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Post by xabyssal on Mar 23, 2015 16:03:15 GMT
I am gonna be taking abreak from my App hunter and making a wizard. He is lv 27. Can anyone tell me a good build to advance to High Wizard or possibly go cleric route. Please i need help with stats for cleric and wizard. also what gear to wear for each people and thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2015 16:07:32 GMT
INT/DEX is the ideal build to take if you intend to go the wizard/high wizard route. Its pretty easy spamming mana wave then hitting and running around since you are lv 27 atm. When you become a wizard things become easier, fire lance ice spear and drain are easier to do solo-wise compared to bishops that only have heal and manawave till lv 90. After you cap INT and DEX the third stat is of your own preference, if you prefer to solo more or want to have more survival start adding vit, if you want more damage go for CRT, spellburst will come in handy when you become a High wizard
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Mar 23, 2015 16:42:04 GMT
Wear an evantail(throw weapon) for cast speed until you get holy light as a cleric or until you hit 140 and become a full high wizard.
If you plan for cleric, add 2int and 1vit till vit hits 30 or 50 then add 3int until int is maxed. It might be easier to play as an apr.wiz for leveling until you hit 100. At 100 change to cleric and get holy light. After int is maxed and dex is at atleast 240 you can add
VIT- for more durability/solo AGI- for more matk base and evasion
If you plan for wizard add pure int till max and pure dex after till that is maxed too. This is for easiest leveling. After you max both you can choose
VIT- for more durability/solo CRT- for spell burst possibility AGI- for more matk base and evasion
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Post by Tilt Is Queer on Apr 17, 2015 14:23:02 GMT
Wear an evantail(throw weapon) for cast speed until you get holy light as a cleric or until you hit 140 and become a full high wizard. If you plan for cleric, add 2int and 1vit till vit hits 30 or 50 then add 3int until int is maxed. It might be easier to play as an apr.wiz for leveling until you hit 100. At 100 change to cleric and get holy light. After int is maxed and dex is at atleast 240 you can add VIT- for more durability/solo AGI- for more matk base and evasion If you plan for wizard add pure int till max and pure dex after till that is maxed too. This is for easiest leveling. After you max both you can choose VIT- for more durability/solo CRT- for spell burst possibility AGI- for more matk base and evasion Probably a little late to post my opinion, but I'll do it anyway. There's no need for Vit for Cleric until 167/168 when Int and Dex are maxed. Doing 2 Int 1 Vit will cripple your heal vs other Clerics who are full Int unless you have the heal xtals to make up for it. Int and Dex are more of a main priority than Vit is when starting out. If you have low hp, focus on getting an equip such as Bunny ears/Anniversery Brooch or Iron armour up. They give solid hp and will work perfectly fine instead of Vit.
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Apr 17, 2015 16:45:36 GMT
Wear an evantail(throw weapon) for cast speed until you get holy light as a cleric or until you hit 140 and become a full high wizard. If you plan for cleric, add 2int and 1vit till vit hits 30 or 50 then add 3int until int is maxed. It might be easier to play as an apr.wiz for leveling until you hit 100. At 100 change to cleric and get holy light. After int is maxed and dex is at atleast 240 you can add VIT- for more durability/solo AGI- for more matk base and evasion If you plan for wizard add pure int till max and pure dex after till that is maxed too. This is for easiest leveling. After you max both you can choose VIT- for more durability/solo CRT- for spell burst possibility AGI- for more matk base and evasion Probably a little late to post my opinion, but I'll do it anyway. There's no need for Vit for Cleric until 167/168 when Int and Dex are maxed. Doing 2 Int 1 Vit will cripple your heal vs other Clerics who are full Int unless you have the heal xtals to make up for it. Int and Dex are more of a main priority than Vit is when starting out. If you have low hp, focus on getting an equip such as Bunny ears/Anniversery Brooch or Iron armour up. They give solid hp and will work perfectly fine instead of Vit. You also have to see that outside of mana wave Dex is useless until lv.180. Your damage is not high enough for effective 1 shotting mobs like a high wiz so atleast some degree of survival is needed unless you plan on leeching till 180. If you do go full INT, Which is fine, its pretty much impossible solo and if you are the support that dies every time the enemy looks your direction then your not much support either. Being full INT with high HP gear would make you deal and heal lower damage compared to going 2int 1vit till vit is at 31-50 since you have the freedom to add matk and heal gear as needed. Your not wrong at all, just that pure int is more of a leeching/party dependant/fragile little cleric build Again, Wizards can do pure int pure dex easy because of high damage. Clerics dont have that luxury and will be only slightly stronger(literally maybe 500 damage away) from lv.120-168. Holy light doesnt multiply damage high either. Trading 500ish damage for 1k+ HP is all pref tho
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Post by Tilt Is Queer on Apr 17, 2015 18:32:42 GMT
