mokie
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Post by mokie on Oct 4, 2016 8:31:39 GMT
Try to use the formula from here. It will help some. Basically, 350+crt with ira up could be enough. Mamonea can help, but it reduces magic resistance. Ability Tech is also very useful. For spec, I prefer anything slot with telon(quest spec that adds melee&magic R 5% is also good). Added, I forgot to mention about al pages. I prefer 2green and 6yellow lines, but I also used 2red and 6purple lines before. i think i would use dai up but the vid guy said in order to make siccarius work properly? need atleast 330 str if having 330 str and max agi and rest crt maybe ill go use ror. at my current monk (only class i have atm use ror) my stats are 330 agi 300 crt 60 vit rest and continues int i miss about 2 or 3 every 10-15 sec. would having higher str/agi makes me less miss or i should get more crt than agi/str? Why are you talking about sin's skill?
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Post by mokie on Oct 4, 2016 8:43:53 GMT
dai and ror can not be used at the same time, but I prefer dai because autoskill. I try to max out bite for damage and frequently small amount of regen. However, ror is better for damage without using bite, so max str agi and low crt might be better of with ror. is bite passive or active? if passive definitely need autoskill if active its fine with ror however normal attacks might miss since ror lowers accuracy too much than dai lowering it. Daiginjo [Holiday] [Additional] Effect: DEF: 1-4 ATK: 15 Accuracy -30%, Hate rise +20%, Critical rate -70%, Autoskill +10%, Critical damage +20%. Daiginjo [Holiday] (Strengthened) [Additional] Effect: DEF: 9-12 ATK: 18 Accuracy -30%, Hate rise +30%, Critical rate -70%, Autoskill +12%, Critical damage +22%. accuracy -30% and crt rate -70% yeah this needs 350+ crt Ring of Rush [Special] Effect: DEF: 0-3 DEX & Accuracy & Critical rate greatly decreases. Great ATK up by Lv Notes: ATK + 300 ATK + 3% (according to the DEX- ATK- status rising value as of each weapon species) with 300 crt i still hit crt or 90% of what i hit is crt but my accuracy at stats beome 80 idk why but i still hit on yarde (using monk) but using ror increase my dmg a lot and dai for crt dmg and autoskill?. Bite is work like Double Attack; 1.2x for level 1, 1.4x for level 2, and 1.6x for level 3. The rate can be increased by 9crt=1%. Also, autoskill status can increase its rate. The regen number is about (50 + 2% of bite damage).
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Post by addictux on Oct 4, 2016 12:27:59 GMT
is bite passive or active? if passive definitely need autoskill if active its fine with ror however normal attacks might miss since ror lowers accuracy too much than dai lowering it. Daiginjo [Holiday] [Additional] Effect: DEF: 1-4 ATK: 15 Accuracy -30%, Hate rise +20%, Critical rate -70%, Autoskill +10%, Critical damage +20%. Daiginjo [Holiday] (Strengthened) [Additional] Effect: DEF: 9-12 ATK: 18 Accuracy -30%, Hate rise +30%, Critical rate -70%, Autoskill +12%, Critical damage +22%. accuracy -30% and crt rate -70% yeah this needs 350+ crt Ring of Rush [Special] Effect: DEF: 0-3 DEX & Accuracy & Critical rate greatly decreases. Great ATK up by Lv Notes: ATK + 300 ATK + 3% (according to the DEX- ATK- status rising value as of each weapon species) with 300 crt i still hit crt or 90% of what i hit is crt but my accuracy at stats beome 80 idk why but i still hit on yarde (using monk) but using ror increase my dmg a lot and dai for crt dmg and autoskill?. Bite is passive according to: iruna-online.proboards.com/thread/162/beast-knight-skills
Crit rate and Accuracy is different. Accuracy affects HIT while crit rate does not show on your stats. To know your current crit rate, you'd have to use this formula (source): Critical Rate = [(CRT ÷ 3) + 5 + Flat Critical Rate Values] x [1 + Percentual Critical Rate Values]
Idk much about BK, but from what I read it seems you gotta up ATK if you want to spam skills (doable with special claws/Amber Sail/Carib Horns) and you'd want a mix of ATK, critical damage and autoskill if you want to autoattack.
