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Post by simprince on Sept 3, 2015 16:53:41 GMT
I read the earlier discussion about Highest AA and it seemed off topic a bit and ppl are confused about the definition about AA. I am also interested in building an AA char. My definition of AA is, the build should be AGI/CRT. Rarely need MP/HP pot. Given that, I think sniper, ninja, monk, and glad seem to all work. But which one survive better while deal decent damage? I am looking for a char that can solo most bosses constantly.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Sept 3, 2015 17:12:03 GMT
I read the earlier discussion about Highest AA and it seemed off topic a bit and ppl are confused about the definition about AA. I am also interested in building an AA char. My definition of AA is, the build should be AGI/CRT. Rarely need MP/HP pot. Given that, I think sniper, ninja, monk, and glad seem to all work. But which one survive better while deal decent damage? I am looking for a char that can solo most bosses constantly. Based on your description/definition, you're looking at a NIN. All of these have skills they can use once in a while and still be primarily AA (no clue on Monk though, never got one high enough) most of the time. AA Sniper sucks solo. Even with a high EVA build you're still a glass cannon that will need pots (HP, and MP once in a while for buffs/occasional Fast) AA Glad and you're kinda stuck with either a Spc Bow or Nail, which works, but at a loss of your two AOE skills that requires Sword to use (I was told, don't have one high enough to experience yet). Berserk is a skill, and costs ALL MP to use AA Nin (90%-99% of NINs lol) are build for AA with occasional DoC as you want. Can switch gears to be more DOC reliant at a loss (usually) or use gears like Emp2 an/or Interfike for faster AA. Defensive capabilities is top notch especially once you take into account the minimal need for MP or HP pots. Biggest problem is lack of AoE.
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Post by simprince on Sept 3, 2015 18:12:21 GMT
I read the earlier discussion about Highest AA and it seemed off topic a bit and ppl are confused about the definition about AA. I am also interested in building an AA char. My definition of AA is, the build should be AGI/CRT. Rarely need MP/HP pot. Given that, I think sniper, ninja, monk, and glad seem to all work. But which one survive better while deal decent damage? I am looking for a char that can solo most bosses constantly. Based on your description/definition, you're looking at a NIN. All of these have skills they can use once in a while and still be primarily AA (no clue on Monk though, never got one high enough) most of the time. AA Sniper sucks solo. Even with a high EVA build you're still a glass cannon that will need pots (HP, and MP once in a while for buffs/occasional Fast) AA Glad and you're kinda stuck with either a Spc Bow or Nail, which works, but at a loss of your two AOE skills that requires Sword to use (I was told, don't have one high enough to experience yet). Berserk is a skill, and costs ALL MP to use AA Nin (90%-99% of NINs lol) are build for AA with occasional DoC as you want. Can switch gears to be more DOC reliant at a loss (usually) or use gears like Emp2 an/or Interfike for faster AA. Defensive capabilities is top notch especially once you take into account the minimal need for MP or HP pots. Biggest problem is lack of AoE. Thank you for analyzing in details. I also opt for ninja although they can't solo some bosses. I personally don't like class where there are too many in game Here is my pieces of map. I already have a high level bishop for farming mobs easily and for buffering. I am also building a pally who solo/pt all bosses, particularly really hard bosses. Since I already can farm mobs and bosses and both of them are skill spammer, I need a char to solo most bosses efficiently and safely, to fill the gap. I tried BS Assassin for this role, its survivability is still a problem - I still die occasionally to boss, which is a problem for bosses that are far far away from town. Given all that, ninja seems to work the best, although many of my bishop buffers become useless to ninja
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Post by mokie on Sept 3, 2015 21:41:33 GMT
I vote for ninja as well. Agi/Crt can not be survive from magic and critical damage due to low hp. Only clone from Ninja class and fast regeneration from Monk can close that gap.
Then, it is up to you to decide. Monk is like the hard mode of Ninja. You will get better at higher level. For Ninja, it is awesome since low level, but you won't get any improvement at all after DoC. Agi/Crt Ninja has only 3 skills to use until now.
Adding; This is my opinion example. If you like to play the hard mode in games to get good stuffs, monk is your best choice. However, if you like to play the easy mode to clear game quickly, ninja is your answer. Agi/Crt Glad is like you are losing in the maze of the games you are playing. Agi/Crt Sniper is like you play games that add only on power without shield.
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Post by simprince on Sept 3, 2015 21:50:37 GMT
I vote for ninja as well. Agi/Crt can not be survive from magic and critical damage due to low hp. Only clone from Ninja class and fast regeneration from Monk can close that gap. Then, it is up to you to decide. Monk is like the hard mode of Ninja. You will get better at higher level. For Ninja, it is awesome since low level, but you won't get any improve at all. Agi/Crt Ninja has only 3 skills to use until now. When can monk outperform ninja? Lvl 250+? Also, you were comparing Agi/Crt monk, not geobreak spammer, right?
