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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 15, 2016 5:53:03 GMT
Gladiator is odd. Looking at earlier skills it seemed as if they were intended to be a DPS class originally. When Pillar Blade came out it made them basically number 1 overall in every aspect for a little while. Then Tempest happened which was a further improvement, but then...Weird stuff happened. Hardskin had come out around this time as well, then more tank oriented skills came out and it morphed into a tank. No idea why they decided to go this route lol. But in any case with Enchanters being buffed Gladiator is now at the bottom lol. I've seen this skill updates for Gladiator and I've just been like "Why are they getting MORE tank skills?". THANK YOU!!! Finally someone who PIE realized what the hell happened!!! Trying to explain to people who've never built gladiator or experience the class through the years, this fact... Is impossible... They just cant wrap their heads around it... |
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Post by ManaKhe on Dec 15, 2016 6:59:05 GMT
Gladiator is odd. Looking at earlier skills it seemed as if they were intended to be a DPS class originally. When Pillar Blade came out it made them basically number 1 overall in every aspect for a little while. Then Tempest happened which was a further improvement, but then...Weird stuff happened. Hardskin had come out around this time as well, then more tank oriented skills came out and it morphed into a tank. No idea why they decided to go this route lol. But in any case with Enchanters being buffed Gladiator is now at the bottom lol. I've seen this skill updates for Gladiator and I've just been like "Why are they getting MORE tank skills?". THANK YOU!!! Finally someone who PIE realized what the hell happened!!! Trying to explain to people who've never built gladiator or experience the class through the years, this fact... Is impossible... They just cant wrap their heads around it...  I will say I've never played Glad before haha. I've just seen it happen as I've played through the years. I'll also add that they aren't like...*desperately* in need of a buff but they do need one. I guess just making it need less skill delay and also make it do full damage on regular mobs as well would suffice really. Also add a level 2 and they would be fine probably. I'm also a big fan of taking out the herp derp(See:Qadal, Bloodthirst, Oath, Zero Ray. Also Finishing Stroke before this patch) in skills overall. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 7:42:20 GMT
Gladiator is really great class DPS and Tanking (on a mediocre type) but the lack of attention towards it made my decision to quit playing swords.
But doesnt mean the class sucks now. its still great but honestly cannot be compared to others' dps especially these recent updates.
But, keep your hopes high, I'm thinking that they'll be adjusting everyone skills.
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Post by bravebor on Dec 15, 2016 10:26:29 GMT
Not going to quote the post that said this because too lazy to XD.... Just quoting you in general you are right that any class can tank or solo with proper gears but those proper gears for the most part usually make their dps lower by a lot with a few exceptions though you say all those classes have more damage?pally doesn't maybe it has higher 1 shot damage but it has lower dps as pointed out by others previously and you agreed until it became convenient for you not to bishop as well doesn't have higher dps nor beast knight nor servant and even enchanter has lower both tankyness and dps unless you sacrifice even more survival and even then that requires you to have 6 element sets and that's not just weapons like gladiator sin or sniper that's 6 sets of weapons armors adds and depending on your play style possibly slot specs as well even then even then its by chance since autoskills don't proc every hit all at once every time and spoilers its Not aoe also spoilers that's only after the recent patch to them who's to say the patch to glad skills won't make them as strong as if not stronger than pillar or sword tempest lvl 2 would? Am i really going to do this again with someone who doesn't own a gladiator (300+ gladi)? Doesn't anyone find it just a bit ignorant to start giving opinions about things they have no experience in? Lets just be clear: dps = damage per second, damage per second means how much damage is dealt in one hit. Dpm = damage per minute, this mrans how much damage is dealt in one minute. First lets answer the question about pallies, whether i agreed or not the facts are in the numbers, and its true i didn't know how hard pallies can hit Now these days pallies can hit around 2.5m but ive even seen some do 2.8m+ damage, now for arguments sake we will use the lower of these (2.5m) because these numbers would varey depending on mob/boss Now it takes 10 seconds to hit KO off, lets take gladiator damage per second with tempest - 150-180k per second depending on boss (i wont include mob as pillar is not even in the same league for damage). Now im going to be good to you here because im really getting fed up of going through this with people who dont have a clue what their talking about due to sheer lack of experience, ill take the highest gladiator damage and add another 10k on top. So gladiator