I read somewhere that RoR's exact -crit rate is 30%. I'll find the source later. Anyway, using RoR with Dai would give you -100% crit rate which means you won't do crits at all. However, you can counter that with the following items:
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• Benesickle (Claw) - MaxMP +10%, Critical rate +20%, CRT up by 2% of Lv. Magic R -5% - this claw won't really up your damage, but later it will have an up in Reoctove: Robushikkuru - MaxMP +15%, Critical rate +20%, CRT up by 6% of Lv. Magic R -5%, Critical damage +13%, Absolute evasion +5%
• Ira (Armor) - ATK+12%, Autoskill +5%, Magic Evasion +5%, Critical Rate +20%, Physical Resistance -25% (Hidden Correction: MaxMP+12%?) - the no up and up have the same amount of crit rate. Re up however, will give you 5% more.
• Croquette (Consumable) - About 10 minutes, the critical rate of +15% • Ikizukuri (Consumable) - About 10 minutes, Accuracy +10% Evasion +10% Critical rate +10% - these are consumables you can use to help lessen the burden but you probably can't use them together since one will cancel the other. Better befriend some cooks since this item can only be made via Production. The first one is from Cooking Lv134 and the 2nd is Lv89. However, they might be hard to make since the recipe requires ingredients from Planters. Other than these two, you can use other consumables that give you a "Luck" buff like Whetstone but stay away from Red Pill since it decreases your damage.
• Technique (Ability) - this abi gives critical rate +5 per ability level so if you were to get Tech abi Lv 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5, you'll have a total of +75 flat crit rate.
• Purple Lines (Apostolia Color Setup) - 6 of these lines would give you +30% ASPD so I'm guessing that it will give you +30 (not percentage) crit rate
Mixing everything together with Dai and RoR, we get: -70% + -30% + 20% + 20% + 15% (Croquette) = -45% crit rate + 105 flat crit rate from abi and apos.
Substituting above crit rate values + your stats into the formula:
Critical Rate = [(300 / 3) + 5 + 105] x [1 + -45%] Critical Rate = 115.5
Now we have too much crit rate XD.
Anyway, hope this helps owowow but i think there are other equips who can fill autoskill to increase proc rate of bite since its passive ror for base dmg? i think its better to decide to use 1 of the 2 but can be use but not same time. cause if just starting lvl <200-250 ill suffer a lot if i use both at the same time.
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Post by addictux on Oct 4, 2016 12:29:52 GMT
i think i would use dai up but the vid guy said in order to make siccarius work properly? need atleast 330 str if having 330 str and max agi and rest crt maybe ill go use ror. at my current monk (only class i have atm use ror) my stats are 330 agi 300 crt 60 vit rest and continues int i miss about 2 or 3 every 10-15 sec. would having higher str/agi makes me less miss or i should get more crt than agi/str? Why are you talking about sin's skill? sorry my bad forgot this is bk nail. but put it like a reference or something like comparing e.e? not good in english sorry.
