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Post by Umaru-chan on Jun 13, 2015 5:22:20 GMT
So, what you mean is to leave crt to be maxed last, after apostolia? If that is it it's not really the same thing as you are actually saying (looks like dont go over 120 crt at all) and its also not the same case we are talking about. We are not talking about crt to increase critical rate or even damage, but to increase the double attack rate, in which crt abilities wont help (at least not much). That's not to say it can't be left for later (say, after getting apostolia) but it's something that should be considered (not saying you have to max it, just that you should think if you might wanna max it later or not). So now I understand why the agi was so low, what i wanted to say was just that you could save those points you put on dex and place them somewhere else where it might be more helpful to you (your atk or survival stats for instance) because they wont make much of a difference on cooldown time. Btw, I agree with you on the crt thing, get enough for a nice crit rate than go for your other stats because at lower levels they make more of a difference than the crt. For the agi I don't think its a good idea to get rid of the 100-130 agi to put in other stats cause as I said vit passive only increases Atk speed not Eva which increases survivability by a lot. Also with Dex 10-20 might not seem like much and you could prob get Reid of it with a stelphy book later on but between lvl 120-160 trust me you want the Dex because of the increases Atk and better accuracy. The biggest reason thou is critical atks don't activate passive HP steal for Lamia II If you settle only on Lamia, you will miss out on most good stuff i mean, there are alot of swords to abuse element advantage.... Also 100-130agi for aspd is ok, but if your goal is evasion then it wont help on the long run. I dont seem to recall absorb formula of lamia but i think it mostly rely on your dmg, so crt maybe an important factor to increase the hp absorb and not the % to activate it since only +autoskill abilities/effects only raises it and Bite(from what i understand) only triggers when double attack procs to which crt plays a significant role in raising its trigger rate as well as damage ^^
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reapred
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Post by reapred on Jun 13, 2015 17:17:03 GMT
Well I have explained throughout the post most of the reasons I have what I have so please read over the entire post okay.
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Jun 14, 2015 2:18:03 GMT
I think you should decide to go with autoattack or skill spammer first. Both mix together is not gonna be good at higher level.
Firstly, the fact of vampire blow is 1/3 hp absorbed from skill damage. The damage equal to our atk NO crt damage adding. Thus, if you want to use vampire blow spamming, you can use it with vit>dex>str build. Special sword will give you the highest atk. Spam Tyrant Edge and spam Vampire Blow to save some pots.
For BK bite, I'm still confused how hp gain relates. It is so random. But, crt will add it procrate a little. If you like to do autoattack. Crt is a good choice.
From your equipment, I think adding more autoskill might be better. Vampire blow will just make you hit slower. When you hit slower, your procrate will be reduced.
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reapred
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Post by reapred on Jun 14, 2015 3:40:00 GMT
I think you should decide to go with autoattack or skill spammer first. Both mix together is not gonna be good at higher level. Firstly, the fact of vampire blow is 1/3 hp absorbed from skill damage. The damage equal to our atk NO crt damage adding. Thus, if you want to use vampire blow spamming, you can use it with vit>dex>str build. Special sword will give you the highest atk. Spam Tyrant Edge and spam Vampire Blow to save some pots. For BK bite, I'm still confused how hp gain relates. It is so random. But, crt will add it procrate a little. If you like to do autoattack. Crt is a good choice. From your equipment, I think adding more autoskill might be better. Vampire blow will just make you hit slower. When you hit slower, your procrate will be reduced. ...did you not read the post most of the gear activates on hit. And the ones that don't still spam at a rate were you don't need auto up basically DO NOT USE ANY AUTOSKILL XTALLS OR ABILITIES WASTE OF TIME. Sry if that sounds rude but several peeps have suggested it and several times I have said don't do it. Read the post its not that long. Dex is a build I am strongly against for the vampire build maxing str is enough 10-20 Dex is good for the slight boost but other than that its not a good idea.
