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Post by gyrph on Dec 1, 2015 22:17:02 GMT
What class to you think is better all? I plan to party when I can but might be times I need to solo a lot.
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Post by simprince on Dec 2, 2015 0:26:26 GMT
Solo boss or mobs? If boss, pally, if mobs, bishop. I happen to have both chars. I think bishop is more fun but the lv 260 skill of pally is just too powerful.
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Post by ruebear on Dec 8, 2015 1:05:36 GMT
If you're planning on soloing bosses I'd go a paladin, where as bish is more of hard pt class.
Bish is hard to lvl up until you get a skill at lvl180. From there things are easier. I have a guildie who's making a bish and they need a lot of help for mq since their lvl is low.
Paladin has it easier when it comes to soloing mq or bosses. Their high hp let's you tank and you'll last longer in battle than most memebers in your pt.
Both classes you need to be well equipped and have a well gear set. Don't be like a lot of new players who rush their mq and have don't have a clue how to use their skills or have crap gears. I'd advise you lvl up and work on getting spina so you can buy better gears later.
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Nyx
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Post by Nyx on Dec 8, 2015 8:07:03 GMT
If you're planning on soloing bosses I'd go a paladin, where as bish is more of hard pt class. Bish is hard to lvl up until you get a skill at lvl180. From there things are easier. I have a guildie who's making a bish and they need a lot of help for mq since their lvl is low. Paladin has it easier when it comes to soloing mq or bosses. Their high hp let's you tank and you'll last longer in battle than most memebers in your pt. Both classes you need to be well equipped and have a well gear set. Don't be like a lot of new players who rush their mq and have don't have a clue how to use their skills or have crap gears. I'd advise you lvl up and work on getting spina so you can buy better gears later. i suppose a bishop using dpr up and viola and spam heal can solo mq slowly (your guildie could use this i think)
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Post by ruebear on Dec 8, 2015 13:54:31 GMT
If you're planning on soloing bosses I'd go a paladin, where as bish is more of hard pt class. Bish is hard to lvl up until you get a skill at lvl180. From there things are easier. I have a guildie who's making a bish and they need a lot of help for mq since their lvl is low. Paladin has it easier when it comes to soloing mq or bosses. Their high hp let's you tank and you'll last longer in battle than most memebers in your pt. Both classes you need to be well equipped and have a well gear set. Don't be like a lot of new players who rush their mq and have don't have a clue how to use their skills or have crap gears. I'd advise you lvl up and work on getting spina so you can buy better gears later. i suppose a bishop using dpr up and viola and spam heal can solo mq slowly (your guildie could use this i think) Yeah but spamming heal and trying to attack as a low lvl cleric or a healer is difficult. Frankly I wouldn't try soloing mq as a healer. It would be a nice set if you have a pt and someone can hold the argo. My guildie just reached 180 so his gear set atm might work for him, but ill tell him this if he needs a heal spam build.
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Nyx
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Post by Nyx on Dec 8, 2015 14:00:16 GMT
You can let the counter kill the boss while you focus on not dying.....It will be slow but most likely will work..
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Yazmat
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Post by Yazmat on Dec 8, 2015 14:20:55 GMT
You can let the counter kill the boss while you focus on not dying.....It will be slow but most likely will work.. unless you timeout...
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Post by simprince on Dec 8, 2015 20:58:15 GMT
i suppose a bishop using dpr up and viola and spam heal can solo mq slowly (your guildie could use this i think) Yeah but spamming heal and trying to attack as a low lvl cleric or a healer is difficult. Frankly I wouldn't try soloing mq as a healer. It would be a nice set if you have a pt and someone can hold the argo. My guildie just reached 180 so his gear set atm might work for him, but ill tell him this if he needs a heal spam build. Using counter does work for some mq bosses. So get a pet and try them. If you fail, you just get back to regular field and ask for help then. But some bosses hit you too hard and too fast that you can't heal enough.