hitting 190k per second for 10 seconds until pally hits his move... gladiator damage after 10 seconds = 1.9m (absolute max/ slightly fictional damage) Pally damage after 10 seconds = 2.5m+. You can do the math for 1 minute but i can assure you pally wins. ---- Next part, yes those gears make their dps LOWER like you say but they have the damn option don't they? To give you further example... Monk has option to be easy death high damage geo... Or low damage high survival rush... They have a choice. Enchy can be mblade or auto Even bish has a choice... But what choice does a gladi have to hit harder at the cost of survival? None. If you choose to be a monk or a ninja or a hw/bish/enchy ect ect ect..... You can switch between survival and damage types. If you choose gladiator you are stuck as low damage high survival, you have no option. At least with most other classes you have an option. This is the biggest indication that asobimo doesn't care at all about gladiators, most classes (especially damage based) have 2 builds to choose between. We have just one, this and the very lazy skill updates they gave us for 300 skills. ---- Third stage I really dont know what they will do for tempest 2 or pillar 2 because i dont work for asobimo, for all anyone knows they plan to nurf gladiator survival in next patch because they want to? How can anyone be sure? I dont speculate on things i have no clue about, like unannounced updates or classes i haven't built  . ----- Last stage - i don't include minstrel, bk or servant for two reasons and i would think that the first one would be fairly obvious Minstrel and servant are pure support classes and you can hardly compare this, i would include bishops but bishop mob damage is above gladiator and they have the OPTION to utilize correct gear for boss survival. Second reason is bk and servant dont have their next skills yet, the 300 ones, when they do (in April) im sure bk would be shifted above gladiator if they dont patch us by then. Also i do put gladiator for the moment above those classes... But thats a pritty poor place to be if you ask me. You might wonder what makes me qualified to say this about gladiators? Because i spent 3 years building it. - i have a tendency on being honest with myself and not trying to lie to myself about certain things in life. If you want to be qualified to talk to me about this then your going to need to be a level 300+ gladiator and experience everything i have ever said on this whole damn subject for yourself. Aside from this if your going to revive sleeping topics you would do well to pm the person you want to talk to. Done with this topic or even taking anything you say seriously until you build a high level gladiator (anyone can mq and say "look i have one", high level =300+) Fyi enchy does more dpm and survival is just as good as gladiator so i really dont know what your talking about with enchy. Oath can't be ranged by dpm as you would suggest as it is rarely used successivley. Against bosses yeah it prolly has an upper hand, against mobs glad still beats it... |
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Post by Crysta|'s hubby on Dec 15, 2016 10:26:36 GMT
Not even going to bother reading that post passed what I did XD you say its ignorant to talkabout it without making one OK don't talk about any class that you haven't made 300+ yourself and then you can fairly say that otherwise you are just being hypocritical glad dps still trumps ench IMO and they have aoe at that even if sword tempest is derped on mobs not to mention the fact GLADIATOR STILL HAS THEIR UPDATE COMING unlike sin ench samu and sniper let me see you make a 300+ of each of them then you can talk about how they are better than gladiator ^^ try mqing a sniper and sin then try lvling an ench without aoe XD
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 15, 2016 10:50:08 GMT
Not even going to bother reading that post passed what I did XD you say its ignorant to talkabout it without making one OK don't talk about any class that you haven't made 300+ yourself and then you can fairly say that otherwise you are just being hypocritical glad dps still trumps ench IMO and they have aoe at that even if sword tempest is derped on mobs not to mention the fact GLADIATOR STILL HAS THEIR UPDATE COMING unlike sin ench samu and sniper let me see you make a 300+ of each of them then you can talk about how they are better than gladiator ^^ try mqing a sniper and sin then try lvling an ench without aoe XD How do you know gladiator has any update coming? Where is your proof of this? For all we know they dont plan to patch any more classes?they haven't announced anything on the blog so how do you know? And how do you know what updates gladiator will get? Do you workfor asobimo? If you're so sure we're gonna get good patches why did they shaft us for 300 skills? Either you know either know something nobody else does or your argument is a guessing game of what might happen and in that case yes we are done with this convo. |
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Post by Arata on Dec 15, 2016 11:03:05 GMT
Pls don't say something like M.Blade is similar as other class "active attack" skill.
It's completely different, why? BCS M.Blade can never out damage Ench's Auto Attack.
Meanwhile, other class "active attack" skill such as Samurai skill, can out damage their Auto Attack.
