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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Aug 28, 2014 3:16:00 GMT
Oh, this explains it then. PS: If it doesn't consume autoskill, is it still an autoskill technically? I mean does it improve with Draw?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 3:40:57 GMT
This discussion reminds me of a thread a while back about the Gilgobble xtal and how it worked. I'll see if I can find it edit: found it irunaonline.boards.net/thread/1963/rrs-gilgobbleI'm not familiar with enchanter skills at all, and I think that memecoleous and gilgobble work differently for this class. Otherwise, I don't think it should consume auto skill for the other classes.
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Post by crazybrker on Aug 28, 2014 4:48:24 GMT
Good find @evelynn, So possibly meme and gilgo aren't autoskill's (technically), but they grant you the passive skills that come with other classes. If that's the case then they shouldn't stack on themselves. badeko, you use 2 meme right? Do they ever trigger both at the same time? I've used 3 Sofy xtals and can get all 3 to trigger at the same time pretty. If that worked for gilgo and meme, you would see people with 5 gilgo hitting 6 times at the same time. So it probably just grants you the passive skill. Still good info. Lastly Syerin was saying in the other thread that it cancels your enchant, like you get one or the other, but not both. Would be nice if you could get: Enchant, poison, double attack, and still use all 4 autoskills from gear at the same time.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Aug 28, 2014 6:30:17 GMT
Good find @evelynn, So possibly meme and gilgo aren't autoskill's (technically), but they grant you the passive skills that come with other classes. If that's the case then they shouldn't stack on themselves. badeko, you use 2 meme right? Do they ever trigger both at the same time? I've used 3 Sofy xtals and can get all 3 to trigger at the same time pretty. If that worked for gilgo and meme, you would see people with 5 gilgo hitting 6 times at the same time. So it probably just grants you the passive skill. Still good info. Lastly Syerin was saying in the other thread that it cancels your enchant, like you get one or the other, but not both. Would be nice if you could get: Enchant, poison, double attack, and still use all 4 autoskills from gear at the same time. badeko will be the best guy to answer this since he is the only one I have heard using 2 memes, but I don't see any reason why it shouldn't proc together. Of course, poison effect wouldn't stack but the damage on hit should. I don't think anyone has tried more than 1 gilgo. I don't see enchant being replaced by autoskill gears so far on my tests, so you can get 4 autos and enchant (I know I do). If you put a gilgo, meme on a weapon with autoskill, it should proc altogether in my theory (because none of them consumes autoskill), so it may be possible to proc enchant+gilgo+meme+4auto skills on a 5slot gear. However, I would be inclined to use meme than gilgo, since gilgo is only good if you have good ATK+CRT. I would rather have a 2s magic auto weap with meme and MATK rather than meme and gilgo.
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Post by crazybrker on Aug 28, 2014 10:23:56 GMT
I'm out of money now because of ultimi, who's free to try all this and post screenies. We need conformation on: -Multiple meme or gilgo triggers on 1 attack -Meme/gilgo triggering with enchant -Gilgo+Meme+Enchant+4 Autoskills. <--- =D would be awesome
**Remember, pictures or it didn't happen**
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aroxis
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Post by aroxis on Aug 28, 2014 14:34:01 GMT
I'm out of money now because of ultimi, who's free to try all this and post screenies. We need conformation on: -Multiple meme or gilgo triggers on 1 attack -Meme/gilgo triggering with enchant -Gilgo+Meme+Enchant+4 Autoskills. <--- =D would be awesome **Remember, pictures or it didn't happen** syerin Told me that gillgobble overwrites autoskill of a weapon ( Im not sure so i tagged her just in case xD) I am pretty sure that gillgobble consumes autoskill because double atk on gladiators is based off autoskill too ._.
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badeko
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Post by badeko on Aug 28, 2014 14:59:28 GMT
Well dang I gotta go farm another two memecoles slot them in a 2s item again and prove it x.x ... weres the love in that lol.
Anyways when I had my meme's in my 2s pknife. There wud be times were I see x2 venom attacks (rarely at same time)a fire lance frm ench, dark counter from dpr, .. now w my game play.. I tend to be switching alot of weaps at different times for different reason. 2s pknife x2 meme was merely used to proc posion alot faster since pknife + tgarb increased my posion dmg significantly.. but yes umn whats the cheapest 2weap w an autoskill? Ludus right?
