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Post by simprince on May 26, 2015 5:58:57 GMT
While this looks very cool, I wonder how to make this build realistic. At lvl 256, it has no VIT and survivability comes only from AGI. So gear must provide some +HP. Autoskill is a must. +Atk is also needed. What gear set can provide all these? Weapon: Muramasa s Pulis Tech 5 Body: Exelis reup s Dorry (switch out for Ira which will be out soon, you get 1.5s delay by using soon to come boss xtals) QC 5 Additional: Daiginjo Holiday s Raton Auto 5 and Auto 4 Special: Millie Cellist s WoL (VIT up by 50% of lvl if using sword, the strongest special equip in the game imo) Tech 4 Al xtals: 3 red, 2 blue (copy paste from Iruna Senki Wiki incoming) ▲ Kerutiru Available: Kerutiru Lv296 Effect: skill delay -1 seconds item delay +0.5 seconds ▲ Mamonea Available: Mamonea Lv295 Effect: Critical Damage + 5% critical rate of + 10% magic resistance -10% ▲ Maerurieru Available: Maerurieru Lv290 Effect: ASPD + 10% casting time -10% delay -0.5 seconds ▲ Val Tear Available: MoriRyu Val Tier Lv276 Effect: ATK + 3% absolute avoidance + 2% MATK-3% ▲ Arutan Available: old dragon Arutan Lv274 Effect: HP + 1000 auto skills trigger + 1% rate relief + 5% OR ▲ Rakasu Available: lake dragon Rakasu Lv284 Effect: MaxMP + 500 auto skills trigger + 1% range reduces + 5% These are all available on JP already, so it's not too long to go until we get them. Wow, I am new and have not heard of many gears here. How much does it cost in total? Also, given all these, how much more damage can it gain against a VIT/DEX/AGI/STR build with also top-class gears?
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Post by Ryukengan on May 26, 2015 7:12:04 GMT
simprince It's 1 billion spina+ if you want it just the way I listed it here, it'll do at least twice as much damage, ramping up to 5-10 times, depending on how lucky you get with the autoskills once you get the Mamonea xtal you may also swap out the tech 5 on sword for a QC4 and place a Ziddu inside, this will grand you 1% more ATK and 3% more Autoskill, it doesn't sound like much but will make a big difference.
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Post by simprince on May 26, 2015 16:16:58 GMT
I don't understand. How can STR auto issen build do 2x damage than VIT build? Stat-wise, STR/DEX/AGI do 5 damage whereas VIT/DEX/AGI do 4.5. STR build uses autoskill to trigger issen and VIT build spam issen explicitly. Does the additional damage come from issen damage per hit or faster issen spamming?
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Post by Ryukengan on May 26, 2015 16:42:00 GMT
I don't understand. How can STR auto issen build do 2x damage than VIT build? Stat-wise, STR/DEX/AGI do 5 damage whereas VIT/DEX/AGI do 4.5. STR build uses autoskill to trigger issen and VIT build spam issen explicitly. Does the additional damage come from issen damage per hit or faster issen spamming? STR damage gear provides more damage, Muramasa/Masamune has a chance to trigger a version of Issen on hit, with dual blow it can proc (activate) twice, your critical damage also activates twice, each hit then again has a chance to trigger Warrior of Light xtal, which again adds another hit on top. If you get lucky enough this will result in 2 x Issen and 4 x critical damage per second, whereas VIT build spam will only do 1 Issen per second. The damage potential of this build is way higher. Edit: You may also uses 6 different Daiginjos with the elemental xtals (since they provide 1% autoskill they're pretty nice to have but you need 6 and will need more Spina for Autoskill ability or have to move it around all the time)
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Post by simprince on May 26, 2015 17:36:59 GMT
I don't understand. How can STR auto issen build do 2x damage than VIT build? Stat-wise, STR/DEX/AGI do 5 damage whereas VIT/DEX/AGI do 4.5. STR build uses autoskill to trigger issen and VIT build spam issen explicitly. Does the additional damage come from issen damage per hit or faster issen spamming? STR damage gear provides more damage, Muramasa/Masamune has a chance to trigger a version of Issen on hit, with dual blow it can proc (activate) twice, your critical damage also activates twice, each hit then again has a chance to trigger Warrior of Light xtal, which again adds another hit on top. If you get lucky enough this will result in 2 x Issen and 4 x critical damage per second, whereas VIT build spam will only do 1 Issen per second. The damage potential of this build is way higher. Edit: You may also uses 6 different Daiginjos with the elemental xtals (since they provide 1% autoskill they're pretty nice to have but you need 6 and will need more Spina for Autoskill ability or have to move it around all the time) Thanks for the clear explanation. In reality, is the proc rate good enough? I mean, 2 x issen + 4 crt damage assumes 100% autoskill, right? Also, dual blow has cool down.
