skeewi
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Post by skeewi on Mar 19, 2016 10:20:14 GMT
I have a 238 Bishop and she's just great. She can solo almost all the episode 1 bosses short of Sianas, as well as a number of episode 2 bosses, but her damage output is so low that it takes a long time (and sometimes even times out). Of course she's great with a party, but finding a party for some bosses can be difficult (cough Magonza cough).
Therefore I want to make a class that can solo bosses. HOWEVER I also want this class to be able to contribute somewhat to a party, which is why ninja is out.
I've looked at the upsides, Monks can shell break barriers, revive pt members, has all the cleric buffs and can buff healing too. Gladiators can tank well, have high penetration, and some useful buffs. Asassins do the most damage and can solo relatively well, but is difficult to play and I'm not 100% sure I can pull one off. Lastly, BK can break barriers like Monks and tank even better than Gladiators, but their damage output is the lowest among these four (as far as I know).
So could you guys please help me choose a class?
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Mar 19, 2016 14:06:42 GMT
Few things:
1. Gladiators have a mediocre penetration because of double attack. Meelee doesn't work with double attack (which counts as a skill). Gladiators have the highest proc rate of Double attack. (My meelee, which only works on auto attack is around 2k+ on barriers. With double attack it's only 5 to 6 damage)
2. I've yet to find a BK that tanks better than a VIT build gladiator. Though its hate rise skill is good, it pretty much needs way more heal as compared to a gladiator and its Solid Skin.
@topic - assasin. Late bloomer but really great built and geared properly.
I'd say gladiator too but it's hard to play with poor equipment.
Ninja too. If your enemy doesn't stun, it's pretty much a cake walk.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 19, 2016 17:18:59 GMT
I don't have monk, but I'll say monk is the best choice (based on your preferences) It can do dps and all around things inside a party. Most likely the role depends on the situation.
It can increases PT members damage through chakra for an instance into an Assassin.
It can increase heal reward useful for paladins, not to mention it has Panacea that is good for both Paladin, and Gladiator.
side note: As for Paladin well, you won't going to Oath in a boss field when you know there is someone who is prone to death. meaning panacea is useful for their Divine Aura exhaustion effect too.
It can shellbreak, good for penetrating barriers.
It can also do the DPS.
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skeewi
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Post by skeewi on Mar 20, 2016 8:26:32 GMT
I'd say gladiator too but it's hard to play with poor equipment. If it's a matter of equipment, that's not a big problem. I can make a lot of money on my bish. So from current results of poll, it's either Monk or Glad. Monks have almost all the advantages (Heal, Shell Break, higher DPS, buffs) save for the fact that they are a lot squishier when compared to Glad.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Mar 21, 2016 1:05:05 GMT
I'd say gladiator too but it's hard to play with poor equipment. If it's a matter of equipment, that's not a big problem. I can make a lot of money on my bish. So from current results of poll, it's either Monk or Glad. Monks have almost all the advantages (Heal, Shell Break, higher DPS, buffs) save for the fact that they are a lot squishier when compared to Glad. IMO, glads are far superior to monks in terms of soloing capability. They have buffs that increase survivability (regenerate, warcry, massive skin etc.), and they also gain evasion. Pillar blade and counter attack is excellent DPS vs multiple mobs, and I wouldn't really consider Glad as inferior in DPS vs Monks unless you are talking about high def barrier bosses. If your priority is for the solo capability, I'd put my money on gladiators rather than monks. But in the end, it all falls down to the game play that you prefer. I suggest you watch some youtube vids of monks and gladiators and see which performances you would like to have.
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Post by haz on Mar 21, 2016 4:32:34 GMT
I have both monk and glad. (Had gladiator once Q.Q) I'll pick gladiator instead of monk. Monk are very late bloomer and need expensive equips. Gladiator at lower lvl and cheaper equip can do more ATM. HOWEVER,nail monk will out dmge glady soon with new equip. Glady is fun. I'll pick glady for u xD
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skeewi
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Post by skeewi on Mar 21, 2016 10:24:20 GMT
I looked at some vids and I still can't decide Xd. Both classes seem pretty good, and I can see myself enjoying both classes' playstyle >_<
I'm just gonna wait until the end of anniversary and follow poll results then.
