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Post by super n00b on Feb 11, 2015 17:00:46 GMT
Hey n00bilites! o.o/
I wanna try playing pally for fun but I have no clue how to go about it. Therefore, I want to get your input.
(Yes, I have read other threads so don't say anything rude. I do take them into consideration as well...)
〆 What is the "best" all around stat build? Or is there no such thing?
〆 What is the most "basic gear set" that I will need to start off with?
〆 What type of sets are there? Ex: Tanking, HP, ect.,
〆 What abilities will I need? (In case I decide to keep this chara..)
〆 When is it best to start MQ for a pally? o.o (I don't usually start until about lv 80+)
〆 What are the xtals that I should use and where to put them?
〆 Anything else I forgot, go right ahead and mention it.
〆 I want to set a budget of about 20m to start off. (Is that enough to start off? This is almost all that I've saved up from farming for Levi..)
〆 Any input from actual Pally's would be greatly appreciated!
〆 Thanks for reading this and giving your thought/ opinion.
〆 Please do keep any rude comments you have to yourself.. This is me politely asking for help, not for a rude input.
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Post by Famine on Feb 11, 2015 17:19:16 GMT
Well, Im not a pro pally, but basic gear set Wound transfer, Licht Armor/Plate Mail, Barbaro tita, use Hp+20% in all. If you start main quest at lvl 80 you should have no issues soloing the entire thing with Sp. Revita Ale. Item delay stars can help. Later on beneficial equips are,
Weapons:
Izuminokami(damage)
Wound transfer(Physical Tanking)
Ama no Habikiri(Magical tanking)
Moonlight(If dex build for skill delay)
Armor:
Plate Mail(Ok cheap starting armor)
Exelis(fantastic skill delay for fast buff/rebuff and Magic resist)
Licht armor(Some skill delay and magic and physical defence)
Additional:
Barbaro Tita(Cheap -skill delay and attk)
Wolf Ear(Rate relief, -skill delay, +heal recieved)
Zweig Shield(Rate relief)
Ideasol(Hp and defense)
Hp+20% is good for general tanking set, suigetsu/vida/schlingel for attk set.
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Post by Jeancarlo on Feb 11, 2015 17:47:14 GMT
Hey n00bilites! o.o/I wanna try playing pally for fun but I have no clue how to go about it. Therefore, I want to get your input. (Yes, I have read other threads so don't say anything rude. I do take them into consideration as well...)
〆 What is the "best" all around stat build? Or is there no such thing?
〆 What is the most "basic gear set" that I will need to start off with?
〆 What type of sets are there? Ex: Tanking, HP, ect.,
〆 What abilities will I need? (In case I decide to keep this chara..)
〆 When is it best to start MQ for a pally? o.o (I don't usually start until about lv 80+)
〆 What are the xtals that I should use and where to put them?
〆 Anything else I forgot, go right ahead and mention it.
〆 I want to set a budget of about 20m to start off. (Is that enough to start off? This is almost all that I've saved up from farming for Levi..)
〆 Any input from actual Pally's would be greatly appreciated!
〆 Thanks for reading this and giving your thought/ opinion.
〆 Please do keep any rude comments you have to yourself.. This is me politely asking for help, not for a rude input. you are n00b!!!! (see, you're the only one I get to call that without being rude  ) Best Stat Build: VIT. Max VIT then Max VIT some more. You can also add DEX for casting speed, as well as more DMG with SPC Sword (works best with VIT. Did I mention VIT stat is impt?). STR for more dmg later on, or INT for MDEF. Make sure to see MiLiGRiTo's post on how MDEF (and PDEF too) works though. Basic Gear: Honestly, we got it made as you can start with Basic gear and just keep using it until you cap. Here's mine: W Xfer S 1-2M Licht Armor 4-7M S Ideasol NS 2-3M (20-25M S) NS versions of: Knight Gauntlet, Oricalchum Ring, Santa Glove until you can slot a 20%HP on dragonewt bangle Xtal: 20%HP unless you build an atk gear, in which case you can use Suigetsu (10M) or cheaper Schilingerl (2-3M) which is what I use on my atk set I Think that covers a few of your bullets? The hardest part will be leveling, especially if you don't have a constant PT to play with. You may want to consider starting off as a claw (agi/crt) build and stay App Glad until L160 when you can get Guardian (switch to PLD first and switch stats to PLD build above). Read up on How to Level Guardian without Nagas stickied here  |
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Post by super n00b on Feb 11, 2015 18:57:34 GMT
I have 1 Stefly's in storage so I might do agi/ crt until 140+ but not completely sure as of yet.