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Post by addictux on Oct 4, 2016 12:46:12 GMT
with high autoskill its like im using d.claw/hcb xD. would having 300 crt 286 agi and 300 be good for dai? and i feel like using koda than maniji i havent seen/tested ceduro so idk about it yet also this will be release Kodachi IV [Claws] Effect: ATK: 285 to magic resistance -20% range +2 non-attribute physical + 9% critical damage + 19% absolute avoidance + 7% physical power increase available at CRT Notes: ATK = Kodachi III +40? Blacksmith Kodachi IV Material 1: Kodachi III x1 Material 2: ◇ Ganei x1 Material 3: Execution Blade x2 Material 4: Jewel Steel x10 Price: 1500000 Marudario downtown Maniji II [Claws] Effect: ATK: 248-263 ATK +8%, Hate rise -15%, All elements, Melee up by half of Lv, Small MP recovery by attack Notes: ATK = Maniji +20 Blacksmith Maniji II Material 1: Maniji x1 Material 2: Guard Dragon Jewel x1 Material 3: Light Sword Fragment x2 Material 4: Fluorite x5 Price: 500,000 Underground Bailune Ceduro II [Claws] Effect: ATK: increase in response to the 292 Magic R -10% DEX +8 Autoskills +12% poison effect +25% Improved Critical abnormal resistance +10% ATK is Lv Notes: ATK = Ceduro +30? Blacksmith Ceduro II Material 1: Ceduro x1 Material 2: Spatial Fragment x3 Material 3: Claws of tiger x40 Material 4: Rotten Decoration x40 Price: 1,000,000 Mioreita Castle Sion Capell III [Claws] Effect: ATK: 268 All elements, Heal reward up by AGI, Auto HP recovery +30% Magic R -20%, non-magic +10%, Magic attack chance Notes: ATK = Sion Capell II +60 Blacksmith Sion Capell III Material 1: Sion Capell II x1 Material 2: Pale fur x1 Material 3: Ruthless of beans x15 Material 4: Marble pieces x40 Price: 350,000 Mioreita Castle hey didnt notice ceduro II has autoskill. koda IV for more dmg? maniji II for mp leech and sion III would "Heal reward up by AGI" will increase bite leech? im not sure but i guess this is their final up or there will be more in future updates. also i dont like amber sail makes me like a snail. sources: www.iruna-online.info
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Post by skeewi on Oct 4, 2016 13:16:46 GMT
Sion Capell is the worst choice on a BK. Bite isn't affected by Heal Rewards, it's strictly a percentage of your Bite damage. And the autoskill itself won't proc because it'll get cancelled by Bite.
Having autoskill rate bonuses on a BK is only good for defense autoskills, counters and getting magic parry to proc more often. It's useful if you get Shelk and Dragon Mail/Schwermer.
Magic r penalties on a BK is pretty murderous. You can't expect magic parry to proc 100% of the time, when it doesn't a magic attack could obliterate you.
Ceduro's autoskill bonus and it's relatively negligible magic r penalty sustains itself, but Koda on a BK is going to seriously hurt you.
The whole point of Mokie mentioning Amber Sail is if you want to spam skills properly, because the attack interval passive on a BK stops you from spamming skills properly. But you wouldn't be spamming skills as a normal claw BK in the first place anyway.
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Post by addictux on Oct 5, 2016 11:39:26 GMT
Sion Capell is the worst choice on a BK. Bite isn't affected by Heal Rewards, it's strictly a percentage of your Bite damage. And the autoskill itself won't proc because it'll get cancelled by Bite. Having autoskill rate bonuses on a BK is only good for defense autoskills, counters and getting magic parry to proc more often. It's useful if you get Shelk and Dragon Mail/Schwermer. Magic r penalties on a BK is pretty murderous. You can't expect magic parry to proc 100% of the time, when it doesn't a magic attack could obliterate you. Ceduro's autoskill bonus and it's relatively negligible magic r penalty sustains itself, but Koda on a BK is going to seriously hurt you. The whole point of Mokie mentioning Amber Sail is if you want to spam skills properly, because the attack interval passive on a BK stops you from spamming skills properly. But you wouldn't be spamming skills as a normal claw BK in the first place anyway. so should i choose between maniji and ceduro? btw i check some things earlier and found this. Gale Claw [Claws] Effect: ATK: 220-235 Evasion +10%, Accuracy +20%, Melee up by CRT and DEX and Lv, Small autoskill up by AGI Notes: ATK = Battle Claw +60 at a fixed auto skills triggered increase = AGI200 + about 2% Blacksmith Gale Claw Material 1: Battle Claw x1 Material 2: Glaboras Sharp Claw x1 Material 3: Scimitar Fragment x5 Material 4: Fallen Angel Nail x5 Price: 1,000,000 Capital City Eldan would this be good with dai of course with 300+ crt and agi rest str.