Samurai vs Almas.
Can M.Blade do the same thing like that Samurai Skill?? Play the role as finishing move before Almas debuff your skill? Surely no, and it's impossible.
(Why I compare this M.Blade with other Class skill, bcs Enchanter "main" damage dealer skill is only Magic Blade. Illness hit only usefull when you are in Ailment mode, meanwhile qadal skill delay is a mehhhh....)
What does this means?
The answer is different from many Ench.
But if you ask me, I'll say that M.Blade isn't mean to be the main source of damage for Enchanter. It's a secondary way to deal a damage so It's just a second option. Morever, M.Blade spammer who use TANK Equipment has lower M.Blade Damage. And I bet It's less than 50k. In fact, M.Blade spammer who use TANK equipment can only have damage +-50k with spell boost which means, their TANK capabilities become lower bcs of spell boost downside stats.
Meanwhile, Other "KNIGHT" Decendant Class in TANK mode has a higher damage.
So, M.Blade is completely not similar with gladi tempest. Even M.Blade lvl2 can't out damage tempest.
If you don't believe me, then try searching any random gladi solo boss video, maybe Osieta Girl video.
Then bring your enchanter and try solo the same boss with only using M.Blade. Let us see, can you defeat that boss faster than Osieta Girl's Gladiator???
(I'll choose Sauro 350 for this challenge, bcs this boss force both Gladiator and Enchanter to use their Tank Equipment, If they don't use their Tank Equipment, They will surely got beaten so badly by that Old Man.)
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 15, 2016 11:51:38 GMT
Pls don't say something like M.Blade is similar as other class "active attack" skill. It's completely not similar why? BCS M.Blade can never out damage Ench's Auto Attack. Meanwhile, other class "active attack" skill such as Samurai skill, can out damage their Auto Attack. What does this means? The answer is different from many Ench. But if you ask me, I'll say that bcs M.Blade isn't mean to be the main source of damage for Enchanter. It's a secondary way to deal a damage so It's just a second option. Morever, M.Blade spammer who use TANK Equipment has lower M.Blade Damage. And I bet It's less than 50k. In fact, M.Blade spammer who use TANK equipment can only have damage +-50k with spell boost which means, their TANK capabilities become lower bcs of spell boost downside stats. Meanwhile, Other "KNIGHT" Decendant Class in TANK mode has a higher damage. So, M.Blade is completely not similar with gladi tempest. Even M.Blade lvl2 can't out damage tempest. If you don't believe me, then try searching any random gladi solo boss video, maybe Osieta Girl video. Then bring your enchanter and try solo the same boss with only using M.Blade. Let us see, can you defeat that boss faster than Osieta Girl's Gladiator??? (I'll choose Sauro 350 for this challenge, bcs this boss force both Gladiator and Enchanter to use their Tank Equipment, If they don't use their Tank Equipment, They will surely got beaten so badly by that Old Man.) If we're talking about bosses then yeah tempest can do slightly more damage per minute than enchy. This is only granted if gladiator uses agi build which doesn't really help us to tank mobs at all and tempest doesn't do damage on mobs so if gladiator wants higher tempest damage on bosses they must trade in survival on mobs but also we must sacrifice damage on mobs too. Why damage? Because to get higher tempest we need 256 agi. This makes our eva real high, this lowers our damage on mobs, because ot costs us cross counter that reflects between 40 to 55k depending on the mob every hit. So for us to gain that bigger tempest damage on bosses you are talking about it costs us survival and it costs us damage. This is further made complicated when you look at the cost of making a gladiator that can utilize tempest effectively (3b+) - thats not including multiple ele swords and gear we need or 2s stuff. I know all classes have their benefits but surely you can see that gladiator at leaat for now has the lower hand here. If we take damage out of the equation what else has enchanter or any other class that gladiator has not? Party value... gladiator has no value in party, we can't heal outside of an autoskill heal that isn't really reliable on bosses to keep a pt alive and we have very limited buffs that we can share with others, all of which ppl can get from otger classes (none of gladiator aoe buffs are exclusive to just us, this further hurts our value in pt). Now we've manage to establish that gladiator has better survivability... But when you look at the tempest build switch you will notice the survivability of gladi on mobs drops significantly (this further hurts our value in pt) Also mob damage drops too as stated before... This whole thing is made even worse when you realize how hard it is to solo grind from after mq (251 atm) to a level in which you can start soloing bosses without dying. That is why most give up, that is why theres probably 3 or 4 times as many enchy in iruna than gladiator... Because anyone who attemps to make one quits before they reach 300. Even my friend who use to say exactly the same as all you doubters now fully agrees with me after trying to build gladi. When i compare gladi to other class i dont just look at dps... Aside from survival gladiator is lacking in every single department We are missing: 1 dps 2 versatility/options with build choice 3 party value via decent exclusive aoe buffs (dont say warcry as other classes have it too) 4 skills worth working towards after 260. (This is actually the biggest reason why most gladi give up after 260) Even if they patch gladi, the last two options wont be resolved without NEW skills... That wont be coming in any patches. So fed up of this debate. Just running around in circles. |
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Post by Arata on Dec 15, 2016 12:11:37 GMT
I was talking about M.Blade spammer vs Gladiator not Auto Attack Enchanter vs Gladiator.