Probably a little late to post my opinion, but I'll do it anyway. There's no need for Vit for Cleric until 167/168 when Int and Dex are maxed. Doing 2 Int 1 Vit will cripple your heal vs other Clerics who are full Int unless you have the heal xtals to make up for it. Int and Dex are more of a main priority than Vit is when starting out. If you have low hp, focus on getting an equip such as Bunny ears/Anniversery Brooch or Iron armour up. They give solid hp and will work perfectly fine instead of Vit. You also have to see that outside of mana wave Dex is useless until lv.180. Your damage is not high enough for effective 1 shotting mobs like a high wiz so atleast some degree of survival is needed unless you plan on leeching till 180. If you do go full INT, Which is fine, its pretty much impossible solo and if you are the support that dies every time the enemy looks your direction then your not much support either. Being full INT with high HP gear would make you deal and heal lower damage compared to going 2int 1vit till vit is at 31-50 since you have the freedom to add matk and heal gear as needed. Your not wrong at all, just that pure int is more of a leeching/party dependant/fragile little cleric build Again, Wizards can do pure int pure dex easy because of high damage. Clerics dont have that luxury and will be only slightly stronger(literally maybe 500 damage away) from lv.120-168. Holy light doesnt multiply damage high either. Trading 500ish damage for 1k+ HP is all pref tho Cleric isn't a damaging job at all. It's quite the opposite. Unless you're going monk, you follow the same build as a Wizard. Int/Dex Max first, Vit from 167/168. Clerics do not, and I should really make those two key words, DO NOT have a role of dealing any sort of damage until 180 unless they are a solo player; and adding any Vit prior to maxing Int and Dex is optional and a matter of preference. But always use hp gear over using Vit, key reason being you are not needed to damage until 180 when you gain Nemesis. Clerics/Bishops are supposed to support. Not damage. Coming from experience, I have struggled A LOT less when playing as a Cleric using hp gear over Vit. It's natural. You'd probably say "Use hp gear" if a Wizard needed more hp to survive a hit from a boss, or have enough hp to stay alive while grinding a mob. To some degree, I do agree with you. But you're really not the type of person, from EVERYTHING I've seen and everything I've been told, to place your opinion and stand by it even when you're wrong. It's a matter of playing to your role. If you want damage, you play something other than Cleric or Bishop; if you want support, you play Bishop. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just placing your point in the corner where it belongs. The "I talk trash and confuse other players" corner. CLERICS SUPPORT not damage. They have an increased heal for a reason, they also have supportive buffs for a reason. You don't see a Wizard standing back doing nothing but buffing Reflect 1 or MP Recharge when in a pt unless they "leech" in a Mega/Balor/Ent pt. Wizards are for damage, Clerics are for support. Again, I'm not tryin to be rude and I'm sorry if I seem it, but you are wrong all over the board.
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Apr 17, 2015 19:43:03 GMT
You also have to see that outside of mana wave Dex is useless until lv.180. Your damage is not high enough for effective 1 shotting mobs like a high wiz so atleast some degree of survival is needed unless you plan on leeching till 180. If you do go full INT, Which is fine, its pretty much impossible solo and if you are the support that dies every time the enemy looks your direction then your not much support either. Being full INT with high HP gear would make you deal and heal lower damage compared to going 2int 1vit till vit is at 31-50 since you have the freedom to add matk and heal gear as needed. Your not wrong at all, just that pure int is more of a leeching/party dependant/fragile little cleric build Again, Wizards can do pure int pure dex easy because of high damage. Clerics dont have that luxury and will be only slightly stronger(literally maybe 500 damage away) from lv.120-168. Holy light doesnt multiply damage high either. Trading 500ish damage for 1k+ HP is all pref tho Cleric isn't a damaging job at all. It's quite the opposite. Unless you're going monk, you follow the same build as a Wizard. Int/Dex Max first, Vit from 167/168. Clerics do not, and I should really make those two key words, DO NOT have a role of dealing any sort of damage until 180 unless they are a solo player; and adding any Vit prior to maxing Int and Dex is optional and a matter of preference. But always use hp gear over using Vit, key reason being you are not needed to damage until 180 when you gain Nemesis. Clerics/Bishops are supposed to support. Not damage. Coming from experience, I have struggled A LOT less when playing as a Cleric using hp gear over Vit. It's natural. You'd probably say "Use hp gear" if a Wizard needed more hp to survive a hit from a boss, or have enough hp to stay alive while grinding a mob. To some degree, I do agree with you. But you're really not the type of person, from EVERYTHING I've seen and everything I've been told, to place your opinion and stand by it even when you're wrong. It's a matter of playing to your role. If you want damage, you play something other than Cleric or Bishop; if you want support, you play Bishop. I'm not trying to be rude, I'm just placing your point in the corner where it belongs. The "I talk trash and confuse other players" corner. CLERICS SUPPORT not damage. They have an increased heal for a reason, they also have supportive buffs for a reason. You don't see a Wizard standing back doing nothing but buffing Reflect 1 or MP Recharge when in a pt unless they "leech" in a Mega/Balor/Ent pt. Wizards are for damage, Clerics are for support. Again, I'm not tryin to be rude and I'm sorry if I seem it, but you are wrong