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Post by cerulain on Sept 15, 2017 1:08:47 GMT
I would agree to ninja not being able to survive as long as assassins. Ninja has the worst survivability of all jobs. Damage wise, I wouldn't agree. SK out damages backstab, and thats without Phantom. I've a lot of respect for assassins and I will continue to do so, but in terms of overall damage - they are near pointless. A friend of mine, 355 assassin has "top tier" gear and gets out damaged by 320+ SK ninjas. Always. It's disgusting.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Sept 15, 2017 1:21:19 GMT
If you talk about single damage, yes sk can do more damage than sin. BUT look again their dps, today sin beat sk in term of dps. Have you seen sk kill raton, anis, or even other high lv boss less than 10 sec? I could say sin beat sk in term of dps since they didnt need break time to re clone (which takes time around 2-3sec).
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Post by Fatima on Sept 15, 2017 1:44:05 GMT
I read this thread out of curiosity yet I don't see the so-called guide. Looks either like the autor intended to focus on the 4 major backstab stats or make a walk-through about the assassin path and every detail included with. First of all, our class has been revised, and the backstab[rear, lv2] (hereafter just backstab) now has a multiplier of 5.5x white damage and an increase of 18% per hit after first backstab due Assault. also if memory serves me well, Hawkeye DEX raise is not counted with the delay reduction, only real allocated DEX stat points do(limited to former cap 256). Regarding Venom Fist, let's look at it as a mean to weaken foes, it duplicates its poison damage per use until reach 100k; pretty handy with high def mobs. So anyways I'm feeling kinda disappointed by this, specially when someone says is his own experience and I come to think: " where have you been all this time? I'm prone to be touchy when someone attempts (inadvertiently perhaps) to render my class worthless. People tend to generalize, and if only a single member of your class displays bad traits(this particular case; lack of information, experience), you get dragged along. Yet I acknowledge that this is a great Assassin User Manual allowing to see every aspect from stats to skills and their effects in one unified thread. No need to have several tabs open! Good job making this, just be careful next time about the information posted. Small details can potentially make players get the wrong gear. Should probably take your rage out on Asobimo. With ninja having SK, or backstab for dummies, and clones, it renders Assassin pretty much dead, useless and buried forever. Even with the upcoming, apparent, change to backstab to teleport the assassin. I really should. Asobimo is even planning on taking away our only mean of excitement! I think is a dumb move to suit the job to users by automatic rear teleporting. ...'are you unable to land a rear to rear backstab? Pick another class, assassin is not meant for you' is what asobimo should have said.
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Post by Ravitox on Sept 16, 2017 4:13:31 GMT
Should probably take your rage out on Asobimo. With ninja having SK, or backstab for dummies, and clones, it renders Assassin pretty much dead, useless and buried forever. Even with the upcoming, apparent, change to backstab to teleport the assassin. I really should. Asobimo is even planning on taking away our only mean of excitement! I think is a dumb move to suit the job to users by automatic rear teleporting. ...'are you unable to land a rear to rear backstab? Pick another class, assassin is not meant for you' is what asobimo should have said. C'mon guys, each to their own. Although the teleporting does sound a bit sad, the apparent new skills should include poison upgrades as well, so that should still be exciting! Let's not bash magic ninjas like this on an assassin thread. Didn't many of us pick this class because it was one of the most difficult yet most rewarding? Being a sin is definitely something to be proud of, but I'm sure there are people who grinded to 300 as a magic ninja in order to become SK. Let's just respect each individual's playstyle
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Post by Fatima on Sept 16, 2017 17:42:25 GMT
I really should. Asobimo is even planning on taking away our only mean of excitement! I think is a dumb move to suit the job to users by automatic rear teleporting. ...'are you unable to land a rear to rear backstab? Pick another class, assassin is not meant for you' is what asobimo should have said. C'mon guys, each to their own. Although the teleporting does sound a bit sad, the apparent new skills should include poison upgrades as well, so that should still be exciting! Let's not bash magic ninjas like this on an assassin thread. Didn't many of us pick this class because it was one of the most difficult yet most rewarding? Being a sin is definitely something to be proud of, but I'm sure there are people who grinded to 300 as a magic ninja in order to become SK. Let's just respect each individual's playstyle Well, my experience is one of the weirdest you can found out there. At first my assassin was meant to be an experimental sniper (stuck at the app sin/sniper) which was a total failure. Short time after I picked the sin path for once and for all ignoring people 'advices' of assassin being a hard/expensive class; the rest can easily be figured out. So although I didn't pick assassin based on difficult, I can confidently say that it was the right choice for me. I'm proud of it. π Edit: Ravitox, can we exchange the hypothetical inclusion of poison with backstab 3? That would be really awesome!! ππ
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Post by Ravitox on Sept 16, 2017 22:05:51 GMT
Well, my experience is one of the weirdest you can found out there. At first my assassin was meant to be an experimental sniper (stuck at the app sin/sniper) which was a total failure. Short time after I picked the sin path for once and for all ignoring people 'advices' of assassin being a hard/expensive class; the rest can easily be figured out. So although I didn't pick assassin based on difficult, I can confidently say that it was the right choice for me. I'm proud of it. π Edit: Ravitox , can we exchange the hypothetical inclusion of poison with backstab 3? That would be really awesome!! ππ FatimaWell, from what I understand about the possible new skills (which was on an earlier announcement post by yazmat) there was the increase in poison damage, this "blade of poison" thing, and the teleportation. I understood it as best I could with bad translations, but it seemed to be giving each backstab a chance to poison instead of having to use the old venom attack from the hunter skills. Would you happen to know anything about it?
