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Post by simprince on May 5, 2015 18:57:23 GMT
If you are not new to the game, please disregard.
If you just install the game and you are level 1, please read. There are only two builds you should consider: AGI or INT first. There are reasons why Ninja and HW are the two most popular classes. Find a good guild - a guild with more than 10 chars higher than lvl 200. Do your mq till at least level 120.
1. With max AGI build, even equipped with a claw or koda ns, you can solo skeleton, flame rocker, dark warrior, ... and kill some mq bosses, relatively safe to run for mq tasks. After max AGI, you should know the game much better to decide what class and what stat to max next
2. With max INT build, you can heal. You may find helpers for your mq boss, but helpers often ask if you can heal to revive them when they die. No one want to walk across maps after death to help again. Can solo mini bosses and even hard bosses after you learn drain.
3. If you are lucky to get a special sword like katz from your friend, VIT build is also fine. Use hard hit to solo mini boss. Very very safe to walk across maps for mq.
From level 1, do quests and farm until you afford s bangle (to survive) and a ns weapon (for some solo mq), then mq, mq, only mq. Ask guilies, pass-by, people in town to help mq. Leveling up from 20 to 80 should take you 1 or 2 days. Don't waste time begging for equip. Don't waste time doing other quests before level 120. If no one can help at the time, quit the game and do something else.
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Post by Tilt*Madara on May 5, 2015 20:50:32 GMT
While the guide can be appreciated, being more specific as to why to choose those stats would help. You should also give the classes.
For Example. Someone wants to be a gladiator thinking they can heal if they use the INT build.
also what if you want to be a sniper or a samurai which usually doesnt have any of those stats? Then a reset book is needed or they will quit and be weak all together.
Theres a lot more I could say But I ddnt make the topic lol. Dont wanna Hijack it.
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Post by Jeancarlo on May 5, 2015 21:05:56 GMT
If you are not new to the game, please disregard. If you just install the game and you are level 1, please read. There are only two builds you should consider: AGI or INT first. There are reasons why Ninja and HW are the two most popular classes. Find a good guild - a guild with more than 10 chars higher than lvl 200. Do your mq till at least level 120. 1. With max AGI build, even equipped with a claw or koda ns, you can solo skeleton, flame rocker, dark warrior, ... and kill some mq bosses, relatively safe to run for mq tasks. After max AGI, you should know the game much better to decide what class and what stat to max next 2. With max INT build, you can heal. You may find helpers for your mq boss, but helpers often ask if you can heal to revive them when they die. No one want to walk across maps after death to help again. Can solo mini bosses and even hard bosses after you learn drain. 3. If you are lucky to get a special sword like katz from your friend, VIT build is also fine. Use hard hit to solo mini boss. Very very safe to walk across maps for mq. From level 1, do quests and farm until you afford s bangle (to survive) and a ns weapon (for some solo mq), then mq, mq, only mq. Ask guilies, pass-by, people in town to help mq. Leveling up from 20 to 80 should take you 1 or 2 days. Don't waste time begging for equip. Don't waste time doing other quests before level 120. If no one can help at the time, quit the game and do something else. I realize you wish to be helpful, but posting erroneous "guides" whether intentionally or not is Not helpful at all. And no offense, but based on this post alone, I would say You need to read the guides already here on the Forums instead of making one yourself. You still have a Lot to learn if you believe even one sentence of your post. While the guide can be appreciated, being more specific as to why to choose those stats would help. You should also give the classes. For Example. Someone wants to be a gladiator thinking they can heal if they use the INT build. also what if you want to be a sniper or a samurai which usually doesnt have any of those stats? Then a reset book is needed or they will quit and be weak all together. Theres a lot more I could say But I ddnt make the topic lol. Dont wanna Hijack it. It's almost impossible not to "hijack" this thread and still be honest.
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Post by simprince on May 5, 2015 21:25:00 GMT
Note that I am talking about FIRST char for real newbie. Yes, there are many classes and builds. But imagine a level 1 char with 0 spina goes for DEX/STR sniper build. How long does it take this char to level to get crossfire? The difficulty in leveling easily kills the interest of playing the game. Once a player has a high-level char, using that char to help grow a new char becomes easier.
