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Post by ✴Akatosh on Apr 1, 2016 4:30:40 GMT
Ok ive been playing as a servant for 1 month and i just noticed that some of our skill are countering ninja
The factors are:
1.soul connection
Lending half of servant stat to its target.most of servant build are int and vit so soul connecting to a special bow user ninja will make his/her attack reduced becaused of int and vit received
2.shield of light
For some reason most of ninja hate stoneskin buff because they say they cant clone when they have this buff
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3.Vitalize
It really counter ninja because it add about 30% to your max hp and mp so it means it cancel the -30% hp from ganei or schwartz or any equipment that make your hp low. so it was really a pain for ninja butt especially for those who dont have ganei
So what do you think now?do you think the reason why are we created is to counter those ninja?
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Post by Pixie on Apr 2, 2016 1:38:34 GMT
It depends on what you are farming. I can see a benefit to tanking for a ninja, so that way they can use DOC without ever losing their clones, that way u can use buffs and they can stand far away. Pretty sure thats why we have toughness buff. We are technically high healing tanks.
That being said most ninja I've pt with at boss don't mind bless since it is short, as long as they have good eva it helps with restoring mp for a short time, its all about timing, obvi when they start cloning probably a bad time to buff. Other than heal we really aren't much use to most ninja unfortunately T_T (ninja numbers are dropping tho as people are opting for pally and other more interesting classes XD)
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Post by ManaKhe on Apr 2, 2016 2:39:49 GMT
Ok ive been playing as a servant for 1 month and i just noticed that some of our skill are countering ninja The factors are: 1.soul connection Lending half of servant stat to its target.most of servant build are int and vit so soul connecting to a special bow user ninja will make his/her attack reduced becaused of int and vit received 2.shield of light For some reason most of ninja hate stoneskin buff because they say they cant clone when they have this buff And lastly... 3.Vitalize It really counter ninja because it add about 30% to your max hp and mp so it means it cancel the -30% hp from ganei or schwartz or any equipment that make your hp low. so it was really a pain for ninja butt especially for those who dont have ganei So what do you think now?do you think the reason why are we created is to counter those ninja? 1) Soul Connection shouldn't affect Special Bow users in any way. Int doesn't do anything regardless and all "special" or "magic" weapons are treated like the regular version when it comes to skills. This is why special bow users gain no ATK from the Evasion/AGI buff but they do gain ATK from Hawkeye(which adds DEX). 2)I'm pretty sure Ninjas can still clone while Stoneskin is active. I think they just can't see their HP bar. 3)Yeah this messes up Ninjas. The more well geared Ninjas will work around it anyways though. So really I don't think they are a counter to Ninja at all. They do have some minor issues with Ninjas though so it isn't the best combination. On a side note: Can Servants add clones to Ninjas with their clone skill? If they can then that would mean they work really well with them. |
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Post by YuNarukami on Apr 2, 2016 3:07:13 GMT
Ninja still can cloning althougth they buffed with stone skin. IMO it will work well againts Magic Ninja... Why ? Coz Magic Ninja use both of atk and matk later ( silent kill ) and can provide more survivability ( Im make Str-Vit-CRT to support my magic Ninja and still dunno its will work or No )
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Post by ✴Akatosh on Apr 4, 2016 5:07:54 GMT
Ok ive been playing as a servant for 1 month and i just noticed that some of our skill are countering ninja The factors are: 1.soul connection Lending half of servant stat to its target.most of servant build are int and vit so soul connecting to a special bow user ninja will make his/her attack reduced becaused of int and vit received 2.shield of light For some reason most of ninja hate stoneskin buff because they say they cant clone when they have this buff And lastly... 3.Vitalize It really counter ninja because it add about 30% to your max hp and mp so it means it cancel the -30% hp from ganei or schwartz or any equipment that make your hp low. so it was really a pain for ninja butt especially for those who dont have ganei So what do you think now?do you think the reason why are we created is to counter those ninja? 