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Post by addictux on Oct 5, 2016 11:40:45 GMT
idk if its up of battle claw or not and seems like magic -r will make me suffer i wont use any equips that has it except ira maybe and at the armor ultimi up better than ira up?.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 5, 2016 14:57:45 GMT
idk if its up of battle claw or not and seems like magic -r will make me suffer i wont use any equips that has it except ira maybe and at the armor ultimi up better than ira up?. Yes it's Battle Claw up o.o/. Accuracy affects HIT, not critical rate so it doesn't affect Dai's negatives. With 300 CRT and Dai you only get 31.5 crit rate. That's pretty bad @-@. And Ira should be better than Ultimi in damage.
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Post by addictux on Oct 6, 2016 9:45:32 GMT
idk if its up of battle claw or not and seems like magic -r will make me suffer i wont use any equips that has it except ira maybe and at the armor ultimi up better than ira up?. Yes it's Battle Claw up o.o/. Accuracy affects HIT, not critical rate so it doesn't affect Dai's negatives. With 300 CRT and Dai you only get 31.5 crit rate. That's pretty bad @-@. And Ira should be better than Ultimi in damage.ror for raw damage? and dai for crt dmg and autoskill? which would be better for all time use?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 6, 2016 21:29:47 GMT
Yes it's Battle Claw up o.o/. Accuracy affects HIT, not critical rate so it doesn't affect Dai's negatives. With 300 CRT and Dai you only get 31.5 crit rate. That's pretty bad @-@. And Ira should be better than Ultimi in damage. ror for raw damage? and dai for crt dmg and autoskill? which would be better for all time use? A BK user can answer this one better XD, but I think I'll go for Dai just cuz it's easier to get a slot.
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Post by addictux on Oct 7, 2016 11:30:04 GMT
ror for raw damage? and dai for crt dmg and autoskill? which would be better for all time use? A BK user can answer this one better XD, but I think I'll go for Dai just cuz it's easier to get a slot.for bite to be more effective maybe ill use dai and if i use dai what spec should i use? m.ring? and xtal for dai and spec?
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Post by addictux on Oct 7, 2016 11:41:13 GMT
ok now here's what i have in mind to use
wep maniji up (idk what xtal is best to use) armor ira up (idk what xtal is best to use) add dai up (idk what xtal is best to use) spec idk what to use and what xtal is best to use
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Post by Deleted on Oct 7, 2016 12:36:10 GMT
ok now here's what i have in mind to use wep maniji up (idk what xtal is best to use) armor ira up (idk what xtal is best to use) add dai up (idk what xtal is best to use) spec idk what to use and what xtal is best to use Pure dmg you can use Grapagos, Dorry, Raton, Telon. Autoskill Ziddu, Dajarte, Dajarte, WoL. If you need a little HP you can use Ring of Tide for spec (+2k for warriors). If you have some autoskill+% you might wanna try Showy Bangle. Otherwise, just use MQ specs XD.
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Post by skeewi on Oct 7, 2016 17:30:39 GMT
ok now here's what i have in mind to use wep maniji up (idk what xtal is best to use) armor ira up (idk what xtal is best to use) add dai up (idk what xtal is best to use) spec idk what to use and what xtal is best to use Pure dmg you can use Grapagos, Dorry, Raton, Telon. Autoskill Ziddu, Dajarte, Dajarte, WoL. If you need a little HP you can use Ring of Tide for spec (+2k for warriors). If you have some autoskill+% you might wanna try Showy Bangle. Otherwise, just use MQ specs XD.ABSOLUTELY DO NOT GEAR FOR AUTOSKIL. NO SHOWY, NO WOL, NOTHING.
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