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Dec 15, 2015 15:24:59 GMT
Solo boss or mobs? If boss, pally, if mobs, bishop. I happen to have both chars. I think bishop is more fun but the lv 260 skill of pally is just too powerful. Is it really? The 260 skill consumes HP and takes super long to cast. Is it 10seconds? For like 400 to 500k damage? You can probably spam 10 sword tempests at that time frame or 2 to 3 inmperial rays. At op, it's like comparing apples and oranges. It's all about preferences. Read some guides and videos and find out which class you'd like to do.
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Dec 15, 2015 15:42:04 GMT
Solo boss or mobs? If boss, pally, if mobs, bishop. I happen to have both chars. I think bishop is more fun but the lv 260 skill of pally is just too powerful. Is it really? The 260 skill consumes HP and takes super long to cast. Is it 10seconds? For like 400 to 500k damage? You can probably spam 10 sword tempests at that time frame or 2 to 3 inmperial rays. At op, it's like comparing apples and oranges. It's all about preferences. Read some guides and videos and find out which class you'd like to do. Hmm... 10 sec for Yazmat to 1 shot uslith... Some other good 1s to... Prob the best for things like Raton possibly also...
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Eaysley
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Post by Eaysley on Dec 15, 2015 15:47:54 GMT
Is it really? The 260 skill consumes HP and takes super long to cast. Is it 10seconds? For like 400 to 500k damage? You can probably spam 10 sword tempests at that time frame or 2 to 3 inmperial rays. At op, it's like comparing apples and oranges. It's all about preferences. Read some guides and videos and find out which class you'd like to do. Hmm... 10 sec for Yazmat to 1 shot uslith... Some other good 1s to... Prob the best for things like Raton possibly also... you can kill it in less than 10 seconds with a party of 4 high levels. Not trying to discount the new skill just trying to be practical. Also I think 1shotting ushlith would require a buttload of expensive equipment. Doesn't it fail when you get stunned? Also you're vulnerable while casting it? Probably not the wisest thing to do if you're Mq'ing solo. Not 100% sure but I observed this while a Leviam. This pally I pt'ed with dies before completing the skill. Tbh I'd rather tank and let the powerhouses do their jobs when fighting with a party.
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Yazmat
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Post by Yazmat on Dec 15, 2015 15:48:31 GMT
Solo boss or mobs? If boss, pally, if mobs, bishop. I happen to have both chars. I think bishop is more fun but the lv 260 skill of pally is just too powerful. Is it really? The 260 skill consumes HP and takes super long to cast. Is it 10seconds? For like 400 to 500k damage? You can probably spam 10 sword tempests at that time frame or 2 to 3 inmperial rays. At op, it's like comparing apples and oranges. It's all about preferences. Read some guides and videos and find out which class you'd like to do. If you want to get into that debate it will be a tough fight... First of all, we are talking about soloing bosses (since simprince was talking about that), and casting 3 imperial rays while solo in 10 seconds is just impossible... (even if I am not an expert HW, and unless you are talking about SH and in that case...) especially that for doing any real damage with imperial ray you need to cast another spell before it which should be the weakness of the boss. Second thing... saying that Oath does 400~500k damage is just so much unfair ... a properly geared paladin with the proper build and abusing elements can do past 1m to any boss with any element (and that a one shot in 99% of the bosses released until now) Third thing...sword tempest (and any other class and skills that can be done successively in one second)... yes of course it is better than Paladin's Oath that's for sure... BUT... my dear friend... that's only for low level bosses... because for recent bosses... they might just kill you after your second or third hit... why ? because ... as everyone knows... the lowest the boss HP gets... the dangerous it becomes (some even get elemental change now... like Enina... some others like Dunkelis get a HUGE Def boost... and others get invulnerability shields... booms ... mp deletes... debuffs ... etc etc etc)... while a gladiator might have tough times past 50% of boss HP... a paladin just one hit the **** out of him and skips all those debuffs... booms... shields... mp deletes... etc...etc...etc That's just my little opinion...