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Post by Umaru-chan on Jun 14, 2015 4:03:27 GMT
Well I have explained throughout the post most of the reasons I have what I have so please read over the entire post okay. I actually read/understand where youre going..... Im just pointing some things out, like 130agi will ONLY help on aspd and not on eva. 10-30 so dex wouldnt help on cspd. 90crt is low if you want to take advantage of Bite(procs with Double attack). So what mokie advised was probably the one to use if you want to spam Vampire blow. on the other hand, i dont have the right to push my ideas on you. What matters most is you having no regrets on your build and also as long as you ENJOY IT. ^^
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Jun 14, 2015 4:06:32 GMT
I think you should decide to go with autoattack or skill spammer first. Both mix together is not gonna be good at higher level. Firstly, the fact of vampire blow is 1/3 hp absorbed from skill damage. The damage equal to our atk NO crt damage adding. Thus, if you want to use vampire blow spamming, you can use it with vit>dex>str build. Special sword will give you the highest atk. Spam Tyrant Edge and spam Vampire Blow to save some pots. For BK bite, I'm still confused how hp gain relates. It is so random. But, crt will add it procrate a little. If you like to do autoattack. Crt is a good choice. From your equipment, I think adding more autoskill might be better. Vampire blow will just make you hit slower. When you hit slower, your procrate will be reduced. ...did you not read the post most of the gear activates on hit. And the ones that don't still spam at a rate were you don't need auto up basically DO NOT USE ANY AUTOSKILL XTALLS OR ABILITIES WASTE OF TIME. Sry if that sounds rude but several peeps have suggested it and several times I have said don't do it. Read the post its not that long. Dex is a build I am strongly against for the vampire build maxing str is enough 10-20 Dex is good for the slight boost but other than that its not a good idea. I have already read. The point I just say is that it would be better if you focus on only autoattack or spam vampire blow. And because the gear activates on hit, I think adding more autoskill might be better. Autoskill didn't mean autoskill xtal, but I mean any equipment that +autoskill status. These autoskill statuses will add your activated rate. For example, hp recovery rate from saltus, hp absorbed rate from LamiaII, bite rate from BK's skill, even hp recovery from huge cherry blossom will be added by autoskill status gear. I'm sorry, too, If I'm confusing you. From the vampire blow thing, I'm not recommend to use this if you plan to make autoattack build. However, if you like this xtal. You can use it with high atk build. I'm not say adding dex for vampire blow. I just tell you that you can boost the highest atk by using special sword vit=2atk, dex=1.5atk, and str=1atk. Overall is 4.5 higher than almost the other weapons. Also, vit>dex>str build can use Tyrant Edge as popular BK build.
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reapred
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Post by reapred on Jun 14, 2015 4:33:32 GMT
...did you not read the post most of the gear activates on hit. And the ones that don't still spam at a rate were you don't need auto up basically DO NOT USE ANY AUTOSKILL XTALLS OR ABILITIES WASTE OF TIME. Sry if that sounds rude but several peeps have suggested it and several times I have said don't do it. Read the post its not that long. Dex is a build I am strongly against for the vampire build maxing str is enough 10-20 Dex is good for the slight boost but other than that its not a good idea. I have already read. The point I just say is that it would be better if you focus on only autoattack or spam vampire blow. And because the gear activates on hit, I think adding more autoskill might be better. Autoskill didn't mean autoskill xtal, but I mean any equipment that +autoskill status. These autoskill statuses will add your activated rate. For example, hp recovery rate from saltus, hp absorbed rate from LamiaII, bite rate from BK's skill, even hp recovery from huge cherry blossom will be added by autoskill status gear. I'm sorry, too, If I'm confusing you. From the vampire blow thing, I'm not recommend to use this if you plan to make autoattack build. However, if you like this xtal. You can use it with high atk build. I'm not say adding dex for vampire blow. I just tell you that you can boost the highest atk by using special sword vit=2atk, dex=1.5atk, and str=1atk. Overall is 4.5 higher than almost the other weapons. Also, vit>dex>str build can use Tyrant Edge as popular BK build. Then make different post about it this post is about vampire build not a popular weapon everyone uses for beast knight. Without lamia II or the vampire blow you basically have a high Atk build with HP recovery as I said post somewhere else or I will report you for saying another build is better or you should use this weapon because its better. That's not the vampire build the only useful info in your post is the cherry blossom which is why I have not already reported you. I may be sounding like a dck but seriously make a separate post what your talking about is not even remotely related to a build that focases on stealing HP or mp from opponent.
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Jun 14, 2015 5:15:55 GMT
I have already read. The point I just say is that it would be better if you focus on only autoattack or spam vampire blow. And because the gear activates on hit, I think adding more autoskill might be better. Autoskill didn't mean autoskill xtal, but I mean any equipment that +autoskill status. These autoskill statuses will add your activated rate. For example, hp recovery rate from saltus, hp absorbed rate from LamiaII, bite rate from BK's skill, even hp recovery from huge cherry blossom will be added by autoskill status gear. I'm sorry, too, If I'm confusing you. From the vampire blow thing, I'm not recommend to use this if you plan to make autoattack build. However, if you like this xtal. You can use it with high atk build. I'm not say adding dex for vampire blow. I just tell you that you can boost the highest atk by using special sword vit=2atk, dex=1.5atk, and str=1atk. Overall is 4.5 higher than almost the other weapons. Also, vit>dex>str build can use Tyrant Edge as popular BK build. Then make different post about it this post is about vampire build not a popular weapon everyone uses for beast knight. Without lamia II or the vampire blow you basically have a high Atk build with HP recovery as I said post somewhere else or I will report you for saying another build is better or you should use this weapon because its better. That's not the vampire build the only useful info in your post is the cherry blossom which is why I have not already reported you. I may be sounding like a dck but seriously make a separate post what your talking about is not even remotely related to a build that focases on stealing HP or mp from opponent. Hey, calm down first. All I said, I didn't force you to do so. It's just suggestion. I'm sorry if you are feeling that way. All I suggest that vampire blow is not useful if you like to do autoattack. Every time you use vampire blow skill, that will interrupt your autoattack. You will lose continuity of activated skills from your Saltus, LamiaII, and Bite when you use vampire blow. All that equipment can not be activated if you use skill. That's the point. Imagine if you can hit fast and activate skill often. You can get hp from every hit you do. Why do you have to interrupt your fun time with vampire blow skill?