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Roxzen
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Goodbye :) Thanks for the memories Iruna, the Forums was an awesome place!
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Post by Roxzen on May 5, 2015 21:32:41 GMT
Note that I am talking about FIRST char for real newbie. Yes, there are many classes and builds. But imagine a level 1 char with 0 spina goes for DEX/STR sniper build. How long does it take this char to level to get crossfire? The difficulty in leveling easily kills the interest of playing the game. Once a player has a high-level char, using that char to help grow a new char becomes easier. However the fact that you said skip low lvl quests and rush mq is not good, regardless if they are new players. Taking time to learn the game is much better than rushing through to get to higher lvls. Relying on a higher lvl players to get you through mq will get you nowhere because you'll eventually get used to being spoon fed So what its hard and takes a long time, you'll learn more instead of being a high lvl nub
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Post by simprince on May 5, 2015 21:50:23 GMT
Note that I am talking about FIRST char for real newbie. Yes, there are many classes and builds. But imagine a level 1 char with 0 spina goes for DEX/STR sniper build. How long does it take this char to level to get crossfire? The difficulty in leveling easily kills the interest of playing the game. Once a player has a high-level char, using that char to help grow a new char becomes easier. However the fact that you said skip low lvl quests and rush mq is not good, regardless if they are new players. Taking time to learn the game is much better than rushing through to get to higher lvls. Relying on a higher lvl players to get you through mq will get you nowhere because you'll eventually get used to being spoon fed So what its hard and takes a long time, you'll learn more instead of being a high lvl nub I agree that learning is important. But rushing mq for 2 days and spend the rest 28 days enjoying/learning with a high level char is better than spending 30 days learning with a low level IMO. Higher level means you can reach areas that low level cannot, farm mobs/items that low level cannot. To me, the additional opportunities brought by higher level bring more learning experience than from a low level char.
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Post by Jeancarlo on May 5, 2015 22:08:59 GMT
Note that I am talking about FIRST char for real newbie. Yes, there are many classes and builds. But imagine a level 1 char with 0 spina goes for DEX/STR sniper build. How long does it take this char to level to get crossfire? The difficulty in leveling easily kills the interest of playing the game. Once a player has a high-level char, using that char to help grow a new char becomes easier. I understand that, and believe me, I remember how hard it was when I was starting out. TBH, any one who follows your guide, even assuming they come close to the right class (since you didn't even specify that) will only get frustrated. This is basically what you're recommending, and their consequences: A L96 (approx when you have enough stat pts to max 1 stat) with Max Agi and nothing else = a very fast attacker who misses a lot (no Dex for Hits, or CRT for crt hits) and the attacks that Do land will be Normal dmg with a low 5% chance to land a crt dmg. And any crt that does land, will also be low. And while EVA will be comparatively high, your HP is so low (even with the sea bangle ns) that any magic attack that hits you will cut quite a bit of hp (you cannot eva them that well even with max agi). Even a L100 Ninja with Max Agi and ~15 Crt will probably quit or re-stat. Only a Cleric/Bishop will benefit from max Int for healing. A Wiz Heal3 is weak. A Cleric>monk max int will need to wait a Long time to fully utilize their max int later on that they'll basically be playing an App Bish until they get close to 200s. Any other class that follows your "guide" will be in a world of pain. As alluded to already, there are only so many classes that will benefit from using a Vit build with a Special Sword like Katz. hint: 1-2 normal classes and possibly 1 special, and I doubt that one.
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Roxzen
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Goodbye :) Thanks for the memories Iruna, the Forums was an awesome place!