Thanks to both of your quick responses. ^^ Famine & Jeancarlo
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Post by Jeancarlo on Feb 11, 2015 19:12:07 GMT
1. Speaking as a fellow player with a NIN and then a PLD, don't expect to see NIN dmg AND survivability. Expect to be more reliant on Pots esp HP and MP pots (if you're skill spamming).
2. If you do go AGI/CRT and App Glad, make sure to check out the Glad section too. my Limited experience was that your EVA won't be high enough that you can forgo any VIT so you'll most likely want to spend points in 3 stats even at such early (pre L160 so not even enough to cap 2 stats) levels
one thing I didn't answer: when to do MQ. Totally up to you, really, but if you can swing it, I would recommend trying to get to L160 ASAP esp if you want to avoid using that Stefly (and just keep dumping Stat to VIT then DEX to better survive MQ while being dragged along). You're experienced enough that you can "transfer" most of your in game knowledge to play the PLD class even if boosted to those levels, IMO. Honestly, once you start spamming Guardian with the occasional Provoke, you'll be doing what PLDs do 98% of the time, IMO.
PM me if you want a boost to L70 before you do your MQ lol, that should give you a boost to solo the MQ until Kleya (FG) at least. 150 minutes with 4-5*
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Post by super n00b on Feb 11, 2015 19:26:17 GMT
1. Speaking as a fellow player with a NIN and then a PLD, don't expect to see NIN dmg AND survivability. Expect to be more reliant on Pots esp HP and MP pots (if you're skill spamming). 2. If you do go AGI/CRT and App Glad, make sure to check out the Glad section too. my Limited experience was that your EVA won't be high enough that you can forgo any VIT so you'll most likely want to spend points in 3 stats even at such early (pre L160 so not even enough to cap 2 stats) levels one thing I didn't answer: when to do MQ. Totally up to you, really, but if you can swing it, I would recommend trying to get to L160 ASAP esp if you want to avoid using that Stefly (and just keep dumping Stat to VIT then DEX to better survive MQ while being dragged along). You're experienced enough that you can "transfer" most of your in game knowledge to play the PLD class even if boosted to those levels, IMO. Honestly, once you start spamming Guardian with the occasional Provoke, you'll be doing what PLDs do 98% of the time, IMO. PM me if you want a boost to L70 before you do your MQ lol, that should give you a boost to solo the MQ until Kleya (FG) at least. 150 minutes with 4-5*
I can usually farm pots easily since I duo with wiz and bishop.. But they never really need the pots I collect so I usually put into storage.. @.@ I think I have 20+ stacks of salt in a storage alt. xD Never go to check on her lol.. They just sit there.. I prob have more that I sent by mail to her. OTL Such a waste.
Anyways, I think I'll probably do VIT>DEX>STR build. I just need to buy my gear then I should be all set to start my new adventure. Currently lvl 8 and using Migratale since that was what I had in storage but I'll be giving that to a noobie going sniper. Have not put down any stat points as of yet. o.o
And I'll let you know if I want that boost. Thanks for offering.
On another note, Famine mentioned zweig shield. What are the stats exactly and what does rate relief mean?
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Post by Famine on Feb 11, 2015 21:16:09 GMT
Lol. So true. I'm super used to and comfortable with agi/ crt builds so I thought it was time for a change. The only other classes I've tried has been High Wizard and Bishop (pretty cool imo.) It's gonna be a challenge but I'm willing to take it up. ^^ Get out of my comfort zone and try something new lol.