all over the board. Oh gosh not another one lol. So this crazy paragraph is to tell me, an experienced bishop and high wiz since beta, that a bishop is a support class and not a damager....even though I said it myself. If you have a bone to pick with me then do it over PMs because you sound like a hater looking for any reason to say Im wrong...dude the advice I gave is set up to reach the SAME goal as yours once you get to 180. Diff between mine is that Its the path of least resistance. Those extra points you have left once you hit 180 are going into VIT anyway right? Why not slowly add them in earlier so that you can get the survival incase you cant leech or be boosted through mq or have to fend for yourself for a while? Lol I feed into trolls easy but I could go on indeph about why it's more efficient to not go pure int/dex as a cleric And for the record I was actually a max INT/VIT bishop before 180. Best decision ever because I could support more. Tanking/healing without sacrificing my magic capabilities to wear HP gear... only reason I recc what I did above is for those that cant restat at 180.
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Post by Tilt Is Queer on Apr 17, 2015 20:00:26 GMT
I have nothing against you at all, and for you to think that may give people a reason to do so. Gives off a "it's all about me" impression. I'll be honest, I do respect you and in a way, admire you. However, your posts about Clerics are completely wrong and can possibly lead to confusion. So, y'know. As I said, I've got nothing against you, myself. I don't see how you managed to pull JUST that out of what I said. A little too much you and not enough of what the actual paragraph was about. I'll draw the line here. I have my opinion and you have yours. I say no Vit for Cleric until they have Int and Dex maxed. You say add 13 lvls worth of Vit before Int is maxed. Fair enough. But as I've always felt, I disagree with that and I feel hp gear will be more useful to newer Clerics than Vit will when they are a low level.
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Post by Tilt*Madara on Apr 17, 2015 20:14:24 GMT
I have nothing against you at all, and for you to think that may give people a reason to do so. Gives off a "it's all about me" impression. I'll be honest, I do respect you and in a way, admire you. However, your posts about Clerics are completely wrong and can possibly lead to confusion. So, y'know. As I said, I've got nothing against you, myself. I don't see how you managed to pull JUST that out of what I said. A little too much you and not enough of what the actual paragraph was about. I'll draw the line here. I have my opinion and you have yours. I say no Vit for Cleric until they have Int and Dex maxed. You say add 13 lvls worth of Vit before Int is maxed. Fair enough. But as I've always felt, I disagree with that and I feel hp gear will be more useful to newer Clerics than Vit will when they are a low level. 1) I already said that its all preff 2) So how am I completly wrong about my own OP and for the advice I gove for clerics? 3) This entire little convo was pointless. You just wanted to say Im wrong about something. Anyways before just yelling out that im wrong and whatever can you explain your stance? because without doing so its easy to assume that your just out to say that Tilt is wrong. Im not god either lol if Im wrong Im wrong I would just like to know how.
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Post by Tilt Is Queer on Apr 17, 2015 20:26:42 GMT
I have nothing against you at all, and for you to think that may give people a reason to do so. Gives off a "it's all about me" impression. I'll be honest, I do respect you and in a way, admire you. However, your posts about Clerics are completely wrong and can possibly lead to confusion. So, y'know. As I said, I've got nothing against you, myself. I don't see how you managed to pull JUST that out of what I said. A little too much you and not enough of what the actual paragraph was about. I'll draw the line here. I have my opinion and you have yours. I say no Vit for Cleric until they have Int and Dex maxed. You say add 13 lvls worth of Vit before Int is maxed. Fair enough. But as I've always felt, I disagree with that and I feel hp gear will be more useful to newer Clerics than Vit will when they are a low level. 1) I already said that its all preff 2) So how am I completly wrong about my own OP and for the advice I gove for clerics? 3) This entire little convo was pointless. You just wanted to say Im wrong about something. Anyways before just yelling out that im wrong and whatever can you explain your stance? because without doing so its easy to assume that your just out to say that Tilt is wrong. Im not god either lol if Im wrong Im wrong I would just like to know how. Man you remind me of pein and deuce lol I have no idea who those two are, so.. W/e. Also, I had no goal to seek and say you were wrong about something at all. As I said previously, the line has been drawn. I see absolutely no point in adding Vit until Int and Dex are maxed for Clerics because hp gear WILL be better. Saying its sacrificing magic damage isn't a counter because there is no need for Matk equips, in all honesty, until 180. If you really think all people seek to do when they argue with you is to just say you're wrong about something, you really need a better look into what people are trying to say because at no point did I intentionally say I was a "hater" of yours. I just simply said there is no point in adding Vit until 167 because the key stats are what need to be maxed before a 3rd stat can be started. You wouldn't start adding Crit before it was needed if you were aiming for Spellburst Hwiz, would you? Line drawn, convo closed.