1) Soul Connection shouldn't affect Special Bow users in any way. Int doesn't do anything regardless and all "special" or "magic" weapons are treated like the regular version when it comes to skills. This is why special bow users gain no ATK from the Evasion/AGI buff but they do gain ATK from Hawkeye(which adds DEX). 2)I'm pretty sure Ninjas can still clone while Stoneskin is active. I think they just can't see their HP bar. 3)Yeah this messes up Ninjas. The more well geared Ninjas will work around it anyways though. So really I don't think they are a counter to Ninja at all. They do have some minor issues with Ninjas though so it isn't the best combination. On a side note: Can Servants add clones to Ninjas with their clone skill? If they can then that would mean they work really well with them. If the ninja havent reached max(9) clone yes they can still give 1 clone(but doesnt stack up to 9)if the target ninja reached max clone they cant give anymore(tested on my guildmate ninja that have a max clone and he stated he cant receive anymore clone when i buff him mirror coat) |
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Post by ✴Akatosh on Apr 4, 2016 5:29:33 GMT
Ok ive been playing as a servant for 1 month and i just noticed that some of our skill are countering ninja The factors are: 1.soul connection Lending half of servant stat to its target.most of servant build are int and vit so soul connecting to a special bow user ninja will make his/her attack reduced becaused of int and vit received 2.shield of light For some reason most of ninja hate stoneskin buff because they say they cant clone when they have this buff And lastly... 3.Vitalize It really counter ninja because it add about 30% to your max hp and mp so it means it cancel the -30% hp from ganei or schwartz or any equipment that make your hp low. so it was really a pain for ninja butt especially for those who dont have ganei So what do you think now?do you think the reason why are we created is to counter those ninja? 1) Soul Connection shouldn't affect Special Bow users in any way. Int doesn't do anything regardless and all "special" or "magic" weapons are treated like the regular version when it comes to skills. This is why special bow users gain no ATK from the Evasion/AGI buff but they do gain ATK from Hawkeye(which adds DEX). 2)I'm pretty sure Ninjas can still clone while Stoneskin is active. I think they just can't see their HP bar. 3)Yeah this messes up Ninjas. The more well geared Ninjas will work around it anyways though. So really I don't think they are a counter to Ninja at all. They do have some minor issues with Ninjas though so it isn't the best combination. On a side note: Can Servants add clones to Ninjas with their clone skill? If they can then that would mean they work really well with them. Tested on my friend ninja My build (200 agi crit int and 100 vit) My friend ninja build(380 agi 300 crit 357 dex) Her attack is 3102 I use soul connection on her Her attack now is 2631 Per 1 int or 1 vit special bow user gain -1 atk iruna-online.weebly.com/normal.html |
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Post by ✴Akatosh on Apr 4, 2016 5:37:58 GMT
Ninja still can cloning althougth they buffed with stone skin. IMO it will work well againts Magic Ninja... Why ? Coz Magic Ninja use both of atk and matk later ( silent kill ) and can provide more survivability ( Im make Str-Vit-CRT to support my magic Ninja and still dunno its will work or No ) Vit is good because u dont need to be fast hand(cloning while casting skill xD)ur magic ninja can tank because of vit lend by servant and str is good too because magic ninja wearing throw gain +2 atk(if u run mp then go normal hit xD)and for crit is good too if ur magic ninja have dont crit or low(but i thought magic ninja build is int dex crit?)agi will be a good choice too because it boost ur magic ninja eva(so ur clone wont die that easily) |
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Post by Pixie on Apr 4, 2016 6:13:18 GMT
Ninja still can cloning althougth they buffed with stone skin. IMO it will work well againts Magic Ninja... Why ? Coz Magic Ninja use both of atk and matk later ( silent kill ) and can provide more survivability ( Im make Str-Vit-CRT to support my magic Ninja and still dunno its will work or No ) Vit is good because u dont need to be fast hand(cloning while casting skill xD)ur magic ninja can tank because of vit lend by servant and str is good too because magic ninja wearing throw gain +2 atk(if u run mp then go normal hit xD)and for crit is good too if ur magic ninja have dont crit or low(but i thought magic ninja build is int dex crit?)agi will be a good choice too because it boost ur magic ninja eva(so ur clone wont die that easily) Most magic ninja hate aspd so it might be a bad choice speaking from personal experience its hard to link spells if ur weapon auto atk on accident... unless they have -100% aspd gear could be a bad option. |
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Post by Dragsbro on Apr 4, 2016 6:48:56 GMT
