i said expensive if u gonna collect all elemental sets..but even with a single set you can go pretty high damage..to think about all other sets is when you have reached pretty high and nothing else to do otherwise it might be even cheaper than hw..to be honest enchanter is the class i enjoyed the most playing..and yea it's pretty complicated..if you like simple game play and a party player hw is the best choice..no one gonna say no to hw in a party xx
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Post by 『Akame』 on Nov 4, 2017 13:53:31 GMT
There are missconseption about ench especially expensive class part. Actually this is not really true (except you aiming expensive gear such as cherose or faw). For example enchanter starter set can only 20m or even less if you aiming ns weapon only. Outside cherose & pretortoise, you can get a magic attack xtall around 60m (if overpriced). Assuming hw mid gear are: tellas 2-gerust lets say 120m struggler up-moldus 150m-200m Taenia-Tarna 120m skr ns 2m Enchanter mid gear: Dim IV-gerust lets say 70m struggler up-dajarte 150m-200m Doggy ear re up-dajarte 60m-80m javali ns 500k-2m with only that gear you will had good dps which cheaper than hw (not including al which make hw more expensive than ench). ps:you not really need collect all elemental set since mid gear ench that i mention above has high damage to all element (except dark of course). Hmm... That got me debating again with myself xD... I was aiming for auto ench so I had the impression of expensive just from those auto abis x.x and also those sets that I saw in yt vids that'll mostly take up all your bag spaces x.x and I also dont quite understand how ench works xD While for HW, I had some little experience from other mmos so I have an idea on how they work, and I also wanna try an AoE class for a change
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Post by Makina Yuki on Nov 4, 2017 14:02:04 GMT
『Akame』 Actually once you unlock limit break & qadal, you dont need too much autoskill abi since during special status, enchanter all autoskill can proc at single strike. Autoskill abi is optional so dont worry about its equip. To be honest, damage set alone is enough for enchanter, other gear set is optional. Hw need more than one set to solo boss efficiently (zero & resist set), meanwhile ench only need damage set. Mp cost set and resist set is optional for ench. HOWEVER, in term soloing most high level boss, enchanter better than hw even if hw has 2 set since ench can dealt 400k-800k in single attack (per 1-2 sec). Meanwhile hw need at least 2-3 sec cast te before land its 800k-1m damage with zero ray (if bander proc). And yea, not many ppl tells strategy as enchanter. I hope caporal can add my strategy to utilize enchanter potential in his "complete enchanter guide".
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Post by Makina Yuki on Nov 4, 2017 14:11:46 GMT
If I remember Arata make video about how to do fast kill as enchanter long time ago but he delete it qwq Probably I can make video about ench playstyle once I had enough material to add to my video (mostly my character art xD).
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Post by 『Akame』 on Nov 4, 2017 15:40:53 GMT
Now I'm totally confused x.x
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Post by caporal on Nov 4, 2017 15:58:08 GMT
Computer broken for a few days can't update my guides lol
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Post by 『Akame』 on Nov 4, 2017 16:20:12 GMT
Hmm... So with those gears you mention, is it ok to not have any auto abi on those if u have limit break and the other one (forgot when typing xD using phone)?
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Post by Makina Yuki on Nov 4, 2017 16:32:13 GMT
Hmm... So with those gears you mention, is it ok to not have any auto abi on those if u have limit break and the other one (forgot when typing xD using phone)? If you want to relies at special status mode (limit break+qadal), you dont need too much autoskill abi as long you has gear that has autoskill rate stats (ex: doggy ears re up). Even without full autoskill abi, at least you can proc minimum 2 autoskill per attack outside special status mode (at least 120k-150k minimum damage per attack at cap level), also more damage and autoskill during special status mode.
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Post by Mocha❀モカモカ on Nov 4, 2017 17:04:56 GMT
Just going to put my combined analysis of both classes here o.o/
TL;DR If you want a class who has high survivability, (with lots of cool buffs) and can easily solo bosses, Enchanter is the choice. If you want a class that could farm mobs easily and find a PT easily, High wizard is the choice.
Damage: Both can deal great damage depending on level, skills, and equipment
- HW has AoE while Enchanters do not (Which makes HW great for farming / grinding mobs) - Most of a HW’s damage will come from imperial ray Lv. 300- and then zero ray Lv. 300+. - Enchanters dps comes from auto skill attacks (~50k - 100k+ (times that by the number of autos you get in 1 attack) / second).
Survivability: Overall enchanters have higher survivability than HW
- Enchanters have a skill called stone skin. Stone skin is basically like an extra amor for your HP. This means your HP won't take any damage, your stone skin will mitigate it. You would have to re-buff it if it wears out. - Pre 260, HWs are extremely squishy. Once you hit 260 you get the skill bandersnatch which gives an “assault” buff once it procs (not guaranteed everytime) helps with the survival but sometimes not enough when facing difficult bosses.
Solo capabilities: Enchanters better for soloing in general
- Enchanters are better at soloing because of survivability. - HW can also solo but it will be difficult to solo high levelled bosses quickly without zero ray, you will need to kite. But if you create a resistance set, HW (or I should say any class) can solo without dying, it will just take longer.
Cost: Both are expensive if you want to get them to full build, top geared.
- Extra equipment sets for both classes are optional but if you want to solo some bosses as a HW, resistance set is highly recommended
Party:
Let me put it this way.. I see “LF HW” 50 times more than I see “LF Enchanter” in boss farms & level grinds.
Gameplay:
- HW is pretty much straight forward, very few buffs (Mirage if needed - grigori - drain - paralyze - bandersnatch - zero) for Lv300+. - Enchanter will be confusing at first (A lot more buffs than HW) but will gradually become easier the more you play. - When a debuff hits both need to rebuff (HW's 10 second grigori vs Enchanters multiple buffs) /:
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Post by 『Akame』 on Nov 4, 2017 17:30:05 GMT
Hmmm... I'm getting more interested in ench now... But that debuff problem worries me, since I have already finished mq with my nin I have encountered some strong bosses that does debuff plus my phone is really laggy so that is a huge prob x.x Hmmm... Maybe I'll just forget about AoE xD... I'll just borrow my friend's bish
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Post by Makina Yuki on Nov 4, 2017 18:08:52 GMT
I completely agree for buff delete part. For ench buff, actually enchant weapon & spellboost is enough to do at least 70-80k damage per auto with dark set (since ench has no dark element origin). Main reason why ench look complicated with its buff because they had many good buff that you cant ignored. Also ench need fill magic overheat first, which make 1st run will be longer than next run. If you watch video enchanter pt farm at s400, you will see that they only do enchant weapon & spellboost before use limit break+qadal.
As for ench strategy only consist (enchant weapon (other buff is optional but recommended for max dps)> drain> magic blade (optional)> limit break> sboost> qadal> special status> berserk time :3)
Ps:why ench looks complicated? because no new guide about to do high dps as ench, meanwhile there are many good guide for zero hw.
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