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Post by simprince on May 26, 2015 17:41:17 GMT
I really love to execute your idea. The only concern is, this plan has a few critical dependencies to work. First, murasama must be obtained. Second, Millie Cellist for hp, otherwise, 10k damage from boss will kill. Neither is easy to get or cheap. Before getting these two gears, leveling could be super difficult, right?
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Post by Ryukengan on May 26, 2015 19:13:28 GMT
I really love to execute your idea. The only concern is, this plan has a few critical dependencies to work. First, murasama must be obtained. Second, Millie Cellist for hp, otherwise, 10k damage from boss will kill. Neither is easy to get or cheap. Before getting these two gears, leveling could be super difficult, right? The only way you can do this build while leveling is if you have another character and sit on a lot of Spina, 10k damage from boss won't kill since you will get about 20k HP from Millie Cellist only. The main difficulty will be to get a slotted Millie Cellist. Edit: You could do a "budget version" with Masamune, Exelis reup, and Barbarotita up (will be out in 2 cities), which would require you to get 0.5s delay only through other sources but your damage would be a lot lower.
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Post by simprince on May 26, 2015 19:50:47 GMT
I really love to execute your idea. The only concern is, this plan has a few critical dependencies to work. First, murasama must be obtained. Second, Millie Cellist for hp, otherwise, 10k damage from boss will kill. Neither is easy to get or cheap. Before getting these two gears, leveling could be super difficult, right? The only way you can do this build while leveling is if you have another character and sit on a lot of Spina, 10k damage from boss won't kill since you will get about 20k HP from Millie Cellist only. The main difficulty will be to get a slotted Millie Cellist. Edit: You could do a "budget version" with Masamune, Exelis reup, and Barbarotita up (will be out in 2 cities), which would require you to get 0.5s delay only through other sources but your damage would be a lot lower. Oh, so Masamune can also trigger issen?
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Post by loboelrey on May 26, 2015 23:01:46 GMT
I really love to execute your idea. The only concern is, this plan has a few critical dependencies to work. First, murasama must be obtained. Second, Millie Cellist for hp, otherwise, 10k damage from boss will kill. Neither is easy to get or cheap. Before getting these two gears, leveling could be super difficult, right? The only way you can do this build while leveling is if you have another character and sit on a lot of Spina, 10k damage from boss won't kill since you will get about 20k HP from Millie Cellist only. The main difficulty will be to get a slotted Millie Cellist. Edit: You could do a "budget version" with Masamune, Exelis reup, and Barbarotita up (will be out in 2 cities), which would require you to get 0.5s delay only through other sources but your damage would be a lot lower. What drops Millie Cellist sir lol I wana give ur set up a shot especially I been having trouble wit my samurai
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Post by Ryukengan on May 27, 2015 5:04:45 GMT
The only way you can do this build while leveling is if you have another character and sit on a lot of Spina, 10k damage from boss won't kill since you will get about 20k HP from Millie Cellist only. The main difficulty will be to get a slotted Millie Cellist. Edit: You could do a "budget version" with Masamune, Exelis reup, and Barbarotita up (will be out in 2 cities), which would require you to get 0.5s delay only through other sources but your damage would be a lot lower. What drops Millie Cellist sir lol I wana give ur set up a shot especially I been having trouble wit my samurai It's from a monster which is just 2 updates away (copy paste from Iruna Senki Wiki) Muzuraku Lv260 · 262 Drop: torn cloth, blue metal piece, spear of debris, Millie cellist [special] Special attack: not Attribute: water / weaknesses: wind EXP: 13206 · 13405 Aggression: Passive simprince It's an additional attack that looks like Issen, the damage is just very slightly lower.
