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Post by ∙°Emi°∙ [lurking on forum] on Feb 27, 2017 9:56:56 GMT
In the Dream Song description, it says 'reduces mp cost and Increases delay'
Now, many people may have noticed the 'decrease' in delay instead of 'increase' in delay when casted dream song.
Dream song is actually based on your lvl and dex.
スキルディレイ増減（秒）＝3.0（秒）ー（自レベル÷100）ー（DEX値÷250）
Skill delay increase / decrease (seconds) = 3.0 (second) - (own level ÷ 100) - (DEX value ÷ 250)
→ Reference ←
Assuming your lvl is 0, when casted, it will give you +3 delay.
But, 1 lvl = -0.01 delay (so, -0.01 delay per lvl)
which means, at lvl 300, -3 delay cancels out +3 delay which equals to 0 delay.
Current cap lvl is 345, Current stat cap is 428
ex. Assuming lvl 345, and 428 dex
3 - (345 ÷ 100) - (428 ÷ 250)
= 3 - 3.45 - 1.712
= -2.162
You will be able to get up to around -2 delay just with dream song o.o
I'm not sure if i got the math right q.q (even though i used a calculator ._.)
so, correct me if I'm wrong >.<
Lastly, ty Haru♪ for helping with jp translations
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Post by Deleted on Feb 27, 2017 11:50:18 GMT
I was wondering if this case apply to other class aside minstrel?
But I do feel the differences after reaching lvl 300+ where after casting dream, the delay for consecutive songs casted slightly reduce even tho I didn't have any dex in my stat.
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Post by ∙°Emi°∙ [lurking on forum] on Feb 27, 2017 17:52:24 GMT
I was wondering if this case apply to other class aside minstrel? But I do feel the differences after reaching lvl 300+ where after casting dream, the delay for consecutive songs casted slightly reduce even tho I didn't have any dex in my stat. I believe it does. I've tested with my bishop's resu delay. Also, since 1 mp cost affects everyone in pt or the person you casted the song to, I'm pretty sure the delay affects other people as well. |
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Post by Cerulean on Mar 1, 2017 19:58:22 GMT
In the Dream Song description, it says 'reduces mp cost and Increases delay'Now, many people may have noticed the 'decrease' in delay instead of 'increase' in delay when casted dream song.Dream song is actually based on your lvl and dex.
スキルディレイ増減（秒）＝3.0（秒）ー（自レベル÷100）ー（DEX値÷250）
Skill delay increase / decrease (seconds) = 3.0 (second) - (own level ÷ 100) - (DEX value ÷ 250)→ Reference ← Assuming your lvl is 0, when casted, it will give you +3 delay.But, 1 lvl = -0.01 delay (so, -0.01 delay per lvl)which means, at lvl 300, -3 delay cancels out +3 delay which equals to 0 delay. Current cap lvl is 345, Current stat cap is 428 ex. Assuming lvl 345, and 428 dex 3 - (345 ÷ 100) - (428 ÷ 250) = 3 - 3.45 - 1.712 = -2.162You will be able to get up to around -2 delay just with dream song o.o I'm not sure if i got the math right q.q (even though i used a calculator ._.) so, correct me if I'm wrong >.< Lastly, ty Haru♪ for helping with jp translations Elk™ here owo/ I noticed this too when I used to play as minstrel and wanted to mention it but didn't have a formula qwq/ P.s. inbox emi for free cap service |
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Post by ∙°Emi°∙ [lurking on forum] on Mar 1, 2017 21:12:34 GMT
Cerulean Hi Elk o.o/ I found it odd as well that delay decreased when dream song casted although it said 'increases delay' so I had it in mind for a while now and finally found a formula. xD
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Post by Cerulean on Mar 2, 2017 0:13:32 GMT
∙°Emi°∙ [lurking on forum] yeah I notice cause I had a low level minstrel and a 320 one and the difference I thought was based on Dex alone I didn't account for level even with just the level itself it still seemed to lower it for my claw ninja
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Post by 『Acedia』 on Mar 3, 2017 5:13:09 GMT
You will be able to get up to around -2 delay just with dream song o.o I'm not sure if i got the math right q.q (even though i used a calculator ._.) so, correct me if I'm wrong >.< i think somethings wrong i mean : was wrong Song Lore info: Knowledge of songs. Increase MaxMp and auto MP Hidden: Increase max song by 1 per lv and boost stats by song by = ? |
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Post by ∙°Emi°∙ [lurking on forum] on Mar 3, 2017 6:13:49 GMT
You will be able to get up to around -2 delay just with dream song o.o I'm not sure if i got the math right q.q (even though i used a calculator ._.) so, correct me if I'm wrong >.< i think somethings wrong i mean : was wrong Song Lore info: Knowledge of songs. Increase MaxMp and auto MP Hidden: Increase max song by 1 per lv and boost stats by song by = ? Sorry o.o I'm not quite following. My skill delay drastically decreases after casting dream song and the same happens for others (with high dex) who have dream song casted on as well. Also, I am able to spam songs even in dragonewt set w/bish's quick and mins' dream song which I'm not able to with only bishop's quick. Could you clarify on what's wrong? Edit: I'm not sure if I understand but do you mean delay has something to do with hidden of song lore? 'Increase max song by 1 per lvl and boost stats by song by = (dream)'? |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 10:48:07 GMT
i think somethings wrong i mean : was wrong Song Lore info: Knowledge of songs. Increase MaxMp and auto MP Hidden: Increase max song by 1 per lv and boost stats by song by = ? Sorry o.o I'm not quite following. My skill delay drastically decreases after casting dream song and the same happens for others (with high dex) who have dream song casted on as well. Also, I am able to spam songs even in dragonewt set w/bish's quick and mins' dream song which I'm not able to with only bishop's quick. Could you clarify on what's wrong? Edit: I'm not sure if I understand but do you mean delay has something to do with hidden of song lore? 'Increase max song by 1 per lvl and boost stats by song by = (dream)'? |
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Post by ∙°Emi°∙ [lurking on forum] on Mar 3, 2017 16:23:08 GMT
@ewpeople
That may be true, but even if it does add a few points to all stats, that wouldn't explain the fact how much skill delay increases/decreases depending on dex and lvl and the amount of delay differs for each person.
