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Post by Arata on Dec 10, 2016 18:17:35 GMT
Sorry to burst in, but I feel the urge to tell you about these thing (It's also related to other thread here, you know which one it's) First, for some bosses, such as Sauro 300+, Almas, Gatekeeper etc, Enchanter is still behind Glady in term of how long it takes them to kill those bosses. Right now, autoskill type can kill faster than m.blade but still when it comes facing those certain bosses, autoskill type fall behind glady, let alone m.blade. Second, glady stone skin is more thicker than enchanter stone skin. And I'm not sure why tho. I've experienced it myself. Do you know JP Glady on youtube which is Osieta Girl is the name of the channel? Have you seen that glady video fighting Almas? I use the same equipment as OsietaGirl to fight Almas. The only thing that different is my weapon which gives me more resistance meanwhile Osieta Girl use legacy of will that give her more hp. But still, Almas can easily destroy my stone skin, but look at that Osietagirl stoneskin. JP Glady My attempt on fighting Almas (as a side note, when I used equipment that give me more hp same as Osieta Girl, my defense became more fragile) Right now, you'll probably think that Osieta Girl stats is more on "tank" type while my stats is obviously more on evasion. But brace your self. Here is OsietaGirl Stat Much less def/mdef than mine. And now I feel like Enchanter Stone Skin level 3 is just a joke from Asobimo. Again, I've state this before on other thread. Calculation and assumption is not enough unless you can give a proof. If you can't prove it by yourself, there's other way to prove it, such as find a visual proof on youtube.
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Post by AnTz on Dec 10, 2016 18:29:08 GMT
Gladiator's solid skin is based on STR (STR*20). So, gladi in the vid has solid skin 431*20= 8620 hp Idk about enchanter's stone skin calculation thou
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Post by Arata on Dec 10, 2016 18:52:43 GMT
Then, enchanter stone skin probably gives less "hp" than that. That's why they give enchant the capabilities to paralyze so they can reduce more damage.
Well the point is, if glady use appropriate equipment with appropriate stats, they can become a better tank than enchanter and still having a better damage while in tank mode. Better tank --- better survivability.
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Krisu
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Post by Krisu on Dec 11, 2016 0:59:39 GMT
But enchanter gets extra style points :v
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Post by Crysta|'s hubby on Dec 11, 2016 7:50:16 GMT
Then, enchanter stone skin probably gives less "hp" than that. That's why they give enchant the capabilities to paralyze so they can reduce more damage. Well the point is, if glady use appropriate equipment with appropriate stats, they can become a better tank than enchanter and still having a better damage while in tank mode. Better tank --- better survivability. Ty XD ive been seeing these posts and its been bugging me especially when all I've been seeing is glads comparing non patched glad to patched ench and saying we are so far ahead of them I'm satisfied with how my ench is now I'm glad asobimo patched it but seeing others complain about being better off than my ench gets to me e.e
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Post by Crysta|'s hubby on Dec 11, 2016 9:35:28 GMT
Hello all high level gladiator, i am newbie here I recently made a gladiator as my first character but im starting to find out how weak gladiator is. Why is this so? I always thought that gladiator would deal good damage but now i found out that all other damage class does better damage than gladiator and for this reason nobody parties me. I have started making enchanter now as i think it has more damage and same level of survival. Why is gladiator damage so low? What makes gladiator worth making for all high level gladiator? I need to know if i should keep gladi on the side for future or sell all stuff and dump it? Please give advise for this? Glad damage may not be the highest but considering what other classes have to sacrifice to get their damage its not as bad as you think and at least they have aoe don't give up ^^ asobimo is currently balancing classes skills it just will take a few more weeks they can't do it all at once enchanter is also a very good class though so I recommend getting them both well of and at least to 260 before event ends if you can for now enchanter more or less has the capability to out dps glad on a single target if built correctly and sacrificing some survival but its rough lvling one unless you are rich keep your glad until the skills are patched and if there isn't anything that interests you when that happens then its up to you what you do with it
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Post by ringwraith on Dec 11, 2016 22:18:12 GMT