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Dec 15, 2015 15:52:34 GMT
Hmm... 10 sec for Yazmat to 1 shot uslith... Some other good 1s to... Prob the best for things like Raton possibly also... you can kill it in less than 10 seconds with a party of 4 high levels. Not trying to discount the new skill just trying to be practical. Also I think 1shotting ushlith would require a buttload of expensive equipment. Doesn't it fail when you get stunned? Also you're vulnerable while casting it? Probably not the wisest thing to do if you're Mq'ing solo. Not 100% sure but I observed this while a Leviam. This pally I pt'ed with dies before completing the skill. Tbh I'd rather tank and let the powerhouses do their jobs when fighting with a party. Let's see... Solo.Uslith in 10sec or for man pt in 10 sec... Also Yazmat has said already in another thread the gears used on that weren't real op and tbh the way this skill is designed, it takes some time to master it's use without being wiped out, this is something I see true paladins having no trouble with. Other people too that might just want the op skill, just coz... Haha fkn good luck!
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bravebor
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Post by bravebor on Dec 15, 2015 15:54:56 GMT
Is it really? The 260 skill consumes HP and takes super long to cast. Is it 10seconds? For like 400 to 500k damage? You can probably spam 10 sword tempests at that time frame or 2 to 3 inmperial rays. At op, it's like comparing apples and oranges. It's all about preferences. Read some guides and videos and find out which class you'd like to do. If you want to get into that debate it will be a tough fight... First of all, we are talking about soloing bosses (since simprince was talking about that), and casting 3 imperial rays while solo in 10 seconds is just impossible... (even if I am not an expert HW, and unless you are talking about SH and in that case...) especially that for doing any real damage with imperial ray you need to cast another spell before it which should be the weakness of the boss. Second thing... saying that Oath does 400~500k damage is just so much unfair ... a properly geared paladin with the proper build and abusing elements can do past 1m to any boss with any element (and that a one shot in 99% of the bosses released until now) Third thing...sword tempest (and any other class and skills that can be done successively in one second)... yes of course it is better than Paladin's Oath that's for sure... BUT... my dear friend... that's only for low level bosses... because for recent bosses... they might just kill you after your second or third hit... why ? because ... as everyone knows... the lowest the boss HP gets... the dangerous it becomes (some even get elemental change now... like Enina... some others like Dunkelis get a HUGE Def boost... and others get invulnerability shields... booms ... mp deletes... debuffs ... etc etc etc)... while a gladiator might have tough times past 50% of boss HP... a paladin just one hit the **** out of him and skips all those debuffs... booms... shields... mp deletes... etc...etc...etc That's just my little opinion... Haha beat me to the punch
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Yazmat
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Post by Yazmat on Dec 15, 2015 15:55:17 GMT
Hmm... 10 sec for Yazmat to 1 shot uslith... Some other good 1s to... Prob the best for things like Raton possibly also... you can kill it in less than 10 seconds with a party of 4 high levels. Not trying to discount the new skill just trying to be practical. Also I think 1shotting ushlith would require a buttload of expensive equipment. Doesn't it fail when you get stunned? Also you're vulnerable while casting it? Probably not the wisest thing to do if you're Mq'ing solo. Not 100% sure but I observed this while a Leviam. This pally I pt'ed with dies before completing the skill. Tbh I'd rather tank and let the powerhouses do their jobs when fighting with a party. I was already one shoting Ushilith with very cheap equipment (no dorry no myrica slot ganei ...etc) gloria gives you +50% damage against ushilith which is easily 1m damage yes it fails when you get stunned (which ushilith does very rarely) You are NOT more vulnerable while casting it you are just as vulnerable as you were... but you can still use pots if things get bad. But lets be clear... it is not a skill for all situations... I only use it if solo (against bosses taht doesn't do a lot of bad status)... and when in party only if there is another tank...
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