So, If you compare M.Blade vs Gladiator, you'll see Gladiator win with only their lvl1 Tempest/Pillar.
I just want to underline this.
Samurai skill spammer can kill as fast as (or even faster than) Samurai auto attack
Monk Geo spammer can kill as fast as (or even faster than) Monk Rush
Ninja skill spammer can kill faster than Ninja auto attack
Other knight decendant:
Pally Oath obviously can kill faster than Pally auto attack
Assassin BS obviously can kill faster than Assassin auto attack
Sniper skill spammer obviously can kill faster than Sniper auto attack
Also Gladiator skill spammer can kill faster than Gladiator auto attack
And here we got.
Enchanter skill spammer (M.Blade/Qadal) will never be able to kill as fast as Enchanter auto.
That's why M.Blade is completely different.
I told you about this bcs I don't want other player who don't know about Enchanter will think that M.Blade works the same as Other Class Active Attack skill. Bcs if they think like that, they will get disappointed when they realize, M.Blade damage is not as high as they think.
So, eventho Echanter got M.Blade lvl 2, it's not something that will make you feels wow. Bcs as I said, It's not the main source of damage for Enchanter.
This is my reason to burst in.
My other reason is, you want Gladiator to get tempest lv2 "SAME" as M.Blade lv2 Enchanter as If Tempest is the same thing as M.Blade, while tempest lv1 can outdamage M.Blade lv2 Enchanter. If you didn't mention M.Blade level2 or comparing it with Gladiator skill in your previous post, I will not post this here.
Edited:
That's the thing that happened to me when I was playing Enchanter for the first time. I thought m.blade works the same as other class active attack skill and took m.blade spammer path. In the end I realized I was wrong, completely wrong! That's why I switch to auto attack now.
FYI, if Gladiator can "casually" deal more than 150k damage from their skill, right now Enchanter is struggling to deal more than 100k M.Blade Damage especially in boss field.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 13:35:14 GMT
Not going to quote the post that said this because too lazy to XD.... Just quoting you in general you are right that any class can tank or solo with proper gears but those proper gears for the most part usually make their dps lower by a lot with a few exceptions though you say all those classes have more damage?pally doesn't maybe it has higher 1 shot damage but it has lower dps as pointed out by others previously and you agreed until it became convenient for you not to bishop as well doesn't have higher dps nor beast knight nor servant and even enchanter has lower both tankyness and dps unless you sacrifice even more survival and even then that requires you to have 6 element sets and that's not just weapons like gladiator sin or sniper that's 6 sets of weapons armors adds and depending on your play style possibly slot specs as well even then even then its by chance since autoskills don't proc every hit all at once every time and spoilers its Not aoe also spoilers that's only after the recent patch to them who's to say the patch to glad skills won't make them as strong as if not stronger than pillar or sword tempest lvl 2 would? Am i really going to do this again with someone who doesn't own a gladiator (300+ gladi)? Doesn't anyone find it just a bit ignorant to start giving opinions about things they have no experience in? Lets just be clear: dps = damage per second, damage per second means how much damage is dealt in one hit. Dpm = damage per minute, this mrans how much damage is dealt in one minute.
DPM = Damage Per Minute - How much damage you dealt in one minute
DPS = Damage Per Second - How much damage you dealt in one second, not one hit. You even calculated it a few paragraphs after. Just didn't want misleading info to go out.