Then, enchanter stone skin probably gives less "hp" than that. That's why they give enchant the capabilities to paralyze so they can reduce more damage. Well the point is, if glady use appropriate equipment with appropriate stats, they can become a better tank than enchanter and still having a better damage while in tank mode. Better tank --- better survivability. My have ench and gladi For now enchy is better, also enchy have mblade 2 now but Glad not have tempest 2. I think you are wrong to make compare with glad and enchy becuz For now enchy more stronger Sorry for bad english
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Post by Arata on Dec 12, 2016 0:37:35 GMT
Then, enchanter stone skin probably gives less "hp" than that. That's why they give enchant the capabilities to paralyze so they can reduce more damage. Well the point is, if glady use appropriate equipment with appropriate stats, they can become a better tank than enchanter and still having a better damage while in tank mode. Better tank --- better survivability. My have ench and gladi For now enchy is better, also enchy have mblade 2 now but Glad not have tempest 2. I think you are wrong to make compare with glad and enchy becuz For now enchy more stronger Sorry for bad english Yea enchanter is "stronger" but only in some aspects. But still, Enchanter lack on other aspect because new skill adjustment only enhance their damage not enhancing their defensive capabilities. I state this before, gladi can become a better TANK, see the word here, a TANK. Why? bcs their stone skin is thicker, and they still have a pretty good damage while in tank mode. Meanwhile, Enchanter in tank mode sacrifice a lot of damage and their stone skin still can not be as thick as gladi stone skin. And I already put the proof on my previous post, My enchanter vs Osiate Girl gladi on Almas field. So, gladi can be better in a TANK aspect. If you want to break this argument, than give me a proof about Enchanter who can kill Almas faster than Osieta Girl. Then, if you see other aspect such as their grinding speed, the time they need to kill 1 Baum Warrior, Yarde, Third Eyes. Enchanter is better on this aspect. When comparing different classes, you gotta see a bigger picture. Don't only say "A is stronger/better than B" while only seeing particular aspect and neglect other aspect. If you just see some aspect and neglect the other one, your argument about "A is stronger/better than B" will become a false argument. For example, some people say HW is stronger than Enchanter, other people say Enchanter is stronger than HW. But, ppl who say HW is stronger only see HW's damage, meanwhile people who say Enchanter is stronger only see Enchanter capabilities on solo boss. They both have right and wrong statement at the same time. From that example above, it's true HW is better, but ONLY in damage aspect. And also it's true Enchanter is better, but ONLY in solo capabilities. See the point here? Both of them only see the good part of that Class and they neglect that Class weakness. Comparing classes is not as simple as you think bcs it's not only one aspect to compare, other aspect need to compare too. If you don't do this, your comparison is unfair. So, I would say statement like this "A is stronger/better than B" is a false statement. You must explain on what aspect A is stronger than B, and you must not hide A's weakness that makes A falls behind B. Don't only say a good stuff about one class while hiding their weakness. And btw, the reason I made that post above is bcs some of you did the unfair comparison. Bcs no one state Enchanter's weakness or the part that Enchanter lack but Gladi have it. That's why I only write which part that make Gladi can become better than Enchanter on my previous post, just to balance other ppl statement on previous post. And I have to say this, you can make certain class as your favorite class but don't become fanatic or looking down on other classes. I myself, have this enchanter as my favorite class and I only play Enchanter and give up on my monk. Bcs my play style that don't like to use ITEM (especially blind/poison/paralyze/freeze/burn vaccine) made me choose this class. Enchanter will still become my favorite class eventho Enchanter don't have an insane damage, eventho Enchanter don't have AOE, eventho their defensive capabilities still behind some other class, eventho their evasion isn't as good as other particular class. That acceptance makes me one to power up my enchanter, make it stronger as possible so my Enchanter can compete with other classes. That's why I tried many equipment just only to make my Enchanter can kill Yarde/Third Eye 1second/2seconds faster than before so I can compete with other class that have huge damage. That's why I invest my spina on trying some equipments just to make my Enchanter can solo boss faster than before. And also that's why I tried many different equipment to enhance my Enchanter defensive/tank capabilities. But when it stuck at some points, that makes my Enchanter can't win in some aspect against other class. I'll accept it as my Enchanter weakness while still trying to figure out how to cover up that weakness. And the thickness of my stone skin is one of that weakness, and right now I still trying to find a way to make it a lil bit thicker than before in order to be able to compete with Osieta Girl glady. This is one of my goal, kill Almas as fast as Osieta Girl did or at least twice faster than before.
