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Post by _ on May 4, 2015 15:58:45 GMT
Actually bish is getting pretty rare nowadays e.e just go to baum warriors or mega or anywhr that requires bish xP most of time theres arnd 5 pts begging for 1 xD or maybe all bish r out there soloing:P like me I guess xP theres bishops but they all want the 240+ bishop with quick and limit break, so yeah lol bishops are there a plenty killing mignon etc That probably reflects the over abundance of non-healers rather than the lack of healers. Even if there are 25 bishops (of any level) running around, if there are 40 parties (or 80 half parties waiting for a bish before they get a 4th member) that need healers, then you'll see a lot of spam for bish. that might be true jean, but recently I've tried it, just like I've done with mega when it first came out and i was just turning 120, they want healers sure, but they want specific healers of a certain caliber. I'm not built for party play but i do sometimes pt if the desire to arises, when they see i don't heal as much as other bishops my lv they boot me off quicker than you can imagine, all i see is "oh sorry i thought you were 240/ oh sorry i thought you healed 11k+/ oh sorry i thought you did 50k+ dmg with nemesis. if they need a healer they wouldn't care so much about how much the bishop heals, they get healed either way, sure a higher lvl one is nice, but theres nothing wrong with a lower lvl one that will as often as a higher lvl bishop.
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Post by ManaKhe on May 5, 2015 1:49:28 GMT
I agree with _ on the high level Bishop front. People want high level Bishops so much to the point they won't take low level ones. They also want the Bishop to be able to do a lot of damage, and if it's a boss they need to heal a certain amount at least or have Resurrect spam. People also take them for their buffs as well(Delay+Limit Break+Risparmio+Priere mainly) and they don't get the really good ones until 200+(240 for Delay which some parties want). It's strange how parties still want Bishops that do a lot of damage. The way I see it, if people were as geared as the Bishop was doing a lot of damage then the Bishop will likely not be contributing much damage compared to everyone else. So anyone asking for a Bishop that does a lot of damage is almost asking to be carried by them in my opinion. Also another reason Bishops end up soloing and parties losing out on Bishops, why join a crappy party when you could solo and get much better EXP? If you get a good party you will just end up buffing and healing while using Nemesis a little bit, if that's not what's happening and you are well geared you are likely better off solo. Note: This is referring purely to AOE parties as Bishops fit much better in those than a single target party. Also on topic in regards to Bishop: A lot of people make Bishops purely for farming purposes and not as a main. They are however probably more common than healers in other games though because of how good they are. People are allergic to playing healers for some reason.
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Post by ManaKhe on May 5, 2015 1:58:24 GMT
Actually bish is getting pretty rare nowadays e.e just go to baum warriors or mega or anywhr that requires bish xP most of time theres arnd 5 pts begging for 1 xD or maybe all bish r out there soloing:P like me I guess xP The soloing thing is a big factor. However think about it this way when it comes to parties: If every party needs at least 1 Bishop, and you are always in a party of 4, then 1/4 of the game would have to play as Bishop and want to party. That's just not gonna happen. So demand for Bishops is always gonna stay high. (Obviously not every party needs a Bishop though). High Wizards are also high in demand, they are however more popular and not as wanted as Bishops are so it's not as hard to find them.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on May 5, 2015 2:36:15 GMT
That probably reflects the over abundance of non-healers rather than the lack of healers. Even if there are 25 bishops (of any level) running around, if there are 40 parties (or 80 half parties waiting for a bish before they get a 4th member) that need healers, then you'll see a lot of spam for bish. that might be true jean, but recently I've tried it, just like I've done with mega when it first came out and i was just turning 120, they want healers sure, but they want specific healers of a certain caliber. I'm not built for party play but i do sometimes pt if the desire to arises, when they see i don't heal as much as other bishops my lv they boot me off quicker than you can imagine, all i see is "oh sorry i thought you were 240/ oh sorry i thought you healed 11k+/ oh sorry i thought you did 50k+ dmg with nemesis. if they need a healer they wouldn't care so much about how much the bishop heals, they get healed either way, sure a higher lvl one is nice, but theres nothing wrong with a lower lvl one that will as often as a higher lvl bishop. Well some people want to optimize their party and it DOES end up with better/faster grind. I'm not so picky with healers tho'. They just need to understand that if they have low heal, we have to work harder (and he has to heal more often). And low heal is still better than having a high healer who doesn't heal at all, IMO. I've had parties who scream at our healers for under performing: "bish bless" "bish heal the pally" I really think these two tasks should be automatic to any bishop, but oh well. I rarely ask for heals because I can use pots anyway. The only time I ask for heal is if I feel that the bishop is leeching because I don't even get blessed but that is just my way of saying: "hey, don't leech dude"
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Post by _ on May 5, 2015 2:53:40 GMT
that might be true jean, but recently I've tried it, just like I've done with mega when it first came out and i was just turning 120, they want healers sure, but they want specific healers of a certain caliber. I'm not built for party play but i do sometimes pt if the desire to arises, when they see i don't heal as much as other bishops my lv they boot me off quicker than you can imagine, all i see is "oh sorry i thought you were 240/ oh sorry i thought you healed 11k+/ oh sorry i thought you did 50k+ dmg with nemesis. if they need a healer they wouldn't care so much about how much the bishop heals, they get healed either way, sure a higher lvl one is nice, but theres nothing wrong with a lower lvl one that will as often as a higher lvl bishop. Well some people want to optimize their party and it DOES end up with better/faster grind. I'm not so picky with healers tho'. They just need to understand that if they have low heal, we have to work harder (and he has to heal more often). And low heal is still better than having a high