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Post by loboelrey on May 27, 2015 13:58:49 GMT
What drops Millie Cellist sir lol I wana give ur set up a shot especially I been having trouble wit my samurai It's from a monster which is just 2 updates away (copy paste from Iruna Senki Wiki) Muzuraku Lv260 · 262 Drop: torn cloth, blue metal piece, spear of debris, Millie cellist [special] Special attack: not Attribute: water / weaknesses: wind EXP: 13206 · 13405 Aggression: Passive simprince It's an additional attack that looks like Issen, the damage is just very slightly lower. Ahhh alright thx soo much
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Post by Elsydeon on Jun 4, 2015 1:11:24 GMT
I don't understand. How can STR auto issen build do 2x damage than VIT build? Stat-wise, STR/DEX/AGI do 5 damage whereas VIT/DEX/AGI do 4.5. STR build uses autoskill to trigger issen and VIT build spam issen explicitly. Does the additional damage come from issen damage per hit or faster issen spamming? STR damage gear provides more damage, Muramasa/Masamune has a chance to trigger a version of Issen on hit, with dual blow it can proc (activate) twice, your critical damage also activates twice, each hit then again has a chance to trigger Warrior of Light xtal, which again adds another hit on top. If you get lucky enough this will result in 2 x Issen and 4 x critical damage per second, whereas VIT build spam will only do 1 Issen per second. The damage potential of this build is way higher. Edit: You may also uses 6 different Daiginjos with the elemental xtals (since they provide 1% autoskill they're pretty nice to have but you need 6 and will need more Spina for Autoskill ability or have to move it around all the time) Something like this, right? Also im using dajarte xtal and it stacks with auto issen and wol so basically (2x crt dmge + 2x issen + 2x wol + 2x dajarte, this photo is out of date but ill try and get a new one later on.) Attachments:
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Post by Ryukengan on Jun 5, 2015 12:17:20 GMT
STR damage gear provides more damage, Muramasa/Masamune has a chance to trigger a version of Issen on hit, with dual blow it can proc (activate) twice, your critical damage also activates twice, each hit then again has a chance to trigger Warrior of Light xtal, which again adds another hit on top. If you get lucky enough this will result in 2 x Issen and 4 x critical damage per second, whereas VIT build spam will only do 1 Issen per second. The damage potential of this build is way higher. Edit: You may also uses 6 different Daiginjos with the elemental xtals (since they provide 1% autoskill they're pretty nice to have but you need 6 and will need more Spina for Autoskill ability or have to move it around all the time) Something like this, right? Also im using dajarte xtal and it stacks with auto issen and wol so basically (2x crt dmge + 2x issen + 2x wol + 2x dajarte, this photo is out of date but ill try and get a new one later on.) Yeah but that one only has Masamune and another additional attack (probably Obligaus), with WoL it would be way higher. Dajarte is honestly not that good for this build, I only recommend it on Body Equipment, if even. ATK/MATK hybrids benefit way more from Dajarte than this build.
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Post by Elsydeon on Jun 5, 2015 17:28:02 GMT
I was using muramasa at that moment, and the fact that dajarte adds another additional atk is nice for me since it atleast gives me an additional dmge of 8-9k, worry not about their hp, with high vit they can use huge cherry blossom and just think about their mp.
Edit : Correction, dual blow doesnt make you atk 4x it just forces your char to atk twice in a quick succession, so the thing you said about x4 crt dmge hit is false
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Post by Elsydeon on Jun 5, 2015 17:38:06 GMT
Oh and yes i was using WOL
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