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Post by Makina Yuki on Jan 20, 2018 6:01:11 GMT
When people says that ench expensive compared to Hw, necro, or any class that use struggler or ultimi. Mann, do you know that ench no need all elemental set. Please dont give wrong advice to new player with your missconseption -_-
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Ravitox
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Post by Ravitox on Jan 21, 2018 1:45:46 GMT
When people says that ench expensive compared to Hw, necro, or any class that use struggler or ultimi. Mann, do you know that ench no need all elemental set. Please dont give wrong advice to new player with your missconseption -_- I think I know where this is from ... xD I also think that all classes get expensive if we want top tier gear. You are correct in saying that enchanters don't need an elemental set, but that's also true to say that high wizards don't really need max gear to do decent damage and survive alright. In the end game, a good high wizard can cost upwards of 12b+ to gear. I don't think an enchanter costs that much. However, in the beginning/mid game, a high wizard can be decently strong with fairly low-class gear while an enchanter can't do much without a good set. From level 140-260, a high wizard is much cheaper than an enchanter, but in the end game, the high wizard build can become more expensive. Maybe they were talking about the cost comparison in the lower levels? ovo |
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Post by Makina Yuki on Jan 21, 2018 1:55:09 GMT
Ravitox This is price comparation non high end gear set for hw, necro, & ench but still able do high damage (hw & necro gear almost similiar): Ench gear *dim iv-gerust (around 50m-100m) *Struggler up-dajarte (around 150m-200m) *Doggy ears/sage hat re up-dajarte (60m-200m) *Festan ring (free from mq)-mezza (30m-50m) -Hw/necro gear *barotas-gerust (around 50m-100m) *Struggler up-moldus (around 150m-200m) *Sage hat re up/taenia-ushilth (100m-200m) *Free slot spec mq-mezza (30m-50m) I make same treatment price list for them: -no gram, cherose, faw for ench -no universe, tellas, dunk ii for hw -no tellas, aster l5, & necro wand for necro Actually both class had almost same gear price at mid level. Thats why it triggers me when someone says that ench way more expensive than hw or necro .-.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Jan 21, 2018 2:02:45 GMT
If we include lower level gear comparasion, I can list cheap budget gear for hw & ench as well:
ench:
-pramia (around 2-5m s/ns)
-dragon mail (3-12m s/ns)
-doggy ears no up/magia hood (3-12m s/ns)
-any other spec except you can buy javali ns cheaper than 2m
hw & necro
-barotas (3-5m ns)
-strugg ns (10m-15m)
-taenia ns/s (3m ns 5m s)
-wmr ns (500k-1m)
That gear list should be optimum for low budget players. Surely, hw beat ench dps at lower level. But its hw nature because they are dps class. Meanwhile ench is semi dps class.
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ilquines
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it snowed 8 days to late
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Post by ilquines on Jan 31, 2018 18:45:20 GMT
the fact that all the Wifi in my area .... (public and neighbors(havent bought a service sence i moved))
is legit 300kbs
my mobile data is 4-10mbs .... i have to use this at all times its quite bad
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Ravitox
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Post by Ravitox on Feb 2, 2018 1:40:21 GMT
It is Rav back with more triggering scenarios.
The weirdly annoying lfp people that I really dislike:
People who advocate that they are a ninja that can solo to look for a party -_-
People who advocate that they can spam heal
Minstrels that can sing 2 songs
Mp healers that heal 200 mp
"HP healer" that heals 500 hp.
Tanks who do not know that Yardes has a bug
Tanks who hit less than 10k damage and refuse to move when every mob is invisible
Tanks who have less than 30k hp
leveling me pls i no spina
High Wizards with high vit that don't mp heal others
Enchanters with high vit that don't mp heal others
People with buffs that don't buff the party
Lazy Bishops that don't bother to cast resu
Bishops that cast lichter on yardes with Rav in party.
Bishops that cast bless and not divine bless because they don't want to run down the hill.
Tanks that don't attack first.
Aoe users that aoe too much and now are running from death
The list goes on and on and on...
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Post by Makina Yuki on Feb 2, 2018 1:55:34 GMT
Ravitox did you know that bk, ench, and even gladi can tank even with less than 30k maxHP? But if you mean pally with less than 30k maxHP and try to be tanker in yarde, then they are under leveled pally.