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Post by Fatima on Sept 17, 2017 4:37:18 GMT
RavitoxI think that I came across a picture provided by the same community contributor months ago. It looked like new skills were moving around poison state but to be honest, I didn't quite understand the specific circumstances for each skill to proc the special state. I hope it procs by itself the same way assault does. The only thing I somehow understood was about Shadow Mist(?) I'm guessing is a shadow walk combo, like a mean to escape while inflicting damage, but once again makes a reference to poison state, so I think it enhances the poison in the already poisoned mob... or maybe not π We'll find out in couple months, I hope that at least -as you said- the new skills add some excitement to our game play. Still I think that backstab 3 is potentially more desirable among the assassin community.
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Post by Dahnz on Oct 5, 2017 4:26:50 GMT
Awesome guide! ^-^
I'd say another con is that it's hard to find a PT to level with due to single target only.
Oh well. I still love this class.
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Post by Ravitox on Oct 10, 2017 6:09:37 GMT
Awesome guide! ^-^ I'd say another con is that it's hard to find a PT to level with due to single target only. Oh well. I still love this class. I love your signature. Most creative thing I've seen all day xD I am going to be very biased, but strangely enough, I am always in a party. But I think it's because my guild has a lot of people, and we all kind of party each other so we always have a fast party. Perhaps it's more that I have a reliable partying source group of people? #buildcommunities I do have to admit, just looking for party on the say chat as an assassin is terribly terribly terrible. But of course, that's the charm of an assassin. People wanting to party a sin for grinds is uncommon, but nobody wants anything but a sin when it comes to farming expensive rares. Especially boss Xtals. And then it's like "where'd the sins go?" The single target really just adds to the charm. I think that'll be my new phrase or something. "charm".
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Post by spazze on Oct 16, 2017 0:22:25 GMT
Correction on dex: First of all, the minimum skill delay on most skills is 0.5 seconds, not 1 second. Secondly, Dex does not give -0.5 delay every 20 dex. If it did then we wouldn't need delay sets. Ever.
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Post by pingrek on Oct 16, 2017 0:29:35 GMT
Correction on dex: First of all, the minimum skill delay on most skills is 0.5 seconds, not 1 second. Secondly, Dex does not give -0.5 delay every 20 dex. If it did then we wouldn't need delay sets. Ever. It is stated on I think colon tree xtal that skill delay can't be reduced below 1 sec so all skills at fastest have a 1 sec cooldown, and if your speaking for that specific dex to skill delay reduction it is for backstab skill only since most skills follow different formulas if dex affects the skill delay so that formula is true for sins backstab only that's why delay sets are needed depending on the skills you seek to have lowest delay
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Post by Rocketpower on Oct 16, 2017 12:59:03 GMT
Correction on dex: First of all, the minimum skill delay on most skills is 0.5 seconds, not 1 second. Secondly, Dex does not give -0.5 delay every 20 dex. If it did then we wouldn't need delay sets. Ever. lol
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Post by hades18 on Nov 22, 2018 2:28:02 GMT
would u recommend overcapping crit with apos now rn im trying to overcap my strength and int and get my dex to at least 140 but don't k what to do wih extra points after that
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Post by NightBreeze on Nov 22, 2018 6:31:50 GMT
would u recommend overcapping crit with apos now rn im trying to overcap my strength and int and get my dex to at least 140 but don't k what to do wih extra points after that INT CRT STR are the main assassin stats and should be as high as apostolia allows you to get them.
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Post by hades18 on Nov 22, 2018 16:15:18 GMT
would u recommend overcapping crit with apos now rn im trying to overcap my strength and int and get my dex to at least 140 but don't k what to do wih extra points after that INT CRT STR are the main assassin stats and should be as high as apostolia allows you to get them. kk thanks nightbreeze
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