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Mar 23, 2016 2:33:26 GMT
Actually, glady and monky are so different in term of playing style. You might like one but not another. However, if you have been playing for some time (you're playing bishop), so you might want to play a new style. You might ask yourself whether you'd like spamming skill like you are playing bishop now, or you'd like to try auto-attacking. I hope this will help you to make a decision.
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Post by Anri on Mar 23, 2016 3:51:02 GMT
I have both glad and monk which both max lvl and aa points. If u ask me I would say glad has more fun and can solo more bosses with different builds. Before lvl 260 skills bloodthirsty release, my build was crit=str>vit. I rely on cross counter skills with spamming pillar or tempest sword then auto attack. After skills release, i change my build to crit=str>agi256 vit 50 rest dex. P. s. I am lucky i got myrica slot with 850m or u might want more vit instead of invest dex if u cant find a myrica slot. I can either spam pillar or tempest or if i am lazy i can use tempest then auto atk. Now i rely on evasion when i am hunting boss or lvling, my highest evasion is around 1500+ self bulf and i am so enjoying. Although cross counter is kinda useless now but with high evasion, actually is good enough to cover it up and saving u a lot of pots.
Monk has two common builds claw and geo. If you want to do solo and pt i would suggest claw build. My monk build is crit=agi vit 120 rest str. I mostly solo so i pick str instead of int. Claw builds receive most benefits from auto atk so it is kinda boring sometimes. But u will find monk is very useful when hunting high defence bosses because of shell breaker.
I am not an expert but just wanna to share my experience of both classes that i like most. Hope it can help u and sorry for my bad english.
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Post by Crysta| on Mar 23, 2016 20:40:48 GMT
If your main focus is solo farming bosses with shell then monk is the way to go. However as others have said they are pretty late bloomers, you won't be effectively farming bosses without some serious grinding, which would be hard using the claw monk build since they have no AoE.
You could go with geo breaker build but they are hugely dependent on party.
Gladiator would be solo'ing bosses easier at a lower level but a high level monk can make bosses look like chako.
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Post by nic123 on Mar 23, 2016 21:48:46 GMT
you can also check japenese videos, as far as ur choices are ive seen monks with this claw(idk what it is) it seems when they are poisoned they do insane dmg. pair monk with spam revive bish im sure u can do any boss.
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Post by Blue on Mar 24, 2016 4:59:31 GMT
Just on the side note but may i suggest Enchanter? That class can solo most Bosses pretty well once it gets stone skin and can contribute to pt's that need mp so can play the role of hw if the pt does not have nor necessarily need one
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skeewi
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Post by skeewi on Mar 24, 2016 5:14:51 GMT
Just on the side note but may i suggest Enchanter? That class can solo most Bosses pretty well once it gets stone skin and can contribute to pt's that need mp so can play the role of hw if the pt does not have nor necessarily need one Enchanter is great for solo of course, but damage is a little lower than what I'm going for. EDIT: I just remembered that elementally built enchanters are a thing. But well, I'd have to be able to poop spina to afford that.
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skeewi
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Post by skeewi on Mar 25, 2016 9:56:55 GMT
The votes and posts are both so even >_>
Okay here's how I'm gonna decide then. I'm gonna leave it to the RNG gods.
I'll decide on which of the following equipment I get first during anniversary, Black Lacquer 2, Empedracle 2, Black Plate, or HCB. If I get Black Lacquer 2 or Black Plate first, I'm making a STR/CRT/VIT/DEX=115 Glad. If I get either HCB or Empedracle 2 first, I'll make an agi/crt/int Monk.
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