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Post by Rascally on Apr 24, 2014 21:53:49 GMT
Interesting reply from jeancarlo, I've never known low level parties to prefer a wizard's heal or low int cleric over pure int/dex... Yes they'll want a wizard in their party for the damage but that's because damage is the wizard's job. They'll want a cleric because healing is the cleric's job. And they'll want as high a heal as possible. A cleric isn't a burden to a party if they will die without a cleric. It's a necessity. (Or at least a good healer is a necessity in many cases). I have raised two clerics, one bishop build and one monk build and I've certainly not experienced the problems you guys are talking about. It seems you would be better suited for playing as wizards as you get to deal huge damage and are more involved in attacking right from the start. Rascally, maybe it's a question of when/where you consider "low level parties" Even in AtG, the only time I've seen ppl looking for cleric is when it comes time for FG Other wise, poison vaccine pretty much handles the only real issue in there. (and yes, I have tried AtG on a Monk build cleric and now a Bishop build cleric). The most use I have had so far is when PTing with guildies at mega. YMMV... I consider low level to mean anything before apprentice main job(120) I suppose. well I have to say your experience doesn't match my experience of raising two clerics, perhaps you've been unlucky! For ATG, we would always look for a cleric as you do FG every run so it's pretty useful to have a healer along. They can kill leopard for you very easily anyway and you often need someone to revive your wizard whose drain has gone awry. As a high wizard even when I was 140ish, I would not farm FG without either a bishop/cleric or at least high healing paladin/monk. It's clear you're not so fond of the cleric job, that's fine, neither am I. But the simple fact is cleric is known to be one of the easier jobs to raise to full job as you get the party invites faster. Just do MQ and when you really want to grind, do Naga as you'll be able to either heal or DPS there, easy to get parties there.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Apr 24, 2014 22:09:09 GMT
Heh, actually I like Clerics just fine My experience with clerics in Iruna is not too dissimilar to experiences in other (MMO)RPGs I've played in the past. That doesn't mean there's not a lot of hardship in the beginning, lol, which is what this thread is about (pre-100). L108 Wiz and L83 Cleric: I duo FG now as long as I don't get too excited (and end up doing something stupid, lol), or she doesn't do crit dmg twice in a row. Cleric tanks, Wiz DPS her down.
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Post by Rascally on Apr 24, 2014 22:22:11 GMT
I know what the thread is about haha, I'm just saying my experience differs from yours in that there was little hardship. I still think you should just do MQ until level 120 (which is what I'm advising the OP to do as, for clerics, it is very easy). I always found atg boring so skipped it entirely the second time round and stopped MQ when I was able to grind at Naga.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Apr 24, 2014 22:28:35 GMT
Not to derail the thread, but I see a lot of people saying this line
"do MQ until level 120",
but short of begging people to help you (which I never do), it's not that easy to do. Not every one is like legacy who stated he soloed shlingel at L80, lol. I can't solo anything past Sturm lol! Maybe there's a trick that I simply have not figured out...
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Post by Legacy on Apr 24, 2014 23:30:53 GMT
Because the conversation is mostly about grinding/Xping, and you're thinking of boss runs. VERY different things. Doing mq and grinding bosses seems the best way to lvl fast to me ^^
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Post by Enriz on Apr 25, 2014 4:37:12 GMT
If you doing MQ, dont get to excited and try to finish all soon.. Afraid all of the MQ dont have sufficient exp for you yo jump from app bishop to full bishop.. And there is no game without bishop.. If you can 1HKO boss, that is another story.. If you don't, bishop presence is needed.. I found many cleric that able to "almost" solo bosses.. They have high hp, nuke heal.. Maybe a little hard if you just started.. (Mage line is hard) but the expected outcome is awesome with good gear
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Post by Illumina on Apr 25, 2014 8:13:58 GMT
I never really had a problem raising my bishop as well, considering the fact that I started playing almost since the very beginning of Iruna. And leveling back then wasn't as easy like it is today. Doing MQ alone won't even take you too far on level. I don't party a lot, except with my long time in-game friends and I also use two devices to partner with a my brother's wizard. I reached lvl100+ even before they released ATG. Anyway point is, the difference in opinion regarding how hard it is to level a character depends on the person's mindset. If you are patient enough and if you are enjoying the character you are playing regardless of what you think their flaws are, it won't really be much of a problem. @ RascallyI also don't think it's hard to get a party as a healer. I believe it's one of the most in demand job for parties. The switching app jobs, getting sonic boom and creating a 2nd char is an option for those that finds it hard to get parties or prefers leveling solo.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2014 14:36:32 GMT
Hmm.. As a cleric once myself, i actually grind medusas and fulmen for quest, n level grind goblins ( plazuda ruins ) and grypps ( near mezzaluna ) later on around. Atgs for pts [ now got more alts quests lah ] xD Actually clerics can survive in pt and solo, just for faster solo kill ( which not really our strong point until we reach higher levels ) you can kill off dark types easily even though they are way higher than ur current level. Its good for exp, u can try compare around and see which suits u the best Gud luck ya ! ^_^
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Post by Almas on Apr 30, 2014 2:39:53 GMT
I never had much problem raising my bishop as well. Sure it's a bit of a problem pre-100 because MW is just annoying. And at MQ level, I found a friend going pally before who I MQ rushed some to get us to 100. At 100, to be honest, grinding Medusa is not a problem anymore with Holy Light. And when I got 120, I moved to Naga. 140 at MIV. Actually it really gets easy at Naga and MIV maybe a month ago. You'll barely find bishop without party. :-)
Now after less than 2 months, I got to 195. No tickets. Hehe.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Apr 30, 2014 16:28:10 GMT
MIV? Cleric at 97 now; 3 more for Holy Light lol. Any other good dark based mobs like medusas out there?