I can usually farm pots easily since I duo with wiz and bishop.. But they never really need the pots I collect so I usually put into storage.. @.@ I think I have 20+ stacks of salt in a storage alt. xD Never go to check on her lol.. They just sit there.. I prob have more that I sent by mail to her. OTL Such a waste.
Anyways, I think I'll probably do VIT>DEX>STR build. I just need to buy my gear then I should be all set to start my new adventure. Currently lvl 8 and using Migratale since that was what I had in storage but I'll be giving that to a noobie going sniper. Have not put down any stat points as of yet. o.o
And I'll let you know if I want that boost. Thanks for offering.
On another note, Famine mentioned zweig shield. What are the stats exactly and what does rate relief mean?
From my understanding Rate Relief reduces damage taken from Hp% attacks by enemies. Zweig shields stats are Rate Relief+20%, Vit+1, Evasion-15% and Heal Recieved increase=Vitx2. In all honesty don't bother restating to Agi/Crit anymore, you will end up making your life harder then it has to be. Since missions can easily take you to 160 now, if you start them when your at max vit, you can stomp every boss in the storyline with minimal equips and tons of potions. Special Revita Ale is amazing with a pally! |
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Post by super n00b on Feb 11, 2015 21:30:40 GMT
From my understanding Rate Relief reduces damage taken from Hp% attacks by enemies. Zweig shields stats are Rate Relief+20%, Vit+1, Evasion-15% and Heal Recieved increase=Vitx2. In all honesty don't bother restating to Agi/Crit anymore, you will end up making your life harder then it has to be. Since missions can easily take you to 160 now, if you start them when your at max vit, you can stomp every boss in the storyline with minimal equips and tons of potions. Special Revita Ale is amazing with a pally!  Luckily I can AOE on my own for the SP. Revita Ale quest. xD
I haven't put in any stat yet so eh.. Prob won't do or prob will.. But I'm certain I won't since I'm kinda lazy.
Question though: Should I also get Katzbalger?
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Post by super n00b on Feb 11, 2015 22:30:38 GMT
So far, what I have acquired for トシ consists of...
〆 Wound Transfer+8 S HP+20% (Took forever to +8 because it kept wanting to go back to +1)
〆 Litch Armor+6 S HP+20% (Gonna have to get some ori because +7 is impossible for this armor with mythril @.@)
〆 Knight Gauntlet NS
〆 and bunny ears s for extra hp for now.
Is wisdom earring S an okay SE to have? (Because I do have it. o.o)
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Post by Jeancarlo on Feb 11, 2015 22:42:05 GMT
So far, what I have acquired for トシ consists of...
〆 Wound Transfer+8 S HP+20% (Took forever to +8 because it kept wanting to go back to +1)
〆 Litch Armor+6 S HP+20% (Gonna have to get some ori because +7 is impossible for this armor with mythril @.@)
〆 Knight Gauntlet NS
〆 and bunny ears s for extra hp for now. Is wisdom earring S an okay SE to have? (Because I do have it. o.o) Until you get Dragonnewt, yes. Just slap a 20%Hp on anything, lol. Note that the knight gauntlet is good when you want to DD,but a 20%hp SE will be your tanking one unless you get a KGS  Another tip that I just thought of, lol, and may do for my own PLD W Xfer is so cheap, comparatively, that you can slap elem xtals on them rather than Schlingel or Suigetsu, actually. You get better dmg (10% vs 8.2-10%) and the xtals are pretty cheap The expensive part will be refining each lol Xfer + Sturm for Ents/Balors, Xfer + Vatendeth for Ents, Xfer + Eisen for Nommars. That would still be cheaper than 1 Suigetsu *cough* MiLiGRiTo ?*cough* Edit: Found Xtal for Fire mobs, and I guess the Xtals only add 10%; must have been thinking of Elem weapons that add 20% so idea not as good as I thought lol |
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 11, 2015 23:38:10 GMT
If you can get
Travel pouch
Saltus up
Quick use
Quick cool
Kgaunt and special sword
Then you can spam pots and hardhit skill and should not have any problems soloing mq, especially if you use sp rev ale. You can use revita L or XL with this gear up until onigiri provides better hp recov.
