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Post by blazer on Jul 21, 2017 11:44:16 GMT
It works for every type of melee damage that involves the enemy DEF in the calculation. Some skills ignore/will ignore the enemy DEF completely but in KO case Melee Pierce works. It's good against high DEF monsters like Gatekeeper if you already have a lot of ATK% (which you most likely have) or if your BASE ATK just isn't that high. My oath set is only: Elemental bows Ira Monty Adamantite Arrow it's not great. Like mentioned in the first page you want a mix of elemental bows and swords, bellow, monty, and adamantite arrow s or wild ring s depending on what weapon type you're wielding. In the future you don't want to lose a lot of HP while switching sets though if you can't oneshot the boss, so you might just want to switch to Fudayaibake Sword which will give you: Special Sword ATK + 23% MaxHP + 20% skill delay + 1.5 seconds damage reflection + 8%, then switch back to Genius. Edit: I use Malti and Vatendeth which give me 25% melee pierce combined any replacement for aas if we gonna use special sword for oath?
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Post by blazer on Jul 21, 2017 11:16:26 GMT
blazer It's already been tested multiple times and you don't seem to understand the concept of several multiplicators in a formula and the concept of diminishing returns: The more ATK % you get, the more effective every single Elemental Advantage % compared to an additional ATK % gets. The ONLY instance where ATK% is better than Elemental% is if the enemy DEF is so high, that you would penetrate severely less DEF% of the enemy but EVEN THEN Melee Pierce is better than ATK% in 99% of the cases. Example where ATK% would be better than Elemental%: Your ATK with around 50% ATK bonus = (6000), Enemy DEF = (6000); if you had more ATK% you would deal more than 100 damage this way. But now if you had Melee Pierce +15% instead you would bypass 900 DEF just like that. If you had 20% ATK, you would bypass 800 DEF only. You need a healthy balance between all multiplicators for great Oath damage. i don't know if this is a nub question does melee pierce help skill attack damage?i thought it was only for direct melee attacks.also can i know your equips for oath damage
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Post by blazer on Jul 21, 2017 11:04:19 GMT
blazer No, because elemental bonus acts as another multiplicator for the formula, it's like: Truncated(Oath damage you would deal * (1 + elemental bonus percentage)) You want to incorporate as many multiplicators as possible for your damaging skills because of that. the thing is i found celtis have huge atk percentage+21% and elements are having around 10%atk.so was wondering the extra 10%atk of celtis overdo the elements.it seems we can't say it without testing it my ourself unless anyone tested it already xd
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Post by blazer on Jul 21, 2017 10:33:17 GMT
hi can i know that buff set also since we use oath set just before last second won't it be telon better than iniliba on body and all other equips too buff set that i use: emp2, licht armor, brave cape up, myrica yes i also put telon on my heinrich too but i put vida on add cuz it cheaper emp for melee buff right?also what are the probability of licht buff and it won't reduce ko time is it?and boo isn't better than Heinrich?also how much is the atk up with licht and brave cap?
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Post by blazer on Jul 21, 2017 9:33:17 GMT
yea you mean 20% of the weopen atk% right?that will only make atk+11% to atk +14% at the max..or is it have any other meaning? +20% to the final damage, if you do 1m damage with Oath, you will do 1.2m with elemental advantage (it's more complicated than that but that's the idea) that will be nice i think i will have to test it by myself xd
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Post by blazer on Jul 21, 2017 8:48:45 GMT
oh only 20% more?then i think celtis will be way better. just wanted to clarify, 20% only for the element part. it does not include the atk% on the weapon yet. yea you mean 20% of the weopen atk% right?that will only make atk+11% to atk +14% at the max..or is it have any other meaning?
