AianLacruzel
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Post by AianLacruzel on Nov 5, 2016 8:52:14 GMT
First of all, if this is mentioned anywhere on this and other forums, please link me to it and close this thread. I did google for it, found nothing, but I won't be surprised if I missed it coz it's quite simple. This is a post about a Technique, not builds. Steps:1. Use Negate Set (Judgement, Dragon Mail/Schwermer, Ensis Shield/Blue Epaulettes/Etc?) _ your choice of Special. With a build preferably with an Autoskill focus. 2. Attack a mob, once you get its attention, target next mob. You don't need to attack or kill it. Repeat. 3. Survive. 4. Use HP Recovery of choice if needed. This will affect your dps. Faster is better. Notes:1.The Negate set is for survivability + counter, if u can manage survivability without it, you may switch to other counter autoskills. 2. You don't have to be an Enchanter to do this. 3. It seems people seem confused as to the purpose of this thread. As you can see on the TITLE, this is meant to provide people without AoE with a way to kill mobs (that need multiple hits) faster for farm/grind purposes. 4. You can tag up to 4 mobs. A 5th mob can be qued but it will not be tagged. It can be still be "stolen" from you. |
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Post by Shori>.< on Nov 5, 2016 9:07:37 GMT
First of all, if this is mentioned anywhere on this and other forums, please link me to it and close this thread. I did google for it, found nothing, but I won't be surprised if I missed it coz it's quite simple. Steps:1. Use Negate Set (Judgement, Dragon Mail/Schwermer, Ensis Shield/Blue Epaulettes/Etc?) _ your choice of Special. With a build preferably with an Autoskill focus. 2. Attack a mob, once you get its attention, target next mob. You don't need to attack or kill it. Repeat. 3. Survive. 4. Use HP Recovery of choice if needed. This will affect your dps. Faster is better. Notes:1.The Negate set is for survivability + counter, if u can manage survivability without it, you may switch to other counter autoskills. 2. You don't have to be an Enchanter to do this. I think the problem with the set is that the damage is low? I think I read someone complaint about the damage on tyranul's thread before. |
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Post by AizenSou [Quitting] on Nov 5, 2016 10:15:25 GMT
First of all, if this is mentioned anywhere on this and other forums, please link me to it and close this thread. I did google for it, found nothing, but I won't be surprised if I missed it coz it's quite simple. Steps:1. Use Negate Set (Judgement, Dragon Mail/Schwermer, Ensis Shield/Blue Epaulettes/Etc?) _ your choice of Special. With a build preferably with an Autoskill focus. 2. Attack a mob, once you get its attention, target next mob. You don't need to attack or kill it. Repeat. 3. Survive. 4. Use HP Recovery of choice if needed. This will affect your dps. Faster is better. Notes:1.The Negate set is for survivability + counter, if u can manage survivability without it, you may switch to other counter autoskills. 2. You don't have to be an Enchanter to do this. I did that, just the scheme is a bit different. I attacked a Nommar then I DoC another so when I finish the Nommar I finished the another with DoC at the same time too. Problem is, that's not quite work at some mobs like Yarde. If you engaged in battle with a Yarde, it's not possible to target another unless in under specific condition. So choose your grind wisely. |
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Post by skeewi on Nov 5, 2016 11:26:18 GMT
First of all, if this is mentioned anywhere on this and other forums, please link me to it and close this thread. I did google for it, found nothing, but I won't be surprised if I missed it coz it's quite simple. Steps:1. Use Negate Set (Judgement, Dragon Mail/Schwermer, Ensis Shield/Blue Epaulettes/Etc?) _ your choice of Special. With a build preferably with an Autoskill focus. 2. Attack a mob, once you get its attention, target next mob. You don't need to attack or kill it. Repeat. 3. Survive. 4. Use HP Recovery of choice if needed. This will affect your dps. Faster is better. Notes:1.The Negate set is for survivability + counter, if u can manage survivability without it, you may switch to other counter autoskills. 2. You don't have to be an Enchanter to do this. Yeah, this only really works for counter builds. All you're really doing is "reserving" your next target before someone else takes them down. It saves you a second or two, but no more than that. On a completely different side note, I wanna say that any class can play a water counter. After some tweaking, best ones are a tie between Enchanter and Bishop. The old guide on counter Ench is pretty outdated, if you went with water counter set instead of dark counter, the damage is quite good. Water Origin matches quite well against a Bishop's Limit Break + Priere. A bit of testing with a friend of mine also uncovered something quite interesting. A water counter pally turns out to work pretty darn good. |