I have nothing against you, it's just the grammar naz! in me. I'm sorry if I offended you. That is all. |
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 15, 2016 13:51:39 GMT
I was talking about M.Blade spammer vs Gladiator not Auto Attack Enchanter vs Gladiator. So, If you compare M.Blade vs Gladiator, you'll see Gladiator win with only their lvl1 Tempest/Pillar. I just want to underline this. Samurai skill spammer can kill as fast as (or even faster than) Samurai auto attack Monk Geo spammer can kill as fast as (or even faster than) Monk Rush Ninja skill spammer can kill faster than Ninja auto attack Other knight decendant: Pally Oath obviously can kill faster than Pally auto attack Assassin BS obviously can kill faster than Assassin auto attack Sniper skill spammer obviously can kill faster than Sniper auto attack Also Gladiator skill spammer can kill faster than Gladiator auto attack And here we got. Enchanter skill spammer (M.Blade/Qadal) will never be able to kill as fast as Enchanter auto. That's why M.Blade is completely different. I told you about this bcs I don't want other player who don't know about Enchanter will think that M.Blade works the same as Other Class Active Attack skill. Bcs if they think like that, they will get disappointed when they realize, M.Blade damage is not as high as they think. So, eventho Echanter got M.Blade lvl 2, it's not something that will make you feels wow. Bcs as I said, It's not the main source of damage for Enchanter. This is my reason to burst in. My other reason is, you want Gladiator to get tempest lv2 "SAME" as M.Blade lv2 Enchanter as If Tempest is the same thing as M.Blade, while tempest lv1 can outdamage M.Blade lv2 Enchanter. If you didn't mention M.Blade level2 or comparing it with Gladiator skill in your previous post, I will not post this here. Edited: That's the thing that happened to me when I was playing Enchanter for the first time. I thought m.blade works the same as other class active attack skill and took m.blade spammer path. In the end I realized I was wrong, completely wrong! That's why I switch to auto attack now. FYI, if Gladiator can "casually" deal more than 150k damage from their skill, right now Enchanter is struggling to deal more than 100k M.Blade Damage especially in boss field. Omfg you are fixated on one class and one skill!!! Let me try to open your mind on this a bit because you dont seem to understand the bigger point here. Okay so lets pretend that mblade does win and it puts gladiator above enchanter damage (even though I've seen enchanter deal more dmg on mobs but oh well, lets pretend that you're right). But this really isn't just about one thing like i just said, this is about many different issues. Its about gladiator issues as a whole - if your only basis for debate is one enchy skill when im talking about every single aspect that makes gladiator a poor class, you should stop the debate because your point is far to small to matter on the larger scale. So we've said that mblade has less damage, but what party value...? Lets take a look at that enchanter value in party... Enchy party value: 1 high level survival with good damage and solo boss capacity. 2 enchy can mp heal 3 enchy can hp heal 4 enchy can use stone skin on others 5 enchy can boost autoskill for pt 6 enchy can boost ele damage. 7 can provide others with reflect damage Gladiator party value 1 high level survival with good damage and solo boss capacity. 2 can heal hp (based on autoskill) 3 can boost dmg&hp via warcry 4 can provide others with cross counter. (All this makes enchy not only easier to build but more fun too) Now if you really want to get into this i could talk about why enchy having mblade 2 is better purely because it gives reasons for ppl to continue to level enchy to 300+... Enchy has a goal they can work towards. What goal would you work towards after you hit 260 with your gladi? What goals would make you want to level your gladi to 300+? Now like i said before if your only basis for this debate is one skill (mblade) then and only one subject (dps) revolving around one class (enchy) then you dhould stop the debate because this runs much deeper than that. And you need to just stop because it means nothing to me, as does any point you make about that one skill... You're totally missing the bigger point. Every class has a party value... Some classes have value through damage and others through buffs... Gladiator is the only class that has no value in party for either. |
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 15, 2016 13:52:39 GMT
Am i really going to do this again with someone who doesn't own a gladiator (300+ gladi)? Doesn't anyone find it just a bit ignorant to start giving opinions about things they have no experience in? Lets just be clear: dps = damage per second, damage per second means how much damage is dealt in one hit. Dpm = damage per minute, this mrans how much damage is dealt in one minute.
DPM = Damage Per Minute - How much damage you dealt in one minute
DPS = Damage Per Second - How much damage you dealt in one second, not one hit. You even calculated it a few paragraphs after. Just didn't want misleading info to go out.