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Post by Roxzen on May 5, 2015 22:10:37 GMT
However the fact that you said skip low lvl quests and rush mq is not good, regardless if they are new players. Taking time to learn the game is much better than rushing through to get to higher lvls. Relying on a higher lvl players to get you through mq will get you nowhere because you'll eventually get used to being spoon fed So what its hard and takes a long time, you'll learn more instead of being a high lvl nub I agree that learning is important. But rushing mq for 2 days and spend the rest 28 days enjoying/learning with a high level char is better than spending 30 days learning with a low level IMO. Higher level means you can reach areas that low level cannot, farm mobs/items that low level cannot. To me, the additional opportunities brought by higher level bring more learning experience than from a low level char. Sure lets go with that Me:Hmm I'll go rush mq Im a nub in this game I don't have any spina Yay! lvl 180 Ninja in 2 days let me take on this high ent with my Adventurer garb, Hachigane and shortsword! Ahh dangit I cant kill these guys why can't I kill them? Now Joining a guild: Me: Hi ^^ Guildies: Hello Me: Who can help me with the mq? Guildies: Gtfo -gets kicked- Im sorry but thats just how it goes majority of the time. Seriously, the reason I don't like it when new players rush mq is the fact that they get placed into a class with skills they're not ready for yet. At lvl 180 most people would expect you know the general playstyle of your class and have the gear to support you. Take ninja for example, if you don't have the gear to clone you're basically screwed. When talking about new players they don't know a thing! They don't know much about kiting, Ninja's cloning, general lvling areas, playstyles, gear etc. etc. If you place them with a character that is way out of their current skill level not to mention crappy ass equips they are bound to not know what to do and complain (probably quit too)
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Post by simprince on May 5, 2015 22:39:44 GMT
I agree that learning is important. But rushing mq for 2 days and spend the rest 28 days enjoying/learning with a high level char is better than spending 30 days learning with a low level IMO. Higher level means you can reach areas that low level cannot, farm mobs/items that low level cannot. To me, the additional opportunities brought by higher level bring more learning experience than from a low level char. Sure lets go with that Me:Hmm I'll go rush mq Im a nub in this game I don't have any spina Yay! lvl 180 Ninja in 2 days let me take on this high ent with my Adventurer garb, Hachigane and shortsword! Ahh dangit I cant kill these guys why can't I kill them? Now Joining a guild: Me: Hi ^^ Guildies: Hello Me: Who can help me with the mq? Guildies: Gtfo -gets kicked- Im sorry but thats just how it goes majority of the time. Seriously, the reason I don't like it when new players rush mq is the fact that they get placed into a class with skills they're not ready for yet. At lvl 180 most people would expect you know the general playstyle of your class and have the gear to support you. Take ninja for example, if you don't have the gear to clone you're basically screwed. When talking about new players they don't know a thing! They don't know much about kiting, Ninja's cloning, general lvling areas, playstyles, gear etc. etc. If you place them with a character that is way out of their current skill level not to mention crappy ass equips they are bound to not know what to do and complain (probably quit too) You completely get me wrong from the beginning. I am comparing two growth paths for beginners. You are comparing a beginner with an experienced player with the same level. Day 0, a new char created with lvl 1. After 2 days Path #1: Lvl 15, with some slightly better gears than lvl 1, probably killing spider outside rokoko Path #2: Lvl 180 ninja, with some gears from mq, one hit kill spider if he prefers to. Grind dark warrior for revita L, easy. Farm for s bangle and sell to Path #1. Yes, it cannot do high ent. But can path #1 do it? Which one will beginners prefer?
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Roxzen
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Goodbye :) Thanks for the memories Iruna, the Forums was an awesome place!
