Eaysley
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"These violent delights have violent ends."
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Post by Eaysley on May 5, 2016 7:28:03 GMT
Hey guys, I've only played 2 builds of gladiator (STR/CRT/DEX and most recently, STR/CRT/VIT) and I wanna try this one.
Few questions before I spend 10 bucks for this (excuse me if these questions sound nub lol):
1. Is there such cap evasion? Should I spare some stats aside from AGI (I'm putting 385 STR and 382 CRT, my max apos atm)? I'll have 376 spare stats after that (yeahhh, I'm super lazy leveling, don't judge). I am thinking of putting everything to AGI. But I might put some in RL and GL if it's any good. I'm completely leaving out VIT because I already own an MWS.
2. Follow-up to this one, how much damage does AGI add to Sword Tempest. Is there a cap? Same reason above whether to put everything to AGI. I might put some in GL and RL.
3. What are the pros and cons of adding GL and RL apos stats. Is it worth spending 200 stat points. How exactly does this work? update: Only worth it if you have a full time bishop slave. Otherwise, just get VIT
4. Shelk AI - is it worth getting? How is the counter by evasion? (I might make a separate Tips and Tricks thread for this) update: Yes. I don't recommend it tho.
Update: Build is great. Tbh not much difference in survivability with full VIT. But damage skyrocketed. Still can reduce I/SD to 1s while on combative buff. Really worth it. I recommend it FOR HIGHER LEVELS ONLY.
My equips so far:
I got Sword Set ☆Tech2
Ultimi 3 Iniliba ☆QU5
Sepa Raton ☆QC5
Accessory ☆QC4
ROR Noid ☆Tech5
Myrica Noid ☆QU1
JOG ns
3R/2G
Ouvel
Arick
Mamonea
Valtia (saving money to replace with Sauro II)
Cheltil
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Post by Kazu on May 5, 2016 10:25:27 GMT
1. Cap evasion is 80% eva, its at 600 evasion iirc. But my nin evade more than 90% of the time with 900 eva.
2. I dunno by how much but i heard its 1%/4 agi?( i not sure lol)
3. Not sure on this one too but to get max benefit from apos stats, u need to put on 2 stat for it to be beneficial for e.g yellow line. (each stat give 50% if u use yellow iirc)
4. Am not sure on this one xD
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on May 5, 2016 11:21:00 GMT
1. Cap evasion is 80% eva, its at 600 evasion iirc. But my nin evade more than 90% of the time with 900 eva.
2. I dunno by how much but i heard its 1%/4 agi?( i not sure lol)
3. Not sure on this one too but to get max benefit from apos stats, u need to put on 2 stat for it to be beneficial for e.g yellow line. (each stat give 50% if u use yellow iirc)
4. Am not sure on this one xD
I wish someone can confirm number 2 hehe Can you expound on the yellow line. Does it matter what your AL xtas stats are? Or just the colors? This feature is super vague tbh. And 50% what? I have max yellows (6), is the attack bonus significant? Cuz the autoskill combo (Purple) is helluva cheaper As for EVA, I'm asking about capped evasion points. I'm at 313 now EVA from level |
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Post by Kazu on May 5, 2016 11:35:46 GMT
1. Cap evasion is 80% eva, its at 600 evasion iirc. But my nin evade more than 90% of the time with 900 eva.
2. I dunno by how much but i heard its 1%/4 agi?( i not sure lol)
3. Not sure on this one too but to get max benefit from apos stats, u need to put on 2 stat for it to be beneficial for e.g yellow line. (each stat give 50% if u use yellow iirc)
4. Am not sure on this one xD
I wish someone can confirm number 2 hehe Can you expound on the yellow line. Does it matter what your AL xtas stats are? Or just the colors? This feature is super vague tbh. And 50% what? I have max yellows (6), is the attack bonus significant? Cuz the autoskill combo (Purple) is helluva cheaper As for EVA, I'm asking about capped evasion points. I'm at 313 now EVA from level The apos stat increases effect from the lines, I don't think the AL is affected. Ex: 6 yellow line, bonus 160 atk. You put 100pt in GL, 160+50%=240 atk. If you put 100pt on GL and RL, 160+100%=320 atk increase. If the lines are primary lines (green, red blue) it will benefit 100% from the specific line (e.g. You have 8 Red lines, 100pt in RL increases the bonus by 100%) Also afaik evasion has no limit, but it won't be as much effective bcuz 80% is cap. |
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Post by snake on May 5, 2016 14:10:53 GMT
Afaik, 256 agi is max you can benefit from (dmg wise). So you'll be better off doing STR=CRT>256AGI>VIT or STR=CRT>256AGI>DEX>VIT build. I recently switched to the first one i mentioned, and, holy PIE, it's amazing. It's hard to leave out your vit at first, but once you do, you won't regret it.