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Post by mokie on Sept 3, 2015 22:14:55 GMT
I vote for ninja as well. Agi/Crt can not be survive from magic and critical damage due to low hp. Only clone from Ninja class and fast regeneration from Monk can close that gap. Then, it is up to you to decide. Monk is like the hard mode of Ninja. You will get better at higher level. For Ninja, it is awesome since low level, but you won't get any improve at all. Agi/Crt Ninja has only 3 skills to use until now. When can monk outperform ninja? Lvl 250+? Also, you were comparing Agi/Crt monk, not geobreak spammer, right? I can't say when monk can surpass ninja. Monk, originally, has advantage due to shell break. Monk at low level don't have much mp due to use all status on both agi and crt. With low int of course, mana pool is suck. Heal almost useless. At 180, monk gets Healing. That will make heal become useful. At 200, monk gets Boost HP lvl2 and Chakra lvl3. At this point, AA damage can be comparing to Agi/Crt bow ninja. The gap will be closer at higher level, higher int. Actually, monk starts behind ninja, if comparing about survivability. The gap will be less but not exactly closed. For damage, monk has shell break while ninja has double additional damage. Ninja has a skill for dealing high amount of damage, DoC, while monk has Rush for dealing crazy AA hits.
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Post by haz on Sept 8, 2015 6:20:55 GMT
If you're talking about class with highest effiency as auto atk with (agi crt as base build) imo it'll be monk. Reasons
-No mp/hp pot needed at all because of bless+healing+heal+latest equip released. With testament or huge cherry blossom heal skill is not necessary.
-Best atk speed buff. Rush last 60seconds and it does not completely drain all mp or most mp (max mp -70%). Sniper have fast shoot but only last 10 seconds. Glady have berserk which drain all mp.ninja don't have speed buff unless they use empe
-all passive skill like shell break can stack with additional dmge from equip/xtal like wol or dajarte. Double atk won't work with wol afaik.
-survivality is somehow is a problem for monk against bosses. Ninja survive better than any classes. Glady have skin stone. Monk are kinda squishy atm but sniper suffer most. Soon monk will get 30% hp passive skill and ashura aura (add deff+atk) that will probably surpass agi crt glady in term of survival and dmge
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Post by LeviDane on Sept 8, 2015 7:55:20 GMT
Not sure if people know this but I'm a veteren glady and I'm not sure about whos the best AA. Firstly to answer an earlier question, if you don't use sword you can not use the two aoe skills. But with sword glady is better than most people know. Sword tempest uses 10mp to use and at 100% force (each time you use it, it builds force) it increases your EVA (mine is over 1k) and your atk speed to max. Mobs and bosses pretty much miss every normal attack and stone skin covers you if you do get hit.
I don't know what the % rate of double attack is for me but i'm sure I do it about 70% of the time, at least more than I do single hit. Double attack for me is about 45k. Also tempest on boss I hit 100k+ . And if you do manage to get hit you deal auto counter maybe another 25k. That damage at max attack speed really adds up fast.
The new gladiator skill will make a gladiator rarely ever need to use a pot again. You recover mp and hp on attack (10-20%) and it calculates individually for each individual mob (if attacking more than 1). So if targeting 3 mobs you can be healed 3 times in one hit. The best thing is it also works for everyone in the PT as well. Meaning potentially a lot less stress on bish. Maybe even in some occasions (especially in grinding mobs) won't need a Bish/hw in terms of healing.
In terms of survivability ninja is very good. But gladiator has a higher dps and aoe. Sniper is too squishy in my opinion and I believe so is monk?
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Post by haz on Sept 10, 2015 17:25:01 GMT
Not sure if people know this but I'm a veteren glady and I'm not sure about whos the best AA. Firstly to answer an earlier question, if you don't use sword you can not use the two aoe skills. But with sword glady is better than most people know. Sword tempest uses 10mp to use and at 100% force (each time you use it, it builds force) it increases your EVA (mine is over 1k) and your atk speed to max. Mobs and bosses pretty much miss every normal attack and stone skin covers you if you do get hit. I don't know what the % rate of double attack is for me but i'm sure I do it about 70% of the time, at least more than I do single hit. Double attack for me is about 45k. Also tempest on boss I hit 100k+ . And if you do manage to get hit you deal auto counter maybe another 25k. That damage at max attack speed really adds up fast. The new gladiator skill will make a gladiator rarely ever need to use a pot again. You recover mp and hp on attack (10-20%) and it calculates individually for each individual mob (if attacking more than 1). So if targeting 3 mobs you can be healed 3 times in one hit. The best thing is it also works for everyone in the PT as well. Meaning potentially a lot less stress on bish. Maybe even in some occasions (especially in grinding mobs) won't need a Bish/hw in terms of healing. In terms of survivability ninja is very good. But gladiator has a higher dps and aoe. Sniper is too squishy in my opinion and I believe so is monk? I agree. Sword glady are the one of the best solo class with high dmge atm with str crt vit build which is not really auto atk coz they are spamming sword tempest. With agi crt as base build, glady wont do much.
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Post by simprince on Sept 18, 2015 20:42:37 GMT
I finally started a ninja, which I see so many in game but have never tried myself. Switch job at lvl 100, then solo all bosses with pet to lvl 142 now. Now I understand why so many ninjas in game, because rushing mq is possible and easy - well Zimov is tough.
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