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Post by Roxzen on May 5, 2015 22:58:09 GMT
Sure lets go with that Me:Hmm I'll go rush mq Im a nub in this game I don't have any spina Yay! lvl 180 Ninja in 2 days let me take on this high ent with my Adventurer garb, Hachigane and shortsword! Ahh dangit I cant kill these guys why can't I kill them? Now Joining a guild: Me: Hi ^^ Guildies: Hello Me: Who can help me with the mq? Guildies: Gtfo -gets kicked- Im sorry but thats just how it goes majority of the time. Seriously, the reason I don't like it when new players rush mq is the fact that they get placed into a class with skills they're not ready for yet. At lvl 180 most people would expect you know the general playstyle of your class and have the gear to support you. Take ninja for example, if you don't have the gear to clone you're basically screwed. When talking about new players they don't know a thing! They don't know much about kiting, Ninja's cloning, general lvling areas, playstyles, gear etc. etc. If you place them with a character that is way out of their current skill level not to mention crappy ass equips they are bound to not know what to do and complain (probably quit too) You completely get me wrong from the beginning. I am comparing two growth paths for beginners. You are comparing a beginner with an experienced player with the same level. Day 0, a new char created with lvl 1. After 2 days Path #1: Lvl 15, with some slightly better gears than lvl 1, probably killing spider outside rokoko Path #2: Lvl 180 ninja, with some gears from mq, one hit kill spider if he prefers to. Grind dark warrior for revita L, easy. Farm for s bangle and sell to Path #1. Yes, it cannot do high ent. But can path #1 do it? Which one will beginners prefer? But does path#2 even know about rev L, think about it, only day#2 Of course #1 cant kill high ent hello still taking their time to learn, all #2 knows is mq leech so far
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Post by Famine on May 5, 2015 23:02:14 GMT
From level 1, do quests and farm until you afford s bangle (to survive) and a ns weapon (for some solo mq), t hen mq, mq, only mq. Ask guilies, pass-by, people in town to help mq. Leveling up from 20 to 80 should take you 1 or 2 days. Don't waste time begging for equip. Don't waste time doing other quests before level 120. If no one can help at the time, quit the game and do something else.Why skip most of the fun parts? I have bolded my issues with what you are saying. Your advice is to beg everyone that comes near you until someone helps? This is extremely flawed, main quest is a nice treat every now and again, and should not be your main leveling method. Now I have come to accept that its a part of the game, however it is not ok to beg and beg and beg until someone does it for you. Quit the game if no ones there to help? No, you grind your face off until you can go back and do it. The thrill is setting goals and meeting those goals. I remember my first Agi/Crit char, I was so eager to go out and have fun, that I just ignored main quest until I was lvl 120+. I started this char with barely anything, set goals, met those goals, and never relied on anyone else to do it for me. I was not an experienced player back then(*Cough* Agi/crit knight *Cough*), but I had a thorough enjoyment of the game, and by the time I hit 120, well guess what, I had all the equips that I wanted, because I took my time and farmed my face off.
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Post by _ on May 5, 2015 23:12:59 GMT
I'm amazed this hasn't been torn down with how wrong the information is
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on May 6, 2015 1:36:37 GMT
If you are not new to the game, please disregard. If you just install the game and you are level 1, please read. There are only two builds you should consider: AGI or INT first. There are reasons why Ninja and HW are the two most popular classes. Find a good guild - a guild with more than 10 chars higher than lvl 200. Do your mq till at least level 120. 1. With max AGI build, even equipped with a claw or koda ns, you can solo skeleton, flame rocker, dark warrior, ... and kill some mq bosses, relatively safe to run for mq tasks. After max AGI, you should know the game much better to decide what class and what stat to max next 2. With max INT build, you can heal. You may find helpers for your mq boss, but helpers often ask if you can heal to revive them when they die. No one want to walk across maps after death to help again. Can solo mini bosses and even hard bosses after you learn drain. 3. If you are lucky to get a special sword like katz from your friend, VIT build is also fine. Use hard hit to solo mini boss. Very very safe to walk across maps for mq. From level 1, do quests and farm until you afford s bangle (to survive) and a ns weapon (for some solo mq), then mq, mq, only mq. Ask guilies, pass-by, people in town to help mq. Leveling up from 20 to 80 should take you 1 or 2 days. Don't waste time begging for equip. Don't waste time doing other quests before level 120. If no one can help at the time, quit the game and do something else. This is how I understood your post: Your suggestion after installing a game is to start begging until you get to Lv120. Then when you get to 120, you want him to grind mobs that are commonly grinded by Lv50s. That and beg for more mq occassionally. I agree with you that with Max INT build, and no gears, you can solo grind very hard bosses... like Ferzen or maybe even Blaiard. With a special sword, you plan to go VIT and solo without mp potions because you don't have resources. You'd probably be sitting to recover more than 50% of your play time. After all has been said, you finalize by saying don't spend time playing the game and go do something instead (like maybe watch TV). I would agree because if you follow this guide, this game is not for you.
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Post by Tilt*Madara on May 6, 2015 2:07:34 GMT
Well like I said already, The intention to help new players is appreciated. Just that there are a LOT of vital things left out here that could end up screwing those you intend to help.
Going off of the advice (I reserve the right to be wrong here) You are a player that did something similar to this. I would also doubt that you are even at lv.210 and that you did mq for most if not all of your levels.