As for if memecoleous and gobgob xtals are autoskills. Id say they are. I mean it casts posion lv1 by chance of atk. The wording may be weird to the eyes but the mechanics are thr same. The only benefit is that these xtals do not consume an autoskill. Id say these are underdog xtals for us u.u we sweep pass them but they can come in handy when u need that extra auto to work w.o consequence
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Post by aroxis on Aug 28, 2014 15:04:38 GMT
Well dang I gotta go farm another two memecoles slot them in a 2s item again and prove it x.x ... weres the love in that lol. Anyways when I had my meme's in my 2s pknife. There wud be times were I see x2 venom attacks (rarely at same time)a fire lance frm ench, dark counter from dpr, .. now w my game play.. I tend to be switching alot of weaps at different times for different reason. 2s pknife x2 meme was merely used to proc posion alot faster since pknife + tgarb increased my posion dmg significantly.. but yes umn whats the cheapest 2weap w an autoskill? Ludus right? As for if memecoleous and gobgob xtals are autoskills. Id say they are. I mean it casts posion lv1 by chance of atk. The wording may be weird to the eyes but the mechanics are thr same. The only benefit is that these xtals do not consume an autoskill. Id say these are underdog xtals for us u.u we sweep pass them but they can come in handy when u need that extra auto to work w.o consequence Well i guess that does make sense xD But i figured it out. Meme and gillgobble xtals both use autoskill but they dont CONSUME autoskills. By that I mean when xtals say they consume autoskill it means that it replaces the autoskill already (ie. gusanoth, obliagus) But if it doesnt say that it consumes autoskills that means the autoskill of the weapon and the autoskill of the xtal will proc together...this is what i think it means .-.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Aug 28, 2014 15:12:49 GMT
Consumes autoskill means there can be only one autoskill on an equipment. If you put an xtal that consumes autoskill it will replace the autoskill in the equipment.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 28, 2014 15:33:58 GMT
I'm out of money now because of ultimi, who's free to try all this and post screenies. We need conformation on: -Multiple meme or gilgo triggers on 1 attack -Meme/gilgo triggering with enchant -Gilgo+Meme+Enchant+4 Autoskills. <--- =D would be awesome **Remember, pictures or it didn't happen** syerin Told me that gillgobble overwrites autoskill of a weapon ( Im not sure so i tagged her just in case xD) I am pretty sure that gillgobble consumes autoskill because double atk on gladiators is based off autoskill too ._. ?? i have gilgoble in my dia espada way before it is used by enchanters. regret it. manawave never proc since that day. extracted and sold for 8m.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Aug 28, 2014 15:52:35 GMT
Ever since gilgo came out I have tried to justify its use. And each time I try, I fail at it. I cant just think of a way on how to make it to be worth anything. The only time it will be worth anything is if it procs 100% of the time, otherwise just using an atk xtal would provide better dps. I would say good riddance to it anytime.
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Post by badeko on Aug 28, 2014 16:24:59 GMT
Jus to clearify. If gilgob proc does tha mean I have x2 the chance of a enchant skill spell triggers? Ie if gobgob trigger could it be possible that x2firelances proc because of the x2 atk. Most like the trigger is by swing not that. Jus a curious question lol
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aroxis
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Post by aroxis on Aug 28, 2014 16:34:52 GMT
Jus to clearify. If gilgob proc does tha mean I have x2 the chance of a enchant skill spell triggers? Ie if gobgob trigger could it be possible that x2firelances proc because of the x2 atk. Most like the trigger is by swing not that. Jus a curious question lol Nope. Double attack doesnt really attack twice, it registers as one hit on the battle log.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Aug 28, 2014 16:38:11 GMT
Jus to clearify. If gilgob proc does tha mean I have x2 the chance of anchant skill spell triggers? Ie iger could it be possible that x2firelances proc because of the x2 atk. Most like the trigger is by swing not that Jus a curious question lol By description, double attack lvl 1 Is just 20% more damage, so I dont think so. (You only see 1 damage figure In battle log, although you see two damage on screen. Same as claw visual damage) i think autoskills proc on attack and not on another autoskill, otherwise, It can cause a program loop that will make you 1hit any boss (or you crash their server)
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aroxis
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Post by aroxis on Aug 28, 2014 16:40:48 GMT
Jus to clearify. If gilgob proc does tha mean I have x2 the chance of anchant skill spell triggers? Ie iger could it be possible that x2firelances proc because of the x2 atk. Most like the trigger is by swing not that Jus a curious question lol By description, double attack lvl 1 Is just 20% more damage, so I dont think so. (You only see 1 damage figure In battle log, although you see two damage on screen. Same as claw visual damage) i think autoskills proc on attack and not on another autoskill, otherwise, It can cause a program loop that will make you 1hit any boss (or you crash their server) I wish enchanter could proc based on other proc quq it would be a dream come tru QuQ
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