About the eva, with 257 agi (added extra 1 point by mistake xD) i have like 1.2k eva at 100% tempest, so nothing to worry about here. But, as you prolly know, evasion doesn't evade magic and critical hits, that's where vit comes in handy.
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on May 5, 2016 15:05:08 GMT
Afaik, 256 agi is max you can benefit from (dmg wise). So you'll be better off doing STR=CRT>256AGI>VIT or STR=CRT>256AGI>DEX>VIT build. I recently switched to the first one i mentioned, and, holy PIE, it's amazing. It's hard to leave out your vit at first, but once you do, you won't regret it. About the eva, with 257 agi (added extra 1 point by mistake xD) i have like 1.2k eva at 100% tempest, so nothing to worry about here. But, as you prolly know, evasion doesn't evade magic and critical hits, that's where vit comes in handy. You are 'Jet. Lol Anyway, I got a slotted Myrica wristlet so VIT's not an issue. Really? Just 256? It stops adding damage after that? :/ You have tested that? Damm. I wanted to put everything in AGI. Then just use ROR slot if I wanna deal better Pillar damage (I don't own one yet) I might just add the rest of my stats to RD and GR (though IDK if VIT would be better). Have you tried that? **The reason why I wanna try AGI build is that I noticed that EP4 bosses ATTACK BASED ON MAX HP. It doesn't matter now even if I had 90k HP, they'd still hit me for 50k lol, those cheaters. Tbh my gladiator is just for completing the story so completing MQ is my priority. That's why I've stucked for the High HP/SolidSkin/Potion Spam trick. It's no longer working against new bosses. |
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Post by snake on May 5, 2016 18:00:28 GMT
Afaik, 256 agi is max you can benefit from (dmg wise). So you'll be better off doing STR=CRT>256AGI>VIT or STR=CRT>256AGI>DEX>VIT build. I recently switched to the first one i mentioned, and, holy PIE, it's amazing. It's hard to leave out your vit at first, but once you do, you won't regret it. About the eva, with 257 agi (added extra 1 point by mistake xD) i have like 1.2k eva at 100% tempest, so nothing to worry about here. But, as you prolly know, evasion doesn't evade magic and critical hits, that's where vit comes in handy. You are 'Jet. Lol Anyway, I got a slotted Myrica wristlet so VIT's not an issue. Really? Just 256? It stops adding damage after that? :/ You have tested that? Damm. I wanted to put everything in AGI. Then just use ROR slot if I wanna deal better Pillar damage (I don't own one yet) I might just add the rest of my stats to RD and GR (though IDK if VIT would be better). Have you tried that? **The reason why I wanna try AGI build is that I noticed that EP4 bosses ATTACK BASED ON MAX HP. It doesn't matter now even if I had 90k HP, they'd still hit me for 50k lol, those cheaters. Tbh my gladiator is just for completing the story so completing MQ is my priority. That's why I've stucked for the High HP/SolidSkin/Potion Spam trick. It's no longer working against new bosses. Well i haven't tested more than my current agi cuz had no reason to, but the dmg gain stops at 256, if you wanna add more then go ahead lol. If you don't want to add any vit then just add the leftover points to dex. |
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Post by Ardent Sakuro on May 6, 2016 0:12:48 GMT
a friend tested comparing 256 vs 300+ agi.
welp he said 300 doesnt make a difference at all talking about sword tempest
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Post by Ardent Sakuro on May 6, 2016 0:16:11 GMT
2. evasion cap is 80% yes, 80% chance of evasion and 20% chance of getting hit. the reason why u invest more on evasion incoming bosses have higher hit rate than old bosses. its like a particular amount of evasion is needed for you to avoid so well on a certain boss.