Also, my delay only decreases after casting dream and not with other songs no matter which order I cast songs in.
(28 dex wouldn't work unless Song Lore has hidden specifically about dream song, because the other songs do not affect my delay.)
Lastly, my info may be wrong, but when i calculated the -delay I get with my own dex and lvl, it seemed to be right.
But I can try a few more tests to see the exact -delay I get in a few hours when i can go online.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 3, 2017 19:07:01 GMT
@ewpeople That may be true, but even if it does add a few points to all stats, that wouldn't explain the fact how much skill delay increases/decreases depending on dex and lvl and the amount of delay differs for each person. Also, my delay only decreases after casting dream and not with other songs no matter which order I cast songs in. (28 dex wouldn't work unless Song Lore has hidden specifically about dream song, because the other songs do not affect my delay.) Lastly, my info may be wrong, but when i calculated the -delay I get with my own dex and lvl, it seemed to be right. But I can try a few more tests to see the exact -delay I get in a few hours when i can go online. |
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Post by ∙°Emi°∙ [lurking on forum] on Mar 3, 2017 19:24:22 GMT
@ewpeople That may be true, but even if it does add a few points to all stats, that wouldn't explain the fact how much skill delay increases/decreases depending on dex and lvl and the amount of delay differs for each person. Also, my delay only decreases after casting dream and not with other songs no matter which order I cast songs in. (28 dex wouldn't work unless Song Lore has hidden specifically about dream song, because the other songs do not affect my delay.) Lastly, my info may be wrong, but when i calculated the -delay I get with my own dex and lvl, it seemed to be right. But I can try a few more tests to see the exact -delay I get in a few hours when i can go online. Ohh I see. Sorry as well, seems like I jumped to conclusion x.x |
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Post by 『Acedia』 on Mar 3, 2017 19:54:54 GMT
i mean the formula was wrong ![]() #1: dream song notes : 消費MP1(MP COST 1) スキルディレイ+1秒(Skill Delay +1sec) and not 3秒(notes from jp wiki nyan :3) #2: was a big NO caz Guild link : Depending on the guild level, status is increased only slightly. Automatic trigger guild level 20 or more (and +3 +2 +1 GLv20, in GLv40, in GLv60 …) +1 for all status ※ guild level 20 'Increase max song by 1 per lvl and boost stats by song by = (dream)'? As it has been explained on Wiki regarding Song Lore: LV160から199まで1曲あたりALLステータス+7 200から1曲あたりALLステータス+8 40毎に+1? ※ミンストレルの歌1曲あたりのステータス上昇量について Lv239～249までAll+9、Lv250からAll+10 on my test Song Lore appears to distribute about around 11.3 to 11.5 stat points at all stat for the first song (by testin dmg/calculatin hp by vit) and plus 10 on rest or maybe Dream gives stats too?
Nope by doin multiple test on special weapons and normal weapons atk rise by songs with dream and w/o dream still same. i do test on Dream Song skill delay too but cant find formula :< Final Results:it looks Dream song reduce cd by -0.39 in total for me. who knows maybe you can find the mysterious formula (I timed it by counting the seconds it took for the buff bar to disappear) ↓ ps: forgot to eat my dinner n now i feel tired T^T |
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Post by ∙°Emi°∙ [lurking on forum] on Mar 4, 2017 0:57:09 GMT
『Acedia』 Taking into account all the stat (dex) bonus I get from guild / song lore etc, the formula seems to be about right for my minstrel. I'm supposed to get around -1.26 delay (following the formula, no dex bonus from guild / song lore) can't get the max dex because I'm on lvling/apos stat atm q.qAll my songs need around -7 delay. after dream song, I only needed -5.15 delay. Which means, delay decreased by around 1.85 sec
(seems about right if I counted stat bonus from guild / passive song lore)
Then, I tried singing other songs (requires same -delay) after wisdom / cleave / warrior songs, ( was too lazy to try all 11 active buff songs o.o/) I still needed around -7 delay I thought liberation song would make a slight difference in skill delay but I got the same result as any other songs (except dream) Next, To test the original +delay we get, I tried dream song on lvl 15, adventurer no stat distributed character with mini heal from veltria (★Quick Cool). If the formula is correct, I'm supposed to get around +2.85 delay after dream. I need around -3.81 delay to cast mini heal without any songs / songs other than dream. after dream song, I needed around -6.62 delay Which means, delay increased by around 2.81 sec.*These results had been timed multiple times. (average time) Ultimately, after all the tests I've done, I would say it's likely that the formula from jp blog is correct, but I can't 100% say for sure.
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