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Post by aroxis on Apr 15, 2014 2:01:19 GMT
1) I do use alot of weapons (fuma, dia, claw+) But I can firmly say that when a magic sword is eqqiped, autocasts appear much more often. Since you're not an ench you have no way of proving me wrong. 2) This still wont work...."YAY I GET MATK BOOST FROM SB AND MAGIC AMP....O PIE...IM AFK...SO I CAN'T BUFF MYSELF....SO I CANT AUTOCAST ANYTHING...." 3) Staff....vs sword.......Slow melee....slow autocast....but wait....you can't even autocast because YOU ARE AWAY FROM KEYBOARD....by using hexe you can still cast while afk.. as i mentioned, my afk idea relies on the dpr up autoskill, if you bothered READING. Making your afkness purely dependent on 4% autoskill meaning there is a chance that you will barley cast at all. You are just proving even more that afk with dia much better....u mad or na?
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Post by aroxis on Apr 15, 2014 2:07:58 GMT
1) I do use alot of weapons (fuma, dia, claw+) But I can firmly say that when a magic sword is eqqiped, autocasts appear much more often. Since you're not an ench you have no way of proving me wrong. 2) This still wont work...."YAY I GET MATK BOOST FROM SB AND MAGIC AMP....O PIE...IM AFK...SO I CAN'T BUFF MYSELF....SO I CANT AUTOCAST ANYTHING...." 3) Staff....vs sword.......Slow melee....slow autocast....but wait....you can't even autocast because YOU ARE AWAY FROM KEYBOARD....by using hexe you can still cast while afk.. idk about being afk, thats senpia's thing, im talking about normal game play No way in hell a ench gonna wack PIE with some old dumbass staff..You go make an ench and you go whack some PIE with a resty rod IN NORMAL GAMEPLAY and tell me how FUN that is. Of all the dumb stuff u have said....that was the dumbest.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 2:15:07 GMT
as i mentioned, my afk idea relies on the dpr up autoskill, if you bothered READING. Making your afkness purely dependent on 4% autoskill meaning there is a chance that you will barley cast at all. You are just proving even more that afk with dia much better....u mad or na? dude you dont even understand your own class. even with no autoskill +% dpr counter would still cast because it has its own proc rate. Even with no auto cast % auto skills can still be activated. magic staff melee does the same amount of damage as a magic sword melee, with a lot higher magic damage. The only real relevant drawback to the staff is the speed. But when the enchanter's damage is based off of the auto attacks, whats the real diff between 1 attack every second for 10k casts or 1 attack every 1.5 seconds with 15k casts. Enchantment (passive) Way to be added to the weapon, the magic attack power of his own. I added to the attack force part of the INT of his own. SLv1 with surgery nurse apprentice job change during learning SLv2 Enchanter job change during learning SLv3 Book III of Imbued (Lv260) when equipped with a magic weapon use ※, MATK increase as throwing and cane Weapon Skills Skill to put the magic weapon. Probability of triggering an attack magic every time it performs a normal attack is to occur subject. (5 minutes time effect) learning SLv1 MP320 Enchanter when changing jobs ※ (paralysis with probability) (50% ignore magic defense) Fire, water attributes (physical attributes), wind element, (swoon complex type of magic and physical attributes, with a low probability) earth element
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aroxis
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Post by aroxis on Apr 15, 2014 2:21:07 GMT
1) I do use alot of weapons (fuma, dia, claw+) But I can firmly say that when a magic sword is eqqiped, autocasts appear much more often. Since you're not an ench you have no way of proving me wrong. 2) This still wont work...."YAY I GET MATK BOOST FROM SB AND MAGIC AMP....O PIE...IM AFK...SO I CAN'T BUFF MYSELF....SO I CANT AUTOCAST ANYTHING...." 3) Staff....vs sword.......Slow melee....slow autocast....but wait....you can't even autocast because YOU ARE AWAY FROM KEYBOARD....by using hexe you can still cast while afk.. as i mentioned, my afk idea relies on the dpr up autoskill, if you bothered READING. also your dps would still suck with hexe without the enchant weapon, and afk doesn't mean "let me go to the movies while i leave my phone here" I deall a solid 1.4k dmg per hit with hexe...so idc what u mean like dps sucks on hexe...By ur def. of "afk" I'm guessing it means afk but just enough to come n buff lol...If thats the case then hexe is better no contest. If you disagree then u are saying that resty rod is always better than dia...which it isnt lmfao...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 2:22:12 GMT
idk about being afk, thats senpia's thing, im talking about normal game play No way in hell a ench gonna wack PIE with some old dumbass staff..You go make an ench and you go whack some PIE with a resty rod IN NORMAL GAMEPLAY and tell me how FUN that is. Of all the dumb stuff u have said....that was the dumbest. Dude get off the topic, the ignorance is raging again. Read the topic name, read the entire topic, everyones comments, even a more experienced enchanter than you, and people that arnt even enchanters can see the oblivious advantages to using a magic staff. if your going to come here just to enforce your own playing style without an inch of support then your comments dont mean anything. stop posting. Btw i was not a full enchanter, i played as an apr enchanter. I still got all the skills that support the magic staff build. Another thing, i never said use a resty rod, i made a magic staff, not normal staff topic. Just chill out.