healer who doesn't heal at all, IMO. I've had parties who scream at our healers for under performing: "bish bless" "bish heal the pally" I really think these two tasks should be automatic to any bishop, but oh well. I rarely ask for heals because I can use pots anyway. The only time I ask for heal is if I feel that the bishop is leeching because I don't even get blessed but that is just my way of saying: "hey, don't leech dude" oh no definitely i get that the bishop will have to work 2x as hard compared to the higher end, it was more for the jeans comment that there isn't many bishops in areas thats highly farmed, off a better bishops (geared and lvl wise) is optimal i won't take that away, like i wrote above, but if for instance I'm healing 9-10k on a paladin i believe thats decent for baum warrior or mega who doesn't even do much dmg to begin with, from the hits I've taken from the mobs, i feel guardian would deal more selfdmg (personally with 15k hp i don't take as much dmg as i would imagine a bishop to take and thats without defensive gear) than the actual mob to the paladin, and I'm 99.9% sure a 9-10k heal enough to contest with guardian self dmg currently unless I'm outdated (haven't pted with paladins since anniversary event opened so there might be new gears) it makes sense for the pt to be as good as possible, but from what I've noticed you can be a dmg bishop focusing more on nemesis dmg, or a healing one that forges dmg instead to do insane amounts of healing if people want a bishop that can heal an insane amount they will have to deal with the reduced dmg output from the bishop no? unless its some weird hybrid build. you have a point though it isn't always just the pt that doesn't want the bishop, sometimes the bishop doesn't do a gosh dart hing and thats generally with newer bishops (again from what I've seen)
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on May 5, 2015 3:02:10 GMT
Well some people want to optimize their party and it DOES end up with better/faster grind. I'm not so picky with healers tho'. They just need to understand that if they have low heal, we have to work harder (and he has to heal more often). And low heal is still better than having a high healer who doesn't heal at all, IMO. I've had parties who scream at our healers for under performing: "bish bless" "bish heal the pally" I really think these two tasks should be automatic to any bishop, but oh well. I rarely ask for heals because I can use pots anyway. The only time I ask for heal is if I feel that the bishop is leeching because I don't even get blessed but that is just my way of saying: "hey, don't leech dude" oh no definitely i get that the bishop will have to work 2x as hard compared to the higher end, it was more for the jeans comment that there isn't many bishops in areas thats highly farmed, off a better bishops (geared and lvl wise) is optimal i won't take that away, like i wrote above, but if for instance I'm healing 9-10k on a paladin i believe thats decent for baum warrior or mega who doesn't even do much dmg to begin with, from the hits I've taken from the mobs, i feel guardian would deal more selfdmg (personally with 15k hp i don't take as much dmg as i would imagine a bishop to take and thats without defensive gear) than the actual mob to the paladin, and I'm 99.9% sure a 9-10k heal enough to contest with guardian self dmg currently unless I'm outdated (haven't pted with paladins since anniversary event opened so there might be new gears) it makes sense for the pt to be as good as possible, but from what I've noticed you can be a dmg bishop focusing more on nemesis dmg, or a healing one that forges dmg instead to do insane amounts of healing if people want a bishop that can heal an insane amount they will have to deal with the reduced dmg output from the bishop no? unless its some weird hybrid build. you have a point though it isn't always just the pt that doesn't want the bishop, sometimes the bishop doesn't do a gosh dart hing and thats generally with newer bishops (again from what I've seen) Well for Baums and Megas I think the priority is Nemesis and healing becomes secondary because they really don't hurt Pallys much. Nemesis is just too OP against mobs that it becomes a priority over guardian, so you don't need to keep a Pally's HP capped. Heals and support become top priority versus bosses because Nemesis gets nerfed so it gets healthier for the party to keep the Pally's HP up, IMO.
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Post by Crysta| on May 14, 2015 5:19:56 GMT
Actually bish is getting pretty rare nowadays e.e just go to baum warriors or mega or anywhr that requires bish xP most of time theres arnd 5 pts begging for 1 xD or maybe all bish r out there soloing:P like me I guess xP theres bishops but they all want the 240+ bishop with quick and limit break, so yeah lol bishops are there a plenty killing mignon etc That probably reflects the over abundance of non-healers rather than the lack of healers. Even if there are 25 bishops (of any level) running around, if there are 40 parties (or 80 half parties waiting for a bish before they get a 4th member) that need healers, then you'll see a lot of spam for bish. This says to me "we need a healer class other than Bishop" if such a thing existed I'd love playing this class. The Bishop dilemma discussed in this thread is exactly what discourages me from playing one.
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Post by marvin21 on May 27, 2015 6:31:16 GMT
That probably reflects the over abundance of non-healers rather than the lack of healers. Even if there are 25 bishops (of any level) running around, if there are 40 parties (or 80 half parties waiting for a bish before they get a 4th member) that need healers, then you'll see a lot of spam for bish. This says to me "we need a healer class other than Bishop" if such a thing existed I'd love playing this class. The Bishop dilemma discussed in this thread is exactly what discourages me from playing one. How about us servant ^^
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Post by Crysta| on May 27, 2015 10:04:31 GMT
This says to me "we need a healer class other than Bishop" if such a thing existed I'd love playing this class. The Bishop dilemma discussed in this thread is exactly what discourages me from playing one. How about us servant ^^ That post was from before the class was implemented xD
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Post by marvin21 on May 27, 2015 23:03:28 GMT
Hehe xD anyway we servant just full support version of bishop and some pt starting lf us xD
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Post by bikini on Jul 19, 2015 20:24:03 GMT
ninjas-hw-bish-others classes-bk/servant. But now i see more ench/monks than 6 month ago and they are mord powerfull than people thinkm.
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