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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 11:17:51 GMT
i dont blame her because crt is too confusing. its not at all weird that she's wrong on that. no crt rate+30 is not 90 crt. crt rate+30% is 90crt.
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tasm
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Post by tasm on May 29, 2014 12:42:44 GMT
@koutetsu it gives rate, but not modifier. Only directly adding points to crt will increase the damage modifier. And there is a limit on crt. there's no such thing as 100% crt rate. After 70-85+ crt rate, there won't be a noticeable difference in how often crt triggers.
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Post by koutetsu on May 29, 2014 12:54:43 GMT
perhaps u dont understand my question meth time....*i like this part...nw watch me XD* 1st: crt rate 30 = 90 CRT? yes or no only. 2nd: lost knight sword get crt rate +100 = 300 CRT? yes or no 3rd: 300 CRT = 95% chance get crt dmg (1 CRT with lost knight sword) yes or no only 4th: i dont need additional CRT for extra little over dmg, instead i can max str & dex for extra more dmg or i can focus other stat for survival or mp for spam. yes or no only
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 13:05:34 GMT
1st: crt rate 30 = 90 CRT? yes or no only. no. crt rate +30 is not 90 crt. crt rate +30% is 90 crt.
2nd: lost knight sword get crt rate +100 = 300 CRT? yes or no this question relates to the above question. first is a no so this is a no too.
3rd: 300 CRT = 95% chance get crt dmg (1 CRT with lost knight sword) yes or no only 300 crt is 95% crt chance. not crt damage. but yes.
4th: i dont need additional CRT for extra little over dmg, instead i can max str & dex for extra more dmg or i can focus other stat for survival or mp for spam. yes or no only this question is not answerable by me.
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tasm
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Post by tasm on May 29, 2014 13:19:43 GMT
1st: crt rate 30 = 90 CRT? yes or no only.
Yes and no, lol.
2nd: lost knight sword get crt rate +100 = 300 CRT? yes or no
same as above.
3rd: 300 CRT = 95% chance get crt dmg (1 CRT with lost knight sword) yes or no only
yes.
4th: i dont need additional CRT for extra little over dmg, instead i can max str & dex for extra more dmg or i can focus other stat for survival or mp for spam. yes or no only
no and yes.
----- 1&2: crt rate +30 will give 90 crt worth of crit rate. Crt rate +100, should give 300 crt worth of crit rate. But it would need to be tested with 120 crt + (crt rate + 100) + interfike xtal. If crit hits 95% of the time in this cenario, then yes it gives 300 crt worth of crit rate.
Howver, it doesn't give damage modifier. You crts will hit for 1.5x base dmg. Physically adding 90 crt would give a crt modifer of a little under 2.5x base dmg. And so on....
4: Crt's modifier gives more points to damage than would be gained by adding stats for greater atk. The exception to this is that the greater atk allows damage to bypass enemy defenses easier, and in the case of a high def enemy, would result in a higher damage. Enemy defenses aside, crt is the superior damage stat.
You can max str and dex, but the damage per base hit couldn't possibly touch max crt.
However, you would have a maximum crt rate. So, yes, you wouldn't have to worry about accuracy as much. And you could place points into survival stats.
@ Syerin Did the item descriptions get patched? I haven't seen a throwing knife in a while. So, I wouldn't know if it still sats "Crit rate +30" or "Crit rate +30%". Before, I'm 100% that it worked as above. Otherwise my build with 90crt + throwing knife would have never worked against albrero in atg.
edit: himmel wasn't out then e.e... I must have been using 60 crt rate. Then, when we got full jobs, I tested with draw and booster. 60crt rate, which worked before, missed often when booster was triggering. So using some critical +20 beads/item, I found it worked well at 70/75 crt rate.