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Post by Crysta| on Apr 19, 2015 23:48:10 GMT
1) I already said that its all preff 2) So how am I completly wrong about my own OP and for the advice I gove for clerics? 3) This entire little convo was pointless. You just wanted to say Im wrong about something. Anyways before just yelling out that im wrong and whatever can you explain your stance? because without doing so its easy to assume that your just out to say that Tilt is wrong. Im not god either lol if Im wrong Im wrong I would just like to know how. Man you remind me of pein and deuce lol I have no idea who those two are, so.. W/e. Also, I had no goal to seek and say you were wrong about something at all. As I said previously, the line has been drawn. I see absolutely no point in adding Vit until Int and Dex are maxed for Clerics because hp gear WILL be better. Saying its sacrificing magic damage isn't a counter because there is no need for Matk equips, in all honesty, until 180. If you really think all people seek to do when they argue with you is to just say you're wrong about something, you really need a better look into what people are trying to say because at no point did I intentionally say I was a "hater" of yours. I just simply said there is no point in adding Vit until 167 because the key stats are what need to be maxed before a 3rd stat can be started. You wouldn't start adding Crit before it was needed if you were aiming for Spellburst Hwiz, would you? Line drawn, convo closed. Heals are based on Matk, most experienced bishops will tell you it is more efficient to mix matk/heal recovery xtals than use a pure set of one. If you're playing pure support cleric/bishop adding dex before 180 is "adding a stat before its needed".
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Post by Namitsuki on Apr 20, 2015 1:53:55 GMT
1) I already said that its all preff 2) So how am I completly wrong about my own OP and for the advice I gove for clerics? 3) This entire little convo was pointless. You just wanted to say Im wrong about something. Anyways before just yelling out that im wrong and whatever can you explain your stance? because without doing so its easy to assume that your just out to say that Tilt is wrong. Im not god either lol if Im wrong Im wrong I would just like to know how. Man you remind me of pein and deuce lol I have no idea who those two are, so.. W/e. Also, I had no goal to seek and say you were wrong about something at all. As I said previously, the line has been drawn. I see absolutely no point in adding Vit until Int and Dex are maxed for Clerics because hp gear WILL be better. Saying its sacrificing magic damage isn't a counter because there is no need for Matk equips, in all honesty, until 180. If you really think all people seek to do when they argue with you is to just say you're wrong about something, you really need a better look into what people are trying to say because at no point did I intentionally say I was a "hater" of yours. I just simply said there is no point in adding Vit until 167 because the key stats are what need to be maxed before a 3rd stat can be started. You wouldn't start adding Crit before it was needed if you were aiming for Spellburst Hwiz, would you? Line drawn, convo closed. Adding 50 vit before starting dex gives you survival and your heal stays virtually the same. Let's take as an example 2 people with enough stat points to max only 2 stats, one of them with INT-DEX max and the other with max INT, 50 VIT and rest DEX, both using heal lv2. Supposing no heal gear or xtal and no MATK%, just for the sake of exercise, that means the difference in MATK will be only of 25. If the INT-DEX cleric/bishop has 2225 MATK he can heal 5250-5460 hp (those are the actual numbers for lowest and highest heal with that amount of MATK and no heal gear) The INT-DEX-VIT cleric/bishop of our case has 2200 MATK and will be able to heal 5200-5408 hp (again actual numbers for lowest and highest heal with that amount of MATK) That means the heal difference between the 2 is only of 50-52 hp, and I don't know anyone that would kick a bishop or cleric for healing 50 hp less than than another.
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Post by pingrek on Oct 29, 2015 12:53:07 GMT
I'm a friend with this person in real life, he decided to make his character an enchanter, this has been answered.
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