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Post by Makina Yuki on Jan 29, 2019 9:31:29 GMT
wonderer Idk where you get conclusion about physical damage boost more than 50%. Lets says, normal physical damage (magic blade) is 80k. Normally, without any other physical advantage it should be 120k. However, even with help of sauro ii, aster l5, origin, and wild ring, I never hit 120k+ magic blade physical damage unless in first hit via hide attack helps. With those equip, highest my physical part of magic blade only 90k-100k. Definetly not 50% physical damage boost.
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Post by wonderer on Jan 29, 2019 9:58:56 GMT
Well I was killing nommar, and normal MB dmg was like 60k and when I used origin water, it got to 90k and that's 50% increase, without hide attack.
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Post by Makina Yuki on Jan 29, 2019 11:17:51 GMT
Physical or magical part? if 60k means around 70k (65k-69k) and 90k means around 80k ish (85k-95k), then it because random coeficcient which adds damage. Also, have you ever tried another mob aside nommar?
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Post by Done~with~forums on Jan 29, 2019 11:18:25 GMT
Well I was killing nommar, and normal MB dmg was like 60k and when I used origin water, it got to 90k and that's 50% increase, without hide attack. maby nommar weak def made you do more try it another mob
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Post by ♪Sumire on Jan 29, 2019 11:27:16 GMT
If I remember correctly origin no matter which element increases mb dmg (from no origin) and another boost when used against weaker element
Also pretty sure it isn't 50% cause if its that much my m.nin should be dealing over 2m with suiton (with water origin buff - I already deals 1.2m without origin ..with water origin and mana combat water..it only went up to 1.8m..roughly 600k boost which isnt even close to 50%-with just water origin not counting mana combat/convert .. I'd say its around 20% from origin ...and another 20% from mana convert/combat rest will be from other factors)
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Post by wonderer on Jan 29, 2019 12:02:37 GMT
If I remember correctly origin no matter which element increases mb dmg (from no origin) and another boost when used against weaker element Also pretty sure it isn't 50% cause if its that much my m.nin should be dealing over 2m with suiton (with water origin buff - I already deals 1.2m without origin ..with water origin and mana combat water..it only went up to 1.8m..roughly 600k boost which isnt even close to 50%-with just water origin not counting mana combat/convert .. I'd say its around 20% from origin ...and another 20% from mana convert/combat rest will be from other factors) I said about physical dmg only. And I was thinking maybe magic element dmg is about 25%, while physical dmg is 50% boost with origin.
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Post by wonderer on Jan 29, 2019 12:08:20 GMT
If I remember correctly origin no matter which element increases mb dmg (from no origin) and another boost when used against weaker element Also pretty sure it isn't 50% cause if its that much my m.nin should be dealing over 2m with suiton (with water origin buff - I already deals 1.2m without origin ..with water origin and mana combat water..it only went up to 1.8m..roughly 600k boost which isnt even close to 50%-with just water origin not counting mana combat/convert .. I'd say its around 20% from origin ...and another 20% from mana convert/combat rest will be from other factors) I said about physical dmg only. And I was thinking maybe magic element dmg is about 25%, while physical dmg is 50% boost with origin. And dmg increase from 1.2m to 1.8m is 50%. So 25% from origin and 25% from mana combat, maybe.
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Post by wonderer on Jan 29, 2019 12:10:48 GMT
Well I was killing nommar, and normal MB dmg was like 60k and when I used origin water, it got to 90k and that's 50% increase, without hide attack. maby nommar weak def made you do more try it another mob Tests can be done better with low def mobs than high def mobs, since MB doesn't ignore defense.
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Post by wonderer on Jan 29, 2019 12:14:34 GMT
Maybe MB specially gets high dmg boost with origin, after BP update. Since it's name also changes as per origin element.
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Post by wonderer on Jan 29, 2019 13:19:36 GMT
I did some tests on other mobs and dmg increase of physical dmg of MB with origin is nowhere less than 50%, it's always at 50% or a bit more. But magical part of MB doesn't get very high boost, it's normal at 20% or so.
After BP update the multiplier of MB physical and magical part was increased. Yet physical atk has higher dmg multipler than magical atk. And also with origin Magic blade name changes and it's physical dmg part gets 50% dmg boost, but magical part gets normal dmg increase and that's 20% or so.
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Post by rave on Jan 29, 2019 16:33:30 GMT
I did some test to confirm this. And it's true. I did test on Baum warriors. I did it on my mp cost set so no elem +% Amber sail rossam Deceiver rossam Taenia rossam Free mq spell boost My buffs were only Magic barrier Stoneskin Draw Enchant weapon Both were +50% MAGIC BLADE PHYS - 27412 MAGIC - 41745 IGNIS BLADE (MAGIC BLADE DURING FIRE ORIGIN) PHYS - 41098 MAGIC - 64182
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Post by rave on Jan 29, 2019 17:06:48 GMT
Ohh done the experiment using magic blade 2, magic blade 1 still has same result. Still ~+50%
Tried magic combo, about only +2% - +3% in both magic and phys.
Hope u guys test his theory first before arguing with him. Let's give him a fair chance to express his discovery. We wouldn't have known how OP the rebalance was if he didn't notice it.
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Post by NightBreeze on Jan 29, 2019 20:58:27 GMT
I also did some tests with magic blade and origin and these are my findings: - If the enemy is not weak to the element, the magical part dmg is increased by 25%. The physical part stays the same. - If the enemy is weak to the element, the magical part dmg is increased by 50%. The physical part dmg is also increased by 50%.
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♪Sumire
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Post by ♪Sumire on Jan 29, 2019 21:53:26 GMT
Can u guys also check if that is also true on melee pt?
Or its probably only limited to mblade
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Post by Makina Yuki on Jan 29, 2019 21:55:18 GMT
Is that means origin boost physical damage of magic blade from base 20%-25% and increase melee to x element by 20%-25%? Have anyone tried non-magic blade physical damage skills (such as backstab or doc) or normal attack? I think origin extra 20%+ physical damage would be too OP to be true if applied to another skills or normal attack o.o
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