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Post by The_Mormegil on Dec 12, 2016 2:14:22 GMT
My have ench and gladi For now enchy is better, also enchy have mblade 2 now but Glad not have tempest 2. I think you are wrong to make compare with glad and enchy becuz For now enchy more stronger Sorry for bad english Yea enchanter is "stronger" but only in some aspects. But still, Enchanter lack on other aspect because new skill adjustment only enhance their damage not enhancing their defensive capabilities. I state this before, gladi can become a better TANK, see the word here, a TANK. Why? bcs their stone skin is thicker, and they still have a pretty good damage while in tank mode. Meanwhile, Enchanter in tank mode sacrifice a lot of damage and their stone skin still can not be as thick as gladi stone skin. And I already put the proof on my previous post, My enchanter vs Osiate Girl gladi on Almas field. So, gladi can be better in a TANK aspect. If you want to break this argument, than give me a proof about Enchanter who can kill Almas faster than Osieta Girl. Then, if you see other aspect such as their grinding speed, the time they need to kill 1 Baum Warrior, Yarde, Third Eyes. Enchanter is better on this aspect. When comparing different classes, you gotta see a bigger picture. Don't only say "A is stronger/better than B" while only seeing particular aspect and neglect other aspect. If you just see some aspect and neglect the other one, your argument about "A is stronger/better than B" will become a false argument. For example, some people say HW is stronger than Enchanter, other people say Enchanter is stronger than HW. But, ppl who say HW is stronger only see HW's damage, meanwhile people who say Enchanter is stronger only see Enchanter capabilities on solo boss. They both have right and wrong statement at the same time. From that example above, it's true HW is better, but ONLY in damage aspect. And also it's true Enchanter is better, but ONLY in solo capabilities. See the point here? Both of them only see the good part of that Class and they neglect that Class weakness. Comparing classes is not as simple as you think bcs it's not only one aspect to compare, other aspect need to compare too. If you don't do this, your comparison is unfair. So, I would say statement like this "A is stronger/better than B" is a false statement. You must explain on what aspect A is stronger than B, and you must not hide A's weakness that makes A falls behind B. Don't only say a good stuff about one class while hiding their weakness. And btw, the reason I made that post above is bcs some of you did the unfair comparison. Bcs no one state Enchanter's weakness or the part that Enchanter lack but Gladi have it. That's why I only write which part that make Gladi can become better than Enchanter on my previous post, just to balance other ppl statement on previous post. And I have to say this, you can make certain class as your favorite class but don't become fanatic or looking down on other classes. I myself, have this enchanter as my favorite class and I only play Enchanter and give up on my monk. Bcs my play style that don't like to use ITEM (especially blind/poison/paralyze/freeze/burn vaccine) made me choose this class. Enchanter will still become my favorite class eventho Enchanter don't have an insane damage, eventho Enchanter don't have AOE, eventho their defensive capabilities still behind some other class, eventho their evasion isn't as good as other particular class. That acceptance makes me one to power up my enchanter, make it stronger as possible so my Enchanter can compete with other classes. That's why I tried many equipment just only to make my Enchanter can kill Yarde/Third Eye 1second/2seconds faster than before so I can compete with other class that have huge damage. That's why I invest my spina on trying some equipments just to make my Enchanter can solo boss faster than before. And also that's why I tried many different equipment to enhance my Enchanter defensive/tank capabilities. But when it stuck at some points, that makes my Enchanter can't win in some aspect against other class. I'll accept it as my Enchanter weakness while still trying to figure out how to cover up that weakness. And the thickness of my stone skin is one of that weakness, and right now I still trying to find a way to make it a lil bit thicker than before in order to be able to compete with Osieta Girl glady. This is one of my goal, kill Almas as fast as Osieta Girl did or at least twice faster than before. Actually on the subject of stone skin... With my gladiator i switched back to vit from agi for mob grinding apos a couple of weeks ago. I found when i did this and i went to boss farm my stone skin lost a lot of thickness, some boss could remove it all in one hit and take some hp too. I think this might be because ep4 and some ep3 bosses do damage based on max vit? I found the damage i was taking while on agi build from same bosses was much less. I think the problem isn't stone skin really... I think its because boss damage based on vit means the boss damage cuts through stone skin easily.