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Post by pingrek on Feb 2, 2018 2:06:11 GMT
It is Rav back with more triggering scenarios. The weirdly annoying lfp people that I really dislike: People who advocate that they are a ninja that can solo to look for a party -_- People who advocate that they can spam heal Minstrels that can sing 2 songs Mp healers that heal 200 mp "HP healer" that heals 500 hp. Tanks who do not know that Yardes has a bug Tanks who hit less than 10k damage and refuse to move when every mob is invisible Tanks who have less than 30k hp leveling me pls i no spina High Wizards with high vit that don't mp heal others Enchanters with high vit that don't mp heal others People with buffs that don't buff the party Lazy Bishops that don't bother to cast resu Bishops that cast lichter on yardes with Rav in party. Bishops that cast bless and not divine bless because they don't want to run down the hill. Tanks that don't attack first. Aoe users that aoe too much and now are running from death The list goes on and on and on... The thing about minstrels are you talking about a minstrel thats high enough level to have song lore that enables 3 or 4 songs but they can only have 2 active songs or any level minstel like one that's low level and can only have 2 songs active |
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Ravitox
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Post by Ravitox on Feb 2, 2018 2:31:42 GMT
Ravitox did you know that bk, ench, and even gladi can tank even with less than 30k maxHP? But if you mean pally with less than 30k maxHP and try to be tanker in yarde, then they are under leveled pally. Yes. BK, ench, and gladi don't only depend on max hp. Tanks like a tanky hw, sniper with vit, or like you said a paladin, who say they tank (which would depend on maxhp) but then don't have that hp and are in the tank role.. that annoys me. |
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Ravitox
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Post by Ravitox on Feb 2, 2018 2:35:48 GMT
pingrekI meant minstrels that can only sing 2 songs because they have 2 songs. They can hum and do something that is rarely useful, like Life Song. They just enter party and that's all they do, whether it hinders you or not.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Feb 2, 2018 2:44:51 GMT
I think that no matter how high your eva or maxHP, Hw cant become tank unless they use sh or use -cast time set (but your damage will be low and still not as good as true tank class). Most hw skill need cast time which make their hate rise is not consistent.
Tank class has spamable skill with high hate rise even if they do low damage (example: guardian and magic blade). If you had no spammable skill, you can use autoskill instead since autoskill give high hate rise (tested at mamonea when I duo with my bish friend, and I never lose hate even when I rebuff after mamo buff delete xD), sadly it will nerfed soon. For me, most annoying thing when one party member blame sk or zero because they cant tank. If you need competent tanker, why not hire pally or ench instead -_- |
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Post by pingrek on Feb 2, 2018 2:51:34 GMT
pingrekI meant minstrels that can only sing 2 songs because they have 2 songs. They can hum and do something that is rarely useful, like Life Song. They just enter party and that's all they do, whether it hinders you or not. That I can see as being annoying when they don't even bother to get all the songs |
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Ravitox
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Post by Ravitox on Feb 2, 2018 3:00:11 GMT
I think that no matter how high your eva or maxHP, Hw cant become tank unless they use sh or use -cast time set (but your damage will be low and still not as good as true tank class). Most hw skill need cast time which make their hate rise is not consistent.
Tank class has spamable skill with high hate rise even if they do low damage (example: guardian and magic blade). If you had no spammable skill, you can use autoskill instead since autoskill give high hate rise (tested at mamonea when I duo with my bish friend, and I never lose hate even when I rebuff after mamo buff delete xD), sadly it will nerfed soon. For me, most annoying thing when one party member blame sk or zero because they cant tank. If you need competent tanker, why not hire pally or ench instead -_- I do agree with that. Enchanters can be great tanks if built to tank. Paladins, Beast Knight, Gladi... That's the entire Knight subclass. They are all tanks even if they add damage (especially if they add some damage as it holds aggro too!) The meta party is a mess already as it has no real tank, so people just "make do with whatever" when it comes to tanks. They either blame the healer for a death or the dps for not killing fast enough. I love seeing the bad meta parties at parazaia. It's like they don't notice how bad their run time is with the unbalanced party composition. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2018 3:26:45 GMT
Somewhat copying Ravitox's format... • Enchanters that don't buff my auto monk xD come on just draw every 5 mins wouldn't hurt ;-; • Bish/Servant that don't rebuff (I do on my monk so do your job ples) • This scenario: - Me: "Bless pls." - Someone: "But you are ninja." - Me: "I can manage." - Someone: "Nub" *leaves pt* - Me: *kills faster than the pt "someone" joined* (totally lying at this point xD) • Another scenario: - Me: "Lfp DoC spam ninja" *cricket sounds* - Someone: "Lfp ninja" *gets pt invite* • Another one~: - Someone: "Lfp Minstrel 2 song" *instant pt invite* - Me: "Lfp Minstrel 2 song no sh/bot" *cricket sounds* • Getting tired of this: - Someone: "Lfp hw/ench/necro" - Me: *sends pt invite* - Someone: *just uses MP heal* • People who assumes everyone is a fellow *insert language here* speaker. Please don't send your "malkajshbduddbjs" before at least asking "do you speak *language*?" and maybe add even a greeting. • Maybe a newbie or..? Anyway, duo pt on yarde - HW: *uses aoe on yardes* "Help" - Me as a lv180~ish samurai: *facepalm* - HW: *dies* "Nub" *leaves pt* (I mean, I did try to take hate but yeah) • Someone in my party with higher level: "What class are you?" And something that's actually quite funny: My level 80 wizard was chilling at rossam's place. This happened:  upload image direct link |
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Ravitox
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Post by Ravitox on Feb 2, 2018 3:44:39 GMT
@zura
im ded
Please don't send your "malkajshbduddbjs"
that's now my status. I'm crying of laughtears
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