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2014 0:12:39 GMT
MIV? Cleric at 97 now; 3 more for Holy Light lol. Any other good dark based mobs like medusas out there? Goblins at Plazuda Ruins. I love killing them < Goblin - Killer Ok, that sounds so wrong lol XD Certain scenario quest mobs are also good. Easy kills for Bishop.
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Post by Akuma! on May 13, 2014 2:28:24 GMT
Cleric- Bishop
Basically just hit things till level 30.
Lv30-50 forgotten cave skeleton quest, Broken staff quest,, Snake and Fish in diel quest
Lv50-70 Flame Rockers, quest. dragon lord isle quest. - in lunite, npcs ( live in the dark Domain) Grind Dark warriors,
Lv80 -100 ==== REPAIR QUEST NIDEA FISHERMAN NPC === ATG==== DARK WARRIORS. Medusa
100-120 REPAIR QUEST, ATG
120-140 WELCOME TO NAGA CITY
140-180 YOUR LOVING NAGA RIGHT? HADES BONE COLLECTION QUEST, MIV QUEST Megas,
------------------------YOU CAN START HARD ARMOUR PIECE QUEST AT LV 170------------------
180-220 HARD ARMOUR PIECES QUEST (HAP) MAWID PLAINS HUNTING QUEST. MEGA CITY
THIS IS HOW I DID IT. ^
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Post by lordace on May 21, 2014 21:43:36 GMT
I would like to say that as a cleric who has ungodly solod up to elban, its not hard. I'm lvl 95 and can solo some of the nasties that knights and even some ninjas fear. like beez and the god killing trp boss. we have a wicked heal faster than any spell or skill even at a low dex. and MW3 as far as I've seen is pretty fast once you get dex to 60. but don't take my word for it. and don't listen to the bias people. try it for your self. if its not for you change to wizard before lvl 70.
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Post by lordace on May 21, 2014 21:54:37 GMT
Also like to say that anyone who tells you to go all INT first is a moron. For people who solo as a cleric, YOU NEED DEX IN ORDER TO SURVIVE. I'm at lvl 95 with a 194INT and 100DEX. The only reason for VIT is forDEF if you don't have a damacus armor or Mage Garb. AGI only if you plan on going ninja or like to day solo the sky dragon and take no hits. STR if you are using throwing knife or poison knife(both use STR to increase ATK) And since i can't remember the last stat its obviously useless to a cleric.
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Post by lordace on May 21, 2014 21:59:14 GMT
Cleric- Bishop
Basically just hit things till level 30.
Lv30-50 forgotten cave skeleton quest, Broken staff quest,, Snake and Fish in diel quest
Lv50-70 Flame Rockers, quest. dragon lord isle quest. - in lunite, npcs ( live in the dark Domain) Grind Dark warriors,
Lv80 -100 ==== REPAIR QUEST NIDEA FISHERMAN NPC === ATG==== DARK WARRIORS. Medusa
100-120 REPAIR QUEST, ATG
120-140 WELCOME TO NAGA CITY
140-180 YOUR LOVING NAGA RIGHT? HADES BONE COLLECTION QUEST, MIV QUEST Megas,
------------------------YOU CAN START HARD ARMOUR PIECE QUEST AT LV 170------------------
180-220 HARD ARMOUR PIECES QUEST (HAP) MAWID PLAINS HUNTING QUEST. MEGA CITY
THIS IS HOW I DID IT. ^ last thing this person is a genius. If I'm not mqing then I'm following the same guidelines. Kudos to you good citizen.
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