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Dec 12, 2016 4:33:33 GMT
Yea enchanter is "stronger" but only in some aspects. But still, Enchanter lack on other aspect because new skill adjustment only enhance their damage not enhancing their defensive capabilities. I state this before, gladi can become a better TANK, see the word here, a TANK. Why? bcs their stone skin is thicker, and they still have a pretty good damage while in tank mode. Meanwhile, Enchanter in tank mode sacrifice a lot of damage and their stone skin still can not be as thick as gladi stone skin. And I already put the proof on my previous post, My enchanter vs Osiate Girl gladi on Almas field. So, gladi can be better in a TANK aspect. If you want to break this argument, than give me a proof about Enchanter who can kill Almas faster than Osieta Girl. Then, if you see other aspect such as their grinding speed, the time they need to kill 1 Baum Warrior, Yarde, Third Eyes. Enchanter is better on this aspect. When comparing different classes, you gotta see a bigger picture. Don't only say "A is stronger/better than B" while only seeing particular aspect and neglect other aspect. If you just see some aspect and neglect the other one, your argument about "A is stronger/better than B" will become a false argument. For example, some people say HW is stronger than Enchanter, other people say Enchanter is stronger than HW. But, ppl who say HW is stronger only see HW's damage, meanwhile people who say Enchanter is stronger only see Enchanter capabilities on solo boss. They both have right and wrong statement at the same time. From that example above, it's true HW is better, but ONLY in damage aspect. And also it's true Enchanter is better, but ONLY in solo capabilities. See the point here? Both of them only see the good part of that Class and they neglect that Class weakness. Comparing classes is not as simple as you think bcs it's not only one aspect to compare, other aspect need to compare too. If you don't do this, your comparison is unfair. So, I would say statement like this "A is stronger/better than B" is a false statement. You must explain on what aspect A is stronger than B, and you must not hide A's weakness that makes A falls behind B. Don't only say a good stuff about one class while hiding their weakness. And btw, the reason I made that post above is bcs some of you did the unfair comparison. Bcs no one state Enchanter's weakness or the part that Enchanter lack but Gladi have it. That's why I only write which part that make Gladi can become better than Enchanter on my previous post, just to balance other ppl statement on previous post. And I have to say this, you can make certain class as your favorite class but don't become fanatic or looking down on other classes. I myself, have this enchanter as my favorite class and I only play Enchanter and give up on my monk. Bcs my play style that don't like to use ITEM (especially blind/poison/paralyze/freeze/burn vaccine) made me choose this class. Enchanter will still become my favorite class eventho Enchanter don't have an insane damage, eventho Enchanter don't have AOE, eventho their defensive capabilities still behind some other class, eventho their evasion isn't as good as other particular class. That acceptance makes me one to power up my enchanter, make it stronger as possible so my Enchanter can compete with other classes. That's why I tried many equipment just only to make my Enchanter can kill Yarde/Third Eye 1second/2seconds faster than before so I can compete with other class that have huge damage. That's why I invest my spina on trying some equipments just to make my Enchanter can solo boss faster than before. And also that's why I tried many different equipment to enhance my Enchanter defensive/tank capabilities. But when it stuck at some points, that makes my Enchanter can't win in some aspect against other class. I'll accept it as my Enchanter weakness while still trying to figure out how to cover up that weakness. And the thickness of my stone skin is one of that weakness, and right now I still trying to find a way to make it a lil bit thicker than before in order to be able to compete with Osieta Girl glady. This is one of my goal, kill Almas