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Post by 7crimsonblades on Jun 25, 2015 9:19:09 GMT
I'm wanting to make a beast knight that's kind of an all arounder meaning auto will be fast enough to not have to spam if i don't want to and i can heal with bite with auto type thing, but also be able to do decent not good damange will skills i was thinking to just go with Vit Dex Crt for bite purposes and spam purposes, does Diel Style make aspd lower with vit or higher? I've tired going through fourms but it's a bit unclear, if higher I'll just do vit dex crt if lower i might want to do a 4 stater like my chanty of vit dex 130 agi and 50+crt depending on lv, still far ways to being a beast knight inky lv 79 adventurer with 0 stat points spent and no mq started. And go
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Post by mab on Jun 25, 2015 11:42:27 GMT
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Post by 7crimsonblades on Jun 25, 2015 21:30:30 GMT
I seen all those forums but thank you for making sure i seen them, i want crt to increase bite chances and dex adds +1.5 to special sword, are you sure crt decreases atk I've never heard or seen a stat actually Decrease atk, def, aspd, ect. And apparently at higher lvls according to a newer forum diel style will make thr cancelation of skills because aspd will blow through it if it isnt fast enough i thibk i may go with vit dex crt and or vit crt dex and depending on my choices for equips i may add str doubtful though any other comments and opinions are very welcome i plan to just lvl my bk using my chanty till at least lv 100 before i add stats and start mq might even wait till lv 120/140
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Post by mab on Jun 25, 2015 22:34:12 GMT
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Jun 26, 2015 1:40:40 GMT
I seen all those forums but thank you for making sure i seen them, i want crt to increase bite chances and dex adds +1.5 to special sword, are you sure crt decreases atk I've never heard or seen a stat actually Decrease atk, def, aspd, ect. And apparently at higher lvls according to a newer forum diel style will make thr cancelation of skills because aspd will blow through it if it isnt fast enough i thibk i may go with vit dex crt and or vit crt dex and depending on my choices for equips i may add str doubtful though any other comments and opinions are very welcome i plan to just lvl my bk using my chanty till at least lv 100 before i add stats and start mq might even wait till lv 120/140 Crt will reduce 1 atk each point you add if you are using special sword, but it won't reduce your aspd nor def.
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Jun 26, 2015 1:51:20 GMT
My short suggestion, I think ,if you don't want to go all the way to spamming style, you might not need dex at all. 130 dex is only can reduce 1sec of tyrant edge approximately. Why dont you just wear delay gear instead?
Editing: Using the other weapon might do higher damage. Crt and special sword do not get along. xD
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Post by 7crimsonblades on Jun 26, 2015 17:18:40 GMT
My short suggestion, I think ,if you don't want to go all the way to spamming style, you might not need dex at all. 130 dex is only can reduce 1sec of tyrant edge approximately. Why dont you just wear delay gear instead? Editing: Using the other weapon might do higher damage. Crt and special sword do not get along. xD I want to do both at a decent rate, my chanty has 320+ int, 80+ vit, 170+dex and 130 agi and he can spam skills at a decent rate not that i need to yet and survive where other chanty couldnt i want my bk to essential do the same thing tank and dmg, a special sword seemed like the way to go should i reconsider a weapon, i've been out of new stuff since ai crystals so i don't know what's new suggestion on weapons for a vit dex crt style would be lovely like virmillion? Would that work since its not a special sword technically
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Jun 26, 2015 20:15:05 GMT
My short suggestion, I think ,if you don't want to go all the way to spamming style, you might not need dex at all. 130 dex is only can reduce 1sec of tyrant edge approximately. Why dont you just wear delay gear instead? Editing: Using the other weapon might do higher damage. Crt and special sword do not get along. xD I want to do both at a decent rate, my chanty has 320+ int, 80+ vit, 170+dex and 130 agi and he can spam skills at a decent rate not that i need to yet and survive where other chanty couldnt i want my bk to essential do the same thing tank and dmg, a special sword seemed like the way to go should i reconsider a weapon, i've been out of new stuff since ai crystals so i don't know what's new suggestion on weapons for a vit dex crt style would be lovely like virmillion? Would that work since its not a special sword technically Actually, it depend on how you distribute the status points. I will give an example on special sword with your status vit dex crt. If you put to much on crt, your critical damage might be low almost the same when you don't have crt, but you get bite more often. And, of course, your skill damage get lower alot. On the other hand, if you have low crt and high vit, you can do better on skill damage, but bite rate will be so low. That is the trade-off between crt and atk when you use an special sword. Look like, Bite and special sword is too contrast. At lower level, you can not add much on crt anyway. The way you play will be vit and dex, so this point will be your highest skill dmg output. Immediately around middle level, after you add crt, skill damage will be reduce because special sword, but you can bite a little more often. If you can bear the feeling when damage drop that way, every thing will be fine, I guess.
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Post by mab on Jun 26, 2015 21:10:15 GMT
hmm, its still complicated when we want to use special sword and do critical hit. maybe i can recommend you this one.
1. use your special sword with VIT>DEX>STR. then use 6 line purple from ai apostolia (for increase your ASPD, CRIT RATE). for maximum your crit rate, try to use equip with CRIT RATE+%. its my opinion about how to maximize your CRIT RATE without add CRIT on stat. ^_^
2. use special nail with STR>CRIT>VIT. (waiting for the new special nail). use 6 line purple (aspd purpose) or 6 line red (def purpose).
or, if you still want to use special sword and add crit on your stat its np because its your choise. your atk will decrease and your critical damage will not high enough just like another auto attacker. if we can calculate =================== from 1 VIT (got 2 atk) from 1 DEX (got 1,5 atk) from 1 STR (got 1 atk) from 1 CRIT (got -1 atk) =================== so, you only gain 3,5 atk from add 4 stat. but, you will have a critical damage (auto attack).