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Post by koutetsu on May 29, 2014 13:24:13 GMT
1st: crt rate 30 = 90 CRT? yes or no only. no. crt rate +30 is not 90 crt. crt rate +30% is 90 crt.2nd: lost knight sword get crt rate +100 = 300 CRT? yes or no this question relates to the above question. first is a no so this is a no too.3rd: 300 CRT = 95% chance get crt dmg (1 CRT with lost knight sword) yes or no only 300 crt is 95% crt chance. not crt damage. but yes.4th: i dont need additional CRT for extra little over dmg, instead i can max str & dex for extra more dmg or i can focus other stat for survival or mp for spam. yes or no only this question is not answerable by me.@tasm u correct on about crt rate +% its a modifier.... calculation: current crt rate x crt rate +% = total amount crt rate u get sample: current crt rate u hav is 65 x crt rate +5% = 3.25 crt rate amount u get thrfore 65 + 3.25 = 68.25 crt rate (round up is 68 crt rate)
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Post by koutetsu on May 29, 2014 13:27:41 GMT
@tasm lol i take back my words for ur correct part XD crt dmg modifier is based on ur current atk....if u hav low atk...u cant possibly doin great crt dmg crt only add little dmg...most part crt dmg still by atk
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tasm
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Post by tasm on May 29, 2014 13:45:30 GMT
@tasm lol i take back my words for ur correct part XD crt dmg modifier is based on ur current atk....if u hav low atk...u cant possibly doin great crt dmg crt only add little dmg...most part crt dmg still by atk That's what I wrote. e.e like... let's say your atk 1100. You'll base hit about 1000 at fire rocker. 256 crt, your damage is close to 4k per hit. 1crt and +100 crt rate, your damage would be 2.5k. if you max all dmg attributes for sword, it's only a 256 x 4 (or 1024) atk boost plus weapon atk / refinement values + passives + actives. If you're an awesome gladiator, you could have 3000 or more atk. that would be base hit of 3000 damage. 256 crt plus that is near 12k damage hits. What I'm saying is if you added 256 x 4 atk, you would only hit fire rocker for little under 1000 damage without crt. With crt (at 1 crt), maybe 2000/2100 damage. Even if you used indra +7 with base atk 350/400, with 256 crt it will damage around 1400-1600 at fire rocker. So, you're getting that much performance out of 256 points in crt, even when compared to 512 points in two atk attributes. Max str and Max crt for indra would be, in this example without any added buffs, 256 x 3 + 350 atk times a near 4x modifier. Roughly 4k damage with the same 512 points. edit: nvm. I'll replace sickles in example with some 160'ish atk sword.
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badeko
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Post by badeko on May 29, 2014 14:29:01 GMT
Thanks for the answers guys and the info on crt i think should be stickd somewhere for easy access to the public
Consider this tread closed ^_^
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2014 14:31:16 GMT
im totally lost....30 crt rate = 90 CRT? so means lost knight sword that give crt rate +100 = 300 CRT? so i can keep CRT 1? while max str max dex & rest vit? my bad... yep. side note about keeping CRT at 1: By actually adding the CRT stat you also increase your critical damage. CRT rate is only equal to actual CRT stat when it comes to critical hits. for example, you can crt every shot and deal 10 damage with 100 crt rate and 1 crt stat. with adding crt stat you get the crt rate and damage so you would crt every shot and deal 20 damage.
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Post by ManaKhe on May 29, 2014 23:53:22 GMT
Claw Enchanters should use DEX over CRT. CRT will work way better with Flabellum than with claws. Also you basically need max DEX with Claw or Sword to insta cast Drain. I don't understand why max AGI is necessary for a Claw Enchanter at all. You aren't really relying on your regular attacks damage so it would only be for EVA really. Also Claw Enchanters need really good gear to do good damage along with Spellboost. the concept of claw enchanter is evasion. that is the only reason why ones consider building a claw enchanter. if you subtract the evasion from the equation, you are left with nothing. say we're using spellboost with max DEX so 45 second. the problem with VIT is, for a quick hitting boss, you will need to recast stoneskin after 5-7 hits while spellboost active and you know the MP consumption yourself. on the other hand, with AGI for claw, you wont need to recast stoneskin too often while spellboost active because you evade some of his attack thus you're not drying your MP pool. for claw case, AGI is just better. that's all. Sorry was thinking you were talking about maxing AGI before DEX haha. Claw Enchanter would be leaning more towards the pure DPS side of Enchanter though rather than the solo/tank side I would think.
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ggtalon
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Post by ggtalon on May 30, 2014 0:08:02 GMT
Thanks for the answers guys and the info on crt i think should be stickd somewhere for easy access to the public Consider this tread closed ^_^ somewhere on topic. 180 crit would give you more crit than regular attack by alot. ( i dont like math so ignore it; but, for the sake of others, somewhere around 200-210 is 75% crit chance which is more than enough for most mobs) also using stars would increase the chance of crit proc. (lets say crit lvl 4 on armor) to the point where you could just leave crit alone after that if you would rather focus on other stats.
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Post by Deleted on May 30, 2014 11:10:36 GMT
Locked based on request by badeko via pm
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