Ninja still can cloning althougth they buffed with stone skin. IMO it will work well againts Magic Ninja... Why ? Coz Magic Ninja use both of atk and matk later ( silent kill ) and can provide more survivability ( Im make Str-Vit-CRT to support my magic Ninja and still dunno its will work or No ) against....did you mean with? x) cause i can't see any buff magic ninjas don't like xD (also a lil bit off topic but if you don't plan on putting DEX, cast, delay and ailments chances will be really low so i guess you'd better spam domination) |
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Post by ✴Akatosh on Apr 4, 2016 12:44:12 GMT
Vit is good because u dont need to be fast hand(cloning while casting skill xD)ur magic ninja can tank because of vit lend by servant and str is good too because magic ninja wearing throw gain +2 atk(if u run mp then go normal hit xD)and for crit is good too if ur magic ninja have dont crit or low(but i thought magic ninja build is int dex crit?)agi will be a good choice too because it boost ur magic ninja eva(so ur clone wont die that easily) Most magic ninja hate aspd so it might be a bad choice speaking from personal experience its hard to link spells if ur weapon auto atk on accident... unless they have -100% aspd gear could be a bad option. Ohh i didnt know that xD i dont have too much idea about them what i just know is that most of magic ninja player are fast hand xD(pressing that skill and skill again haha) |
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Post by ✴Akatosh on Apr 4, 2016 12:49:17 GMT
Ninja still can cloning althougth they buffed with stone skin. IMO it will work well againts Magic Ninja... Why ? Coz Magic Ninja use both of atk and matk later ( silent kill ) and can provide more survivability ( Im make Str-Vit-CRT to support my magic Ninja and still dunno its will work or No ) against....did you mean with? x) cause i can't see any buff magic ninjas don't like xD (also a lil bit off topic but if you don't plan on putting DEX, cast, delay and ailments chances will be really low so i guess you'd better spam domination) Actually im refererring to dps type ninja xD and i forget about those magic ninja haha of course any magic ninja will love that +30% max mp boost(vitalize)xD |
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Post by ManaKhe on Apr 6, 2016 14:26:38 GMT
1) Soul Connection shouldn't affect Special Bow users in any way. Int doesn't do anything regardless and all "special" or "magic" weapons are treated like the regular version when it comes to skills. This is why special bow users gain no ATK from the Evasion/AGI buff but they do gain ATK from Hawkeye(which adds DEX). 2)I'm pretty sure Ninjas can still clone while Stoneskin is active. I think they just can't see their HP bar. 3)Yeah this messes up Ninjas. The more well geared Ninjas will work around it anyways though. So really I don't think they are a counter to Ninja at all. They do have some minor issues with Ninjas though so it isn't the best combination. On a side note: Can Servants add clones to Ninjas with their clone skill? If they can then that would mean they work really well with them. Tested on my friend ninja My build (200 agi crit int and 100 vit) My friend ninja build(380 agi 300 crit 357 dex) Her attack is 3102 I use soul connection on her Her attack now is 2631 Per 1 int or 1 vit special bow user gain -1 atk iruna-online.weebly.com/normal.htmlThat is a loss of 500 ATK. You only have 200 INT and 100 VIT. I am fairly certain Soul Connection gives less stats than what you have not more. In any case there isn't any way Soul Connect could benefit a Ninja anyways since they will almost always have 256+ of any of their damage stats. Also holy crap every stat on that page is wrong lol. |
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Post by Pixie on Apr 6, 2016 16:26:50 GMT
I dont believe we have a clear answer yet if soul connection affect the Apos stats or not. Everyone so far say maybe maybe not xD anyone test yet? maybe with exp?
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Post by ✴Akatosh on Apr 7, 2016 4:42:56 GMT
I dont believe we have a clear answer yet if soul connection affect the Apos stats or not. Everyone so far say maybe maybe not xD anyone test yet? maybe with exp? Im going to run some test when i have my apostolia(hayz i hope it works :3 because if it dont work then i wasted 100 stat points and i need to buy stelfy book just to reset my stat points haha ha ha.. -_-) |
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Post by ✴Akatosh on Apr 7, 2016 4:45:17 GMT
There is already thread that ask the same question someone answered it and he say it doesnt going to work
Ps idk if he had a servant and tried the exp from apostolia.he just stated it doesnt going to work because soul connection only affect primary stat and not apostolia
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