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Post by Aroxis on Jun 26, 2015 22:17:54 GMT
I'm wanting to make a beast knight that's kind of an all arounder meaning auto will be fast enough to not have to spam if i don't want to and i can heal with bite with auto type thing, but also be able to do decent not good damange will skills i was thinking to just go with Vit Dex Crt for bite purposes and spam purposes, does Diel Style make aspd lower with vit or higher? I've tired going through fourms but it's a bit unclear, if higher I'll just do vit dex crt if lower i might want to do a 4 stater like my chanty of vit dex 130 agi and 50+crt depending on lv, still far ways to being a beast knight inky lv 79 adventurer with 0 stat points spent and no mq started. And go -Don't rely on bite. It doesnt heal that often. -Diel style boosts hp by vit. -256 vit gives about 170 added aspd. -IMO just go spam. Aspd builds arent really worth it for bk tbh. Dont add crit if you dont plan on being a full auto attacker becuause bk skills DONT crit at all. Only add crit unless you wanna be full auto attack.
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Post by 7crimsonblades on Jun 26, 2015 22:56:53 GMT
Will crt lower atk with virmillion i know you should never base stats around equips for several reasons but i can always get a stefly if i choose to change, imagine havine the perks of a tank a dps with a higher bite rate then most other builds and a decent spam rate that's what i want to make a character people will love and make them selves and does vermillion atk up by vit? Also i dont care about crt damange to much i just want a higher chance of bite, also crt rate raises bite?? I didnt know rate did anything other then chances of hitting a crt atk
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Post by mab on Jun 27, 2015 0:36:15 GMT
BITE skill explanation "Bite an enemy off guard. Recover HP a little by double attack". since double attack rate : raise when we add CRIT. you can check from the same link on my reply.
idk exactly crit rate will raise BITE chance (from double attack). but, what i know is... CRIT stat will raise chance of double attack and it means more chance to BITE from double attack.
honestly, Vermilion is a normal sword. so, it never raise attack from VIT.
hmm, maybe your answer can be find at BEAST KNIGHT VAMPIRE BUILD thread. if you wanna try more BITE chance.
share to each other about a result of your build stat later.
===NOTE=== let me explain something, VIT>DEX>CRIT (with low AGI for max ASPD) using Special Sword (2,5 attack from 1 VIT, 1 DEX & 1 CRIT). + you have a critical damage, means more higher chance do BITE chance (from double attack chance = CRIT on stat) and more higher recover HP. - your skill damage will be lower, like "Beast Slash" and "Tyrant Edge" since based damage come from attack on status (not from critical damage.
compare with VIT>DEX (with low AGI for max ASPD) using Special Sword (3,5 attack from 1 VIT & 1 DEX). + your skill damage will be higher, like "Beast Slash" and "Tyrant Edge" since based damage come from attack on status (not from critical damage). - you only have a normal damage, means a little chance do BITE and recover HP. ===just for share information===
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Post by mab on Jun 27, 2015 0:55:39 GMT
Will crt lower atk with virmillion i know you should never base stats around equips for several reasons but i can always get a stefly if i choose to change, imagine havine the perks of a tank a dps with a higher bite rate then most other builds and a decent spam rate that's what i want to make a character people will love and make them selves and does vermillion atk up by vit? Also i dont care about crt damange to much i just want a higher chance of bite, also crt rate raises bite?? I didnt know rate did anything other then chances of hitting a crt atk here the table to explain double attack chance from CRIT on stat. (maybe you missed to read it) [CRT] The impact on the critical rate The ATK during the special bow-special nail equipped with every 1 + 1 The ATK-1 at the time of special sword equipped for every 1 Increases part of the skill trigger percent damage during critical probability increases of critical attack (double attack, spell burst) affect the ※ double attack Lv3 trigger percentage verification example (1% + every nine) CRT1 Ten percent CRT30 13% CRT60 17% CRT90 20% CRT120 Twenty four% CRT150 27% CRT180 31% CRT210 34% CRT240 38% CRT256 40%
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Post by 7crimsonblades on Jun 27, 2015 6:50:24 GMT
Thank you Mab, you're very helpful, although I'll be missing several things if i use a barbosa or whatever its called the atk + acc down -.5 delay add gear, With gilgoble will that raise my bite chance or does that only work with an asa bs skill for dbs, and is there another weapon that increases atk by vit at all other then swords that didn't have that crt trade off, i was already planning on sticking a V.blow in one of my gears i do realize that skills aren't effected by crt I'll have to do a lot more research before I'm able to do anything with my bk other then boost him, down side is it will take quite sometime since i work a lot and i have a kid so i don't get on to much at all
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Jun 27, 2015 7:01:23 GMT
Will crt lower atk with virmillion i know you should never base stats around equips for several reasons but i can always get a stefly if i choose to change, imagine havine the perks of a tank a dps with a higher bite rate then most other builds and a decent spam rate that's what i want to make a character people will love and make them selves and does vermillion atk up by vit? Also i dont care about crt damange to much i just want a higher chance of bite, also crt rate raises bite?? I didnt know rate did anything other then chances of hitting a crt atk Crt raises bite proc rate. At 360crt, I can do more than 50% proc rate. However, cri rate won't help. Beside crt status, only autoskill status from items, apostolia purple line, and enchanter skill can raise the proc rate. Adding: I don't know why, after I type something and I read it again, I feel what I typed is weird. LOL
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