You might want to have some schlingels for atk since hard hit is atk based and only consider hp gear if you still have problems surviving (which I doubt since mq bosses are easy especially at lower levels). Get a pet just to be safe.
Leech to lvl70 so you can become knight and have better hardhit since your main problem will not be much on the survival part but on the damage part. Then do mq. When you get guardian, everything will be so much easier.
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Post by super n00b on Feb 12, 2015 0:30:08 GMT
If you can get Travel pouch Saltus up Quick use Quick cool Kgaunt and special sword Then you can spam pots and hardhit skill and should not have any problems soloing mq, especially if you use sp rev ale. You can use revita L or XL with this gear up until onigiri provides better hp recov. You might want to have some schlingels for atk since hard hit is atk based and only consider hp gear if you still have problems surviving (which I doubt since mq bosses are easy especially at lower levels). Get a pet just to be safe. Leech to lvl70 so you can become knight and have better hardhit since your main problem will not be much on the survival part but on the damage part. Then do mq. When you get guardian, everything will be so much easier.
Newbie question but where could I farm travel pouch? Also, do you think Pharmacy ability could be useful as a Pally?
Another thing, I know I asked Famine but I want your input as well, should I also get a Katzbalger or no? |
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Post by super n00b on Feb 12, 2015 0:32:02 GMT
Until you get Dragonnewt, yes. Just slap a 20%Hp on anything, lol. Note that the knight gauntlet is good when you want to DD,but a 20%hp SE will be your tanking one unless you get a KGS Another tip that I just thought of, lol, and may do for my own PLD W Xfer is so cheap, comparatively, that you can slap elem xtals on them rather than Schlingel or Suigetsu, actually. You get better dmg (10% vs 8.2-10%) and the xtals are pretty cheap The expensive part will be refining each lol Xfer + Sturm for Ents/Balors, Xfer + Vatendeth for Ents, Xfer + Eisen for Nommars. That would still be cheaper than 1 Suigetsu *cough* MiLiGRiTo ?*cough* Edit: Found Xtal for Fire mobs, and I guess the Xtals only add 10%; must have been thinking of Elem weapons that add 20% so idea not as good as I thought lol
My mind is completely blank and all that I can think of is DD for Double Digit... OTL |
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Post by Jeancarlo on Feb 12, 2015 0:35:50 GMT
Until you get Dragonnewt, yes. Just slap a 20%Hp on anything, lol. Note that the knight gauntlet is good when you want to DD,but a 20%hp SE will be your tanking one unless you get a KGS Another tip that I just thought of, lol, and may do for my own PLD W Xfer is so cheap, comparatively, that you can slap elem xtals on them rather than Schlingel or Suigetsu, actually. You get better dmg (10% vs 8.2-10%) and the xtals are pretty cheap The expensive part will be refining each lol Xfer + Sturm for Ents/Balors, Xfer + Vatendeth for Ents, Xfer + Eisen for Nommars. That would still be cheaper than 1 Suigetsu *cough* MiLiGRiTo ?*cough* Edit: Found Xtal for Fire mobs, and I guess the Xtals only add 10%; must have been thinking of Elem weapons that add 20% so idea not as good as I thought lol
My mind is completely blank and all that I can think of is DD for Double Digit... OTLDeal Damage or Damage Dealer, you n00b! (it irks me when I see someone say "I'm a DPS!"... which is saying they are a numerical value) |
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Post by super n00b on Feb 12, 2015 0:40:23 GMT
What's DD? xD
My mind is completely blank and all that I can think of is DD for Double Digit... OTL Deal Damage or Damage Dealer, you n00b! (it irks me when I see someone say "I'm a DPS!"... which is saying they are a numerical value)
Thankx!
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Luckily I can AOE on my own for the SP. Revita Ale quest. xD 
