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Gladiator
Feb 6, 2014 12:52:31 GMT
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Post by Kororama on Feb 6, 2014 12:52:31 GMT
Cross counter skill adds so much dps that you would not want to have AGI. I have killed mobs without even attacking it (when I get aggre trying to cross some maps). thx should I go agi crtl with s.bow till 160+?
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 6, 2014 19:44:01 GMT
Cross counter skill adds so much dps that you would not want to have AGI. I have killed mobs without even attacking it (when I get aggre trying to cross some maps). thx should I go agi crtl with s.bow till 160+? Well yeah, you can reset afterwards. Use nail below lvl100 then special bow.
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Post by Ardent Sakuro on Feb 7, 2014 5:34:08 GMT
Finally people are acknowledging the sword instead of their claws
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 7, 2014 9:51:38 GMT
Finally people are acknowledging the sword instead of their claws Yeah because there are enough stat points, skill and gears to make it a viable build now.
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Gladiator
Feb 19, 2014 6:15:05 GMT
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Post by Kororama on Feb 19, 2014 6:15:05 GMT
Cool my topic is a guide now
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Gladiator
Feb 20, 2014 20:56:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2014 20:56:18 GMT
But Red Tengu still PWNS ALL ELEMENT NUBS SWORDS! Actually.........ill have to disagree. Explain: 1) Im definently hearing things about mobs immune to crt in jp making tengus boost useless. But thats not the main thing 2) Critical damage is based on base attack and crt and base attacks damage output depends on a mobs defense. Ill use a barrier for example. If the barrier makes all attacks under 1k base atk deal 1 damage and you have 999 base atk and red tengus 15% crt increase, you still deal 1-2 critical damage. In the same situation of a 1k barrier and your 999 base atk, if an element sword was used against the mobs element then it gets a 20% boost to the final damage output *Does not actually increase your base, but it increases base damage output done to the opponent* (info from rondai xon's element guide). With a 20% boost to your output will increase as if your base includes the boost. To that mob thanks to your element, your base atk output is 1198.8 so you can break the barrier and your critical damage can multiply it even higher. *Again this increase wont show up on your stats but is still scaled against mobs element weakness* I noticed this when messing around with my friends monk against a barrier and i saw if it would work with my soon to be gladiator alt. EDIT: Also, if a stronger element is used (EX: Winds stronger version is Lightning) Then thats an extra 10% boost, meaning a good 30% element boost.
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aroxis
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Gladiator
Feb 20, 2014 21:43:32 GMT
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Post by aroxis on Feb 20, 2014 21:43:32 GMT
But Red Tengu still PWNS ALL ELEMENT NUBS SWORDS! Actually.........ill have to disagree. Explain: 1) Im definently hearing things about mobs immune to crt in jp making tengus boost useless. But thats not the main thing 2) Critical damage is based on base attack and crt and base attacks damage output depends on a mobs defense. Ill use a barrier for example. If the barrier makes all attacks under 1k base atk deal 1 damage and you have 999 base atk and red tengus 15% crt increase, you still deal 1-2 critical damage. In the same situation of a 1k barrier and your 999 base atk, if an element sword was used against the mobs element then it gets a 20% boost to the final damage output *Does not actually increase your base, but it increases base damage output done to the opponent* (info from rondai xon's element guide). With a 20% boost to your output will increase as if your base includes the boost. To that mob thanks to your element, your base atk output is 1198.8 so you can break the barrier and your critical damage can multiply it even higher. *Again this increase wont show up on your stats but is still scaled against mobs element weakness* I noticed this when messing around with my friends monk against a barrier and i saw if it would work with my soon to be gladiator alt. EDIT: Also, if a stronger element is used (EX: Winds stronger version is Lightning) Then thats an extra 10% boost, meaning a good 30% element boost. That makes a lot of sense........ but I really think that tengu is still ok for standard use yes? And lets say you have a sword like firebrand vritra, with its low atk number can it still penetrate through a high lvl bosses defences better than tengu? O.o idk...
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Post by LeviDane on Feb 27, 2014 14:26:56 GMT
I used to be a nail build agi/crt gladiator. At lvl 160 i changed to sword build and it is so much better. Does about twice the damage and cross counter makes up for no agi. Then if you do berserk, it is goodnight for whatever is on the end of your blade
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Post by Shiryu on Feb 27, 2014 15:59:13 GMT
i'm lv 94 gladiator and using nail for now, with stat agi 140 and crt around 140+ maybe after my crt 180 will raise str, and when we can use sword? at str 100 or more? i mean when is the good time for me to use sword? already buy a tengu
btw where is the quest to get relax 2 and berserk?
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Post by LeviDane on Feb 27, 2014 17:07:27 GMT
Personally i'm not sure if it's a good idea to do that build because your stat points will be spread and you may not be strong with either a sword or nail. I feel as if you have to be 100% nail or 100% sword. To get the best benefits. You get beserk quest from Sherau inside the Consulate (sofya)and for relax 2 you need to be level 100 and do the quest from Neryl (knightly revival)
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 28, 2014 1:13:27 GMT
But Red Tengu still PWNS ALL ELEMENT NUBS SWORDS! Actually.........ill have to disagree. Explain: 1) Im definently hearing things about mobs immune to crt in jp making tengus boost useless. But thats not the main thing 2) Critical damage is based on base attack and crt and base attacks damage output depends on a mobs defense. Ill use a barrier for example. If the barrier makes all attacks under 1k base atk deal 1 damage and you have 999 base atk and red tengus 15% crt increase, you still deal 1-2 critical damage. In the same situation of a 1k barrier and your 999 base atk, if an element sword was used against the mobs element then it gets a 20% boost to the final damage output *Does not actually increase your base, but it increases base damage output done to the opponent* (info from rondai xon's element guide). With a 20% boost to your output will increase as if your base includes the boost. To that mob thanks to your element, your base atk output is 1198.8 so you can break the barrier and your critical damage can multiply it even higher. *Again this increase wont show up on your stats but is still scaled against mobs element weakness* I noticed this when messing around with my friends monk against a barrier and i saw if it would work with my soon to be gladiator alt. EDIT: Also, if a stronger element is used (EX: Winds stronger version is Lightning) Then thats an extra 10% boost, meaning a good 30% element boost. The