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AianLacruzel
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I'll wear my penalties as a trophy. Silenced because I can't admit I was wrong and contradict myself
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Post by AianLacruzel on Nov 5, 2016 12:16:22 GMT
I have to reply to your points to clarify some things. I'm not trying to be offensive. Yeah, this only really works for counter builds. Only? Define a counter build and why you are required to be one? I don't think you have to be one. You just hafta be able to do the above things in order. I'd like to hear your thoughts though. All you're really doing is "reserving" your next target before someone else takes them down. It saves you a second or two, but no more than that. Incorrect. Especially when it comes to mobs that normally requires you to attack many times, or use skill on, to kill. Once you get aggro by attacking once (or even better, by merely targeting), you can move on to the next one, eliminating all the time needed for (further) attack and skill animation. On a completely different side note, I wanna say that any class can play a water counter. After some tweaking, best ones are a tie between Enchanter and Bishop. I dunno about Bishop's case and it's for another thread, but Enchanter, of course. Naturally. |
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AianLacruzel
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I'll wear my penalties as a trophy. Silenced because I can't admit I was wrong and contradict myself
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Post by AianLacruzel on Nov 5, 2016 12:23:12 GMT
I think the problem with the set is that the damage is low? I think I read someone complaint about the damage on tyranul's thread before. Yes, it's low. At Lv 250+ around 5k per gear. BUT remember that after getting its attention, the mob is a as good as dead. In other words, it's like DPS = Mob HP (accurate if you didnt even need to attack). |
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Post by sandimailana on Nov 5, 2016 12:57:24 GMT
Physical counter from d.mail/judgement/ensis Shield just ( Lv x 20 = damage )
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Post by sandimailana on Nov 5, 2016 12:58:20 GMT
try my set magic counter ( job Bishop ) :3
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Post by Shori>.< on Nov 5, 2016 13:12:23 GMT
try my set magic counter ( job Bishop ) :3 You do realise not all class has the capabilities of utilising magic counter? -_- |
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Post by sandimailana on Nov 5, 2016 13:14:42 GMT
try my set magic counter ( job Bishop ) :3 You do realise not all class has the capabilities of utilising magic counter? -_- All class can using set magic counter |
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Post by Shori>.< on Nov 5, 2016 13:18:39 GMT
All class can using set magic counter Yes but not all class can keep their hp up like a bishop. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 13:34:57 GMT
All class can using set magic counter Yes but not all class can keep their hp up like a bishop.
But I'm not against op. My hybrid enchy's main set is the damage negate set. I like it. It's fun. Slow, but heck I'm immortal XD. |
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Post by skeewi on Nov 5, 2016 13:57:10 GMT
Yes but not all class can keep their hp up like a bishop.
But I'm not against op. My hybrid enchy's main set is the damage negate set. I like it. It's fun. Slow, but heck I'm immortal XD.And that's where evasion counter gear comes in (eye bandage, Echidna, New High Speed Motor) YOU should know this, YOU made the thread about evasion counter >_> |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 5, 2016 14:01:52 GMT
Not to mention this may not work for high eva builds qwq
But I'm not against op. My hybrid enchy's main set is the damage negate set. I like it. It's fun. Slow, but heck I'm immortal XD. And that's where evasion counter gear comes in (eye bandage, Echidna, New High Speed Motor) YOU should know this, YOU made the thread about evasion counter >_> |
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skeewi
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Post by skeewi on Nov 5, 2016 14:09:37 GMT
And that's where evasion counter gear comes in (eye bandage, Echidna, New High Speed Motor) YOU should know this, YOU made the thread about evasion counter >_> It's relevant to the topic because it works the same way. Attack one mob, get attacked and avoid it, attack a different target, and a different target, continue till level up. |
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