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Namitsuki
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Loving the Island Stalls. Good bye Rokoko.
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Post by Namitsuki on May 6, 2015 4:28:33 GMT
While we appreciate the thought of helping new players, like everyone already said most (if not all) of this information is wrong or misguided and contributes to everything there is of worst in the game community (Take a look at o.o/ things that annoy you that people do and you will see that most complains are about people that rush, beg, and generally don't know how to play the game or their class). I will show you what i understood from your posts and why i don't think its a good idea, giving some real examples of people i meet that followed a similar path to what you suggest. Please take it as constructive criticism, im in no way trying to attack you, just creating a dialogue. Feel free to disagree, but try to give good arguments for your opinion, so that the community can be convinced or po If you are not new to the game, please disregard. If you just install the game and you are level 1, please read. There are only two builds you should consider: AGI or INT first. There are reasons why Ninja and HW are the two most popular classes. Find a good guild - a guild with more than 10 chars higher than lvl 200. Do your mq till at least level 120. 1. With max AGI build, even equipped with a claw or koda ns, you can solo skeleton, flame rocker, dark warrior, ... and kill some mq bosses, relatively safe to run for mq tasks. After max AGI, you should know the game much better to decide what class and what stat to max next 2. With max INT build, you can heal. You may find helpers for your mq boss, but helpers often ask if you can heal to revive them when they die. No one want to walk across maps after death to help again. Can solo mini bosses and even hard bosses after you learn drain. 3. If you are lucky to get a special sword like katz from your friend, VIT build is also fine. Use hard hit to solo mini boss. Very very safe to walk across maps for mq. From level 1, do quests and farm until you afford s bangle (to survive) and a ns weapon (for some solo mq), then mq, mq, only mq. Ask guilies, pass-by, people in town to help mq. Leveling up from 20 to 80 should take you 1 or 2 days. Don't waste time begging for equip. Don't waste time doing other quests before level 120. If no one can help at the time, quit the game and do something else.While some people might like Ninja and High Wizard it does't mean those classes are suited for every new player to the game. While most new players go for ninja (probably because it sounds cool or they heard ninja could solo mq) the class is actually too complex for new players/rushers. Most ninjas i see around cant clone properly (some think Desperate Move is only a self heal). All in all i believe your first character should be a class you really like and will enjoy playing, not the easiest or most common, but then again that is the player's personal preference. A good guild can't be defined by how many players over lv 200 it has. It should be a nice environment to make friends and learn about the game and the class you chose. A low level begging for mq help all the time is most likely going to be ignored by the higher levels. At lv 120 and max AGI you really shouldn't be grinding at skeleton, flame rocker and dark warrior anymore. Other grind spots and exp quests will give much better results. BTW i did 3 crt until lv 80 and 45 crt with crt rate gear until lv 180 and i can honestly tell you: don't do it. It's a pain, you miss a lot and overall damage is low. Not all classes with max INT can heal. Assassins for instance need max int for throwing weapon, but wont be able to heal without veltria. Clerics wont be able to drain and they are probably the only class that would benefit from max INT before adding any other stat. You say to get a special sword from a friend for VIT build, but following this guide is likely to make you friendless. You won't be partying with people of your level and will be begging help most of the time, and that is a friendship killer. Many people in the position to help won't be keen to be your friend, I'm sure many of us were more helpful and friendly once but were hardened by friends becoming bored and leaving the game after we helped then (or worse, the ones that constantly delete character and expect us to help it though mq again and again). Armors are an important part of the game too, and keeping your adventure garb will take it's toll on your damage, survivability, healing... You will have a harder time than if you stop to earn spina and bought a suitable armor, or did some quests to get it. You should do other quests besides mq. For instance, skipping the Impromptu arrows quest at lv 30 means you lost the easiest opportunity to gain 15-20 levels very fast with no mq (doing it after lv 50 is a bit pointless coz the reward exp won't help you level as fast). And this game relies heavily on grinding for along periods, be it for farming or leveling, and you wont be able to get help or party all the time. If you can't at least try to do it alone maybe this game isnt suited for you. (Not saying you need to play it for long periods of time, but you will do the same thing over and over for some time) I will continue later because this is already very long and i have to sleep. (1:30 a.m here)
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