I have nothing against you, it's just the grammar naz! in me. I'm sorry if I offended you. That is all.Haha none taken, yeah thats cool thanks for the correction  Dps normally does mean what someone would deal in one hit... Dps is damage dealt in that one second. So the moment the skill is used. But yeah shoulda made that clear ty. |
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Post by Arata on Dec 15, 2016 13:59:09 GMT
Read again my last post.
This part.
""I told you about this bcs I don't want other player who don't know about Enchanter will think that M.Blade works the same as Other Class Active Attack skill. Bcs if they think like that, they will get disappointed when they realize, M.Blade damage is not as high as they think.
So, eventho Echanter got M.Blade lvl 2, it's not something that will make you feels wow. Bcs as I said, It's not the main source of damage for Enchanter.
This is my reason to burst in.
My other reason is, you want Gladiator to get tempest lv2 "SAME" as M.Blade lv2 Enchanter as If Tempest is the same thing as M.Blade, while tempest lv1 can outdamage M.Blade lv2 Enchanter. If you didn't mention M.Blade level2 or comparing it with Gladiator skill in your previous post, I will not post this here.""
I don't have an issues about your reason why gladiator falls behind other class.
I only want to correct your view about Magic Blade. It can mislead other player. So that's why I corrected it and explained it why Magic Blade is "inferior skill" when you compare it with gladiator tempest/pillar.
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 15, 2016 14:06:33 GMT
Read again my last post. This part. ""I told you about this bcs I don't want other player who don't know about Enchanter will think that M.Blade works the same as Other Class Active Attack skill. Bcs if they think like that, they will get disappointed when they realize, M.Blade damage is not as high as they think. So, eventho Echanter got M.Blade lvl 2, it's not something that will make you feels wow. Bcs as I said, It's not the main source of damage for Enchanter. This is my reason to burst in. My other reason is, you want Gladiator to get tempest lv2 "SAME" as M.Blade lv2 Enchanter as If Tempest is the same thing as M.Blade, while tempest lv1 can outdamage M.Blade lv2 Enchanter. If you didn't mention M.Blade level2 or comparing it with Gladiator skill in your previous post, I will not post this here."" I don't have an issues about your reason why gladiator falls behind other class. I only want to correct your view about Magic Blade. It can mislead other player. So that's why I corrected it and explained it why Magic Blade is "inferior skill" when you compare it with gladiator tempest/pillar. Okay yeah i get your point about mblade, it deals less damage on bosses (but only on bosses)... What about mobs? Does mblade deal more damage than tempest on mobs? Considered killing mobs matters more than bosses.. Which skill is better for mobs? You seem to think of damage dealing as something you only do on bosses? But the main issue gladiator has is leveling past 260 with no good mob damage skills and no party value. So lets just establish that mblade does more damage than tempest on mobs... Then lets also establish that mblade does more damage on mobs than pillar (because it does).. Then you think about everything else i said about party value and you put it all together... Smh... |
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 15, 2016 14:13:09 GMT
Read again my last post. This part. ""I told you about this bcs I don't want other player who don't know about Enchanter will think that M.Blade works the same as Other Class Active Attack skill. Bcs if they think like that, they will get disappointed when they realize, M.Blade damage is not as high as they think. So, eventho Echanter got M.Blade lvl 2, it's not something that will make you feels wow. Bcs as I said, It's not the main source of damage for Enchanter. This is my reason to burst in. My other reason is, you want Gladiator to get tempest lv2 "SAME" as M.Blade lv2 Enchanter as If Tempest is the same thing as M.Blade, while tempest lv1 can outdamage M.Blade lv2 Enchanter. If you didn't mention M.Blade level2 or comparing it with Gladiator skill in your previous post, I will not post this here."" I don't have an issues about your reason why gladiator falls behind other class. I only want to correct your view about Magic Blade. It can mislead other player. So that's why I corrected it and explained it why Magic Blade is "inferior skill" when you compare it with gladiator tempest/pillar. I'll go ahead and admit that mblade doesn't work as well on tempest on bosses... But that still only makes gladi stronger on boss damage than one class... Only on bosses... And that does make bosses easier for gladi..not even every boss, enchy can solo magic bosses much better than us. |
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I will say I've never played Glad before haha. I've just seen it happen as I've played through the years.
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