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Post by blazer on Jul 21, 2017 8:17:10 GMT
i didn't mean double attack..what i was saying is elemental bows mentioned above have atk% around 10-11% and celtis have atk 21%.so even then if elemental bows outmatch celtis means it was to do more than double the normal damage oh lol. Well, thats because elemental weapons deal 20% more damage to the element they are strong against. The damage are also calculated differently so 20% elemental damage does not equal to atk+20% oh only 20% more?then i think celtis will be way better.
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Post by blazer on Jul 21, 2017 8:00:42 GMT
I don't really know how elements work but compared to ur elemental bows celtis have double atk so are you saying elements make more than double of normal damage? that double attack only apply when you're auto attacking. It won't activate if you're using/spamming skill. i didn't mean double attack..what i was saying is elemental bows mentioned above have atk% around 10-11% and celtis have atk 21%.so even then if elemental bows outmatch celtis means it was to do more than double the normal damage
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Post by blazer on Jul 21, 2017 5:28:47 GMT
don't you think celtis iii will be better for bow build? Not really, elements play a big part in damage since chances are you are already dealing good damage and since elements are calculated after atk multiplication they work better I don't really know how elements work but compared to ur elemental bows celtis have double atk so are you saying elements make more than double of normal damage?
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Post by blazer on Jul 21, 2017 4:54:26 GMT
Here's what I use: Ouvel Sauro II Enina Muscle Valtia For equips I have Bellow Telon ☆QU3 Monty Telon ☆QU5 Shield Accessory ☆QU4 Adamantite Arrows Telon ☆QU2 Weapons (all with elemental crystas - for some reason they deal more damage) ☆QU1 Plandra Scorpia Dragon Paler Halios White Savior Ninigi Bercrete Aurumteus Fressia White Fox Golden Kite Sturm Hellfire Vatendeth Utility I use: Gandiva Oritius no abi Symbios Oritius no abi I don't worry about skill delay, it gets offset by my 400 Dex. don't you think celtis iii will be better for bow build?
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Post by blazer on Jul 17, 2017 11:14:05 GMT
does altan worth replacing malti considering the next mq al crysta Depends on your own HP yea if we already have high hp aroud 200k+ I wonder this make any difference on the other hand rate cut will make isn't it?
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Post by blazer on Jul 17, 2017 10:20:40 GMT
but the description is maxhp+1000 doesn't it mean to final hp? No it doesn't mean final HP does altan worth replacing malti considering the next mq al crysta
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Post by blazer on Jul 17, 2017 6:29:56 GMT
blazer RoR only reduces your crt rate by 30%, so having 353 CRT offsets that o.o/ yea but i need a ns till i get catura so definitely my crt will be way low
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Post by blazer on Jul 16, 2017 17:38:14 GMT
blazer About the spec, if STR build, Craft Guide Book should give a ton of raw ATK. For INT builds, Gaiety Ring is awesome and although it adds MATK and not ATK, the autoskill it gives is worth it, but use this only if slot. If you're looking for a bit of evasion and damage, there's Strategy Ring which gives +10% eva, pierce by DEX, and hidden ATK+6% and MATK+4%. Good even ns, but quite pricey. I'd rather use Catura Talisman in the end cuz everything else is expensive as heck x.x am looking for ns till i reach catura mq,so it also mean don't wanna spend much spina since it's temporary xd.about ror i will have to use lot of tech ability which make it costly for ns also
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Post by blazer on Jul 16, 2017 11:17:43 GMT
Here's what I use: Ouvel Sauro II Enina Muscle Valtia For equips I have Bellow Telon ☆QU3 Monty Telon ☆QU5 Shield Accessory ☆QU4 Adamantite Arrows Telon ☆QU2 Weapons (all with elemental crystas - for some reason they deal more damage) ☆QU1 Plandra Scorpia Dragon Paler Halios White Savior Ninigi Bercrete Aurumteus Fressia White Fox Golden Kite Sturm Hellfire Vatendeth Utility I use: Gandiva Oritius no abi Symbios Oritius no abi I don't worry about skill delay, it gets offset by my 400 Dex. can u spam guardian with this set?and what u mean by utility?
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