as fast as Osieta Girl did or at least twice faster than before. Actually on the subject of stone skin... With my gladiator i switched back to vit from agi for mob grinding apos a couple of weeks ago. I found when i did this and i went to boss farm my stone skin lost a lot of thickness, some boss could remove it all in one hit and take some hp too. I think this might be because ep4 and some ep3 bosses do damage based on max vit? I found the damage i was taking while on agi build from same bosses was much less. I think the problem isn't stone skin really... I think its because boss damage based on vit means the boss damage cuts through stone skin easily. I think its more max HP vs vit (which is kinda the same thing really dur) those hp% atks from ep 3&4 bosses really bend high HP classes over when they don't have the right +rate cut gear. I know now at least that I can't use myrica on everything due to its hidden -rate cut 20% q.q Even dragon lord Kaiser can 1 hit me if my guardian can't 1 hit him yet (it can't)
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Krisu
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Post by Krisu on Dec 13, 2016 14:10:54 GMT
Stone skin can be used on others too Solid skin is a self buff but costs less mana
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Post by rakesh22 on Jan 26, 2017 17:43:08 GMT
Outdated skills. That's just it. All gladiator skills are crap compared to the most popular jobs at the moment. Even with top gear, gladiators are quite poor in performance at the moment. This class needs a huge buff to balance things out. I suggest you play another job if you're in it for the power. I'm always tempted to change my gladiator because it's been crap recently but I always keep my hope up that it'll be better somehow. This^ Gladiator is seriously out of date, I've also given much thought on changing to samu or ninja. If their planning to fix the class with recent patches they been doing it would have to be a very big patch because gladiator hasn't had a decent damage boost skill since 260 skills. 3 things a patch would need to do to level things out would be to: 1 - allow tempest to work on mobs as well as bosses (by far in my opinion the most important thing and would make us great in parties) - i would even trade in the agi dmg boost given to tempest for allowing tempest to work on mobs, id be happy to switch back to vit if the next two things on this list are done too 2 - either have bloodthirst negate exhaustion or just remove exhaustion altogether 3 - increase the duration for esperanza to 2 or 3 mins. Lol u were right on mark about your patch option2. It seems asobimo has heard all your complaining 😂😂
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Yukina
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Post by Yukina on Jan 26, 2017 23:37:00 GMT
This^ Gladiator is seriously out of date, I've also given much thought on changing to samu or ninja. If their planning to fix the class with recent patches they been doing it would have to be a very big patch because gladiator hasn't had a decent damage boost skill since 260 skills. 3 things a patch would need to do to level things out would be to: 1 - allow tempest to work on mobs as well as bosses (by far in my opinion the most important thing and would make us great in parties) - i would even trade in the agi dmg boost given to tempest for allowing tempest to work on mobs, id be happy to switch back to vit if the next two things on this list are done too 2 - either have bloodthirst negate exhaustion or just remove exhaustion altogether 3 - increase the duration for esperanza to 2 or 3 mins. Lol u were right on mark about your patch option2. It seems asobimo has heard all your complaining 😂😂 Asobimo said "We will refer to opinions and requests received from the players, such as skill contents."
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Post by vincen on Jan 28, 2017 3:49:41 GMT
That is my max dmg self buff with esperanza and ignit x.x
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Post by rakesh22 on Jan 28, 2017 10:23:23 GMT
That is my max dmg self buff with esperanza and ignit x.x Stat n equips?
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