4. imo shelk al is not worth it, we just got too much evasion around 1k+. yes you have to invest on evasion but not too much. if u got a spare al page try to get magic resistance al's. atm leviam is the only one available. The idea is to avoid physical attacks and resist magic with hp and resistance.
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Eaysley
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"These violent delights have violent ends."
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Post by Eaysley on May 6, 2016 0:26:05 GMT
a friend tested comparing 256 vs 300+ agi. welp he said 300 doesnt make a difference at all talking about sword tempest thanks for confirmation! |
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on May 6, 2016 0:27:25 GMT
2. evasion cap is 80% yes, 80% chance of evasion and 20% chance of getting hit. the reason why u invest more on evasion incoming bosses have higher hit rate than old bosses. its like a particular amount of evasion is needed for you to avoid so well on a certain boss. 4. imo shelk al is not worth it, we just got too much evasion around 1k+. yes you have to invest on evasion but not too much. if u got a spare al page try to get magic resistance al's. atm leviam is the only one available. The idea is to avoid physical attacks and resist magic with hp and resistance. Have you tried the crysta? I'm more curious about the counter on evasion stat |
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on May 6, 2016 0:32:58 GMT
I wish someone can confirm number 2 hehe Can you expound on the yellow line. Does it matter what your AL xtas stats are? Or just the colors? This feature is super vague tbh. And 50% what? I have max yellows (6), is the attack bonus significant? Cuz the autoskill combo (Purple) is helluva cheaper As for EVA, I'm asking about capped evasion points. I'm at 313 now EVA from level The apos stat increases effect from the lines, I don't think the AL is affected. Ex: 6 yellow line, bonus 160 atk. You put 100pt in GL, 160+50%=240 atk. If you put 100pt on GL and RL, 160+100%=320 atk increase. If the lines are primary lines (green, red blue) it will benefit 100% from the specific line (e.g. You have 8 Red lines, 100pt in RL increases the bonus by 100%) Also afaik evasion has no limit, but it won't be as much effective bcuz 80% is cap. that's great. The 50% bonus is not sure? Can you link source? |
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Post by Ardent Sakuro on May 6, 2016 0:37:52 GMT
2. evasion cap is 80% yes, 80% chance of evasion and 20% chance of getting hit. the reason why u invest more on evasion incoming bosses have higher hit rate than old bosses. its like a particular amount of evasion is needed for you to avoid so well on a certain boss. 4. imo shelk al is not worth it, we just got too much evasion around 1k+. yes you have to invest on evasion but not too much. if u got a spare al page try to get magic resistance al's. atm leviam is the only one available. The idea is to avoid physical attacks and resist magic with hp and resistance. Have you tried the crysta? I'm more curious about the counter on evasion stat i havent tried, since this one is out of my plans. |
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on May 6, 2016 1:00:50 GMT
1. Cap evasion is 80% eva, its at 600 evasion iirc. But my nin evade more than 90% of the time with 900 eva.
Yes, cap evasion is 80% but the amount of evasion required is dependent on the mob you are fighting. For example, you don't need 600 evasion to evade 80% of Chako Lv.1 attacks. |
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Post by Kazu on May 6, 2016 12:56:51 GMT
The apos stat increases effect from the lines, I don't think the AL is affected. Ex: 6 yellow line, bonus 160 atk. You put 100pt in GL, 160+50%=240 atk. If you put 100pt on GL and RL, 160+100%=320 atk increase. If the lines are primary lines (green, red blue) it will benefit 100% from the specific line (e.g. You have 8 Red lines, 100pt in RL increases the bonus by 100%) Also afaik evasion has no limit, but it won't be as much effective bcuz 80% is cap. that's great. The 50% bonus is not sure? Can you link source? Ehh, I think I read that like, A year ago xD sorry forgot the source, but it's on an AL discussion thread..or something lol |
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