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reapred
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Post by reapred on Jun 14, 2015 5:49:21 GMT
Then make different post about it this post is about vampire build not a popular weapon everyone uses for beast knight. Without lamia II or the vampire blow you basically have a high Atk build with HP recovery as I said post somewhere else or I will report you for saying another build is better or you should use this weapon because its better. That's not the vampire build the only useful info in your post is the cherry blossom which is why I have not already reported you. I may be sounding like a dck but seriously make a separate post what your talking about is not even remotely related to a build that focases on stealing HP or mp from opponent. Hey, calm down first. All I said, I didn't force you to do so. It's just suggestion. I'm sorry if you are feeling that way. All I suggest that vampire blow is not useful if you like to do autoattack. Every time you use vampire blow skill, that will interrupt your autoattack. You will lose continuity of activated skills from your Saltus, LamiaII, and Bite when you use vampire blow. All that equipment can not be activated if you use skill. That's the point. Imagine if you can hit fast and activate skill often. You can get hp from every hit you do. Why do you have to interrupt your fun time with vampire blow skill? As I said earlier in the post vampire blow is going to be your strongest HP steal especially with bleed bonus
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Post by mab on Jun 14, 2015 7:56:49 GMT
i wanna add this weapon : Caduceus (ROD) since 1 STR = add 3 ATK, 1 DEX = add 1 atk for rod. 1 INT = add 1 atk (ATK: 175-185-190 DEF: during the 3 MATK + 8% cast time -20% consumption MP + 5% attack, the probability of damage absorption available) u can create this rod at bailune city.
Using Lamia II and Caduceus rod is recommended to add damage absorb. idk exactly it will work with "TYRANT EDGE" damage, if Lamia II and Caduceus work well with "TYRANT EDGE" damage it will be nice damage absorb and (STR>DEX>VIT will work well in my opinion if "TYRANT EDGE" work well to absorb damage)
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reapred
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Post by reapred on Jun 14, 2015 19:10:02 GMT
i wanna add this weapon : Caduceus (ROD) since 1 STR = add 3 ATK, 1 DEX = add 1 atk for rod. (ATK: 175-185-190 DEF: during the 3 MATK + 8% cast time -20% consumption MP + 5% attack, the probability of damage absorption available) u can create this rod at bailune city. Using Lamia II and Caduceus rod is recommended to add damage absorb. idk exactly it will work with "TYRANT EDGE" damage, if Lamia II and Caduceus work well with "TYRANT EDGE" damage it will be nice damage absorb and (STR>DEX>VIT will work well in my opinion if "TYRANT EDGE" work well to absorb damage) I was unaware that knights specialized in using rods mind telling me what class You were thinking Caduceus for and then create a vampire post in that class because this is a vampire post specializing in beast knights have another class idea re:post it elsewhere. As for tyrants edge I will look into it but the equips I have are there because they strongly complete the build. I still disagree with using a rod for a beast knight class but tyrants edge may be worth looking into.
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mokie
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Post by mokie on Jun 14, 2015 19:46:39 GMT
Rod is not 1dex=1atk. It is int. Moreover, the biggest problem is Diel Style won't work with rod. Although I have heard Caduceus is doing better damage absorption than LamiaII, I still think LamiaII is better as possibility to activate hp absorption.
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Post by mab on Jun 14, 2015 20:21:29 GMT
ty for correcting me. ^^ Caduceus can do damage absorption and still doin vampire build as a topic. but, if u dont mind. i will correct it latter. i forgot caduceus add damage from STR and INT. >.< (how fool i'm)
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Post by ravage on Jun 16, 2015 6:07:03 GMT
upcoming upgrade to Lamia
Lamia III When attacking 240-255 darkness magical resistance + 10% MaxMP-20%, damage absorption ASPD + 10% auto skills triggered + 5% with a probability: ATK (hidden correction: 5% damage reflection) Get: Capital Erudan [blacksmith] Sale price: Numerical value of fixed +60 ATK = Lamia II: Remarks
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reapred
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Post by reapred on Jun 16, 2015 19:29:49 GMT
upcoming upgrade to Lamia Lamia III When attacking 240-255 darkness magical resistance + 10% MaxMP-20%, damage absorption ASPD + 10% auto skills triggered + 5% with a probability: ATK (hidden correction: 5% damage reflection) Get: Capital Erudan [blacksmith] Sale price: Numerical value of fixed +60 ATK = Lamia II: Remarks Nice can't wait for it to come out.
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