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aroxis
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Post by aroxis on Apr 15, 2014 2:27:07 GMT
No way in hell a ench gonna wack PIE with some old dumbass staff..You go make an ench and you go whack some PIE with a resty rod IN NORMAL GAMEPLAY and tell me how FUN that is. Of all the dumb stuff u have said....that was the dumbest. Dude get off the topic, the ignorance is raging again. Read the topic name, read the entire topic, everyones comments, even a more experienced enchanter than you, and people that arnt even enchanters can see the oblivious advantages to using a magic staff. if your going to come here just to enforce your own playing style without an inch of support then your comments dont mean anything. stop posting. Btw i was not a full enchanter, i played as an apr enchanter. I still got all the skills that support the magic staff build. Another thing, i never said use a resty rod, i made a magic staff, not normal staff topic. Just chill out. Idc about yours but if you didn't notice..i'm addressing senpais idea...not yours..ty...Me and a pro ench already said your idea sux so drop it.
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Post by Senpai on Apr 15, 2014 2:38:57 GMT
"HURRRR DURRRR SWORD IS BEST, ANYTHING ELSE SUCKS. HURRRRRRRRR" guess what, this isn't a sword. tinypic.com/r/rssr4m/8
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 2:52:57 GMT
staff & magic staff works...i seen lotsa staff mainly for enchanter
dragon horn atk: 200-210 matk+20%, maxmp-100%, mp consumption +100%, cast time +50%, skill delay - 1 second when attacking, additional 50% atk by chance <--- autoskill
remark: currently available at maze f36-40, any skill cast above 1 mp is useless here tips: switch weapon > heal mp > cast skill > change back to dragon horn > atk
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Post by Prayerz on Apr 15, 2014 3:02:43 GMT
1)No enchanter skill increases auto cast based on having a magic sword. You should know that as an enchanter yourself. 2) With the autoskill boosts and the matk boost from resty, you will still autocast your magic with resty. The autocast magic will deal a lot more damage then with a hexe 3) If you tried a staff like you said, you would see that the aspd is slower, but not as slow to the point where it sucks. the dps is made up for with the increased matk boost from stafffs You say its all about the damage when casting but you also say its all about magic swords and that a staff sucks. Take away the autocast from an enchanter and tell me whats left. WHere does the bulk of the damage come from? The magic sword? Now lets add a staff or magic staff. The autocasts get matk boosts from the enchanter passive, The staffs own attack power, magic amp, int and dex. making the autocasts, which are the bulk of the damage of an enchanter, a lot stronger than a magic swords autocasts. magic sword relys on int,enchanter passive and dex for matk boost for the casts. making the casts a lot weaker than with a staff or magic staff. Many enchanters focus to heavy on the actual atk stat and not enough on the matk that carries the playing style. 1) I do use alot of weapons (fuma, dia, claw+) But I can firmly say that when a magic sword is eqqiped, autocasts appear much more often. Since you're not an ench you have no way of proving me wrong. 2) This still wont work...."YAY I GET MATK BOOST FROM SB AND MAGIC AMP....O PIE...IM AFK...SO I CAN'T BUFF MYSELF....SO I CANT AUTOCAST ANYTHING...." 3) Staff....vs sword.......Slow melee....slow autocast....but wait....you can't even autocast because YOU ARE AWAY FROM KEYBOARD....by using hexe you can still cast while afk.. YOU better than ANYONE should know an enchanter has an autoskill passive. I remember this from when I was an Enchanter. You don't need to cast the buff to autoskill. And honestly, Resty Rod autoskills easy as hell, without autoskill gear.
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Post by aroxis on Apr 15, 2014 3:14:46 GMT
1) I do use alot of weapons (fuma, dia, claw+) But I can firmly say that when a magic sword is eqqiped, autocasts appear much more often. Since you're not an ench you have no way of proving me wrong. 2) This still wont work...."YAY I GET MATK BOOST FROM SB AND MAGIC AMP....O PIE...IM AFK...SO I CAN'T BUFF MYSELF....SO I CANT AUTOCAST ANYTHING...." 3) Staff....vs sword.......Slow melee....slow autocast....but wait....you can't even autocast because YOU ARE AWAY FROM KEYBOARD....by using hexe you can still cast while afk.. YOU better than ANYONE should know an enchanter has an autoskill passive. I remember this from when I was an Enchanter. You don't need to cast the buff to autoskill. And honestly, Resty Rod autoskills easy as hell, without autoskill gear. Yes but like senpai said before "dpr up+resty+afk ench op" If the ench is afk there is no way of casting enchant to use magic..so i suggested adding ciel to the mix. Spell boost doesnt inc atk but it boost matk. If spell boost starts but ench can't autocast..the spell boost is worthless.
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Post by aroxis on Apr 15, 2014 3:17:21 GMT
"HURRRR DURRRR SWORD IS BEST, ANYTHING ELSE SUCKS. HURRRRRRRRR" guess what, this isn't a sword. tinypic.com/r/rssr4m/8Whats on the link?..can't open it
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Post by Senpai on Apr 15, 2014 3:19:32 GMT
"HURRRR DURRRR SWORD IS BEST, ANYTHING ELSE SUCKS. HURRRRRRRRR" guess what, this isn't a sword. tinypic.com/r/rssr4m/8Whats on the link?..can't open it let's see if this works.
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Post by ManaKhe on Apr 15, 2014 3:23:45 GMT
Again, if you are relying on the AUTOCAST then the staff would be better hands down. And magic amp doesnt work with throwing or magic sword, only with staff. ... Posting what you used from 120-140 and saying you ddnt have a prob doesnt mean it was good. It would almost be a waste of time to play as enchantet before 140 because of poor autocast rates, lack of defense and damage. pretty much all im hearing is the melee cons, which is something already mentioned. If matk xtals are added to an already strong matk style enchanter than you get an even stronger auto casting enchanter. While I do think that using magic staff or dielita/amulet+ are viable options for Enchanter, I completely disagree that they are better hands down when relying on autoskills. There a few reasons for this: 1)The most obvious is the speed of Staffs as opposed to swords and throwing. It is slower, not by much but it is still slower. 2)You act as if Magic Amp is is by far superior to the other special equip options for Enchanter. It is a little bit better I believe, but not much. Also getting slot would probably be way more difficult than getting Slot Lotus Seeds/Reduce Bangle. 3)You would most likely sacrifice points in DEX for higher AGI. Probably isn't as much of an issue at higher levels(like190+) but you do get a small amount of MATK from DEX and you will not have good hit rate overall with 1 DEX unless you are using hit crystals, which would mean less MATK crystals. WIth how much Enchanters are affected by MDEF I do think this setup would be better for an Enchanter with less MATK crystals. The reason why it wouldn't work as well when Enchanters are more geared is that the extra speed/autoskill rate/autoskill would make more of a difference when you have good enough MATK already. Example) Syerin hits 6k Autoskills, probablly like 5k mana wave. He has one mana wave and enchant weapon most likely. He averages 1.5 autoskills per attack. That's about 8-9k on average(he maybe hits like 500-700 damage with an amulet+ idk but w/e to that not gonna include it). He also attacks a little bit slower. He could have the extra autoskill from witch knife or Dielita though but his autoskill rate would be lower and more random. I honestly think he would do better damage with Dielita than Amulet+ overall. Simlar to the reduce bangle option below. I hit 3.5-4k mana waves and about 4.5k enchant weapon. If I'm using Lotus Seeds I have the same auto rate as Syerin, but I have 1.5 times the autoskills. So about 2.25 autoskills per attack on average(I'm probably saying too much auto rate for both of us lol, math would end up the same anyways). so I might average around 8-9k per attack too. Except I attack faster and will get a bigger % improvement with better gear than Syerin would. Reduce Bangle from what I've noticed recently is better DPS(more random though) than lotus seeds too so this is the weaker setup for me. This isn't really a very big difference between the two if you think about it, but you said magic staff is far superior, when it is probably inferior in most cases. It does have the added benefit of faster Tbolt casting for para support though, that is its main pro, and that it does better with little to no MATK crystals.
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Post by aroxis on Apr 15, 2014 3:26:13 GMT
Whats on the link?..can't open it let's see if this works. Yes flamia claws dropped by iffrit maze f50 or 55 forgot lol. Those are my dream weapons. They autocast fire lance Im not saying swords are best. How about u try reading my posts I'm just saying your idea is complete ******** problem? "Last part was unnecessary and idea is an idea. Watch the language also" -K
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2014 3:30:17 GMT
1) I do use alot of weapons (fuma, dia, claw+) But I can firmly say that when a magic sword is eqqiped, autocasts appear much more often. Since you're not an ench you have no way of proving me wrong. 2) This still wont work...."YAY I GET MATK BOOST FROM SB AND MAGIC AMP....O PIE...IM AFK...SO I CAN'T BUFF MYSELF....SO I CANT AUTOCAST ANYTHING...." 3) Staff....vs sword.......Slow melee....slow autocast....but wait....you can't even autocast because YOU ARE AWAY FROM KEYBOARD....by using hexe you can still cast while afk.. YOU better than ANYONE should know an enchanter has an autoskill passive. I remember this from when I was an Enchanter. You don't need to cast the buff to autoskill. And honestly, Resty Rod autoskills easy as hell, without autoskill gear. enchanter don't own autoskill passive. our trigger rate is normal just like an adventurer. the thing that makes enchanter trigger more compared to a warrior is autos dont trigger alongside double attack. i have gilgoble in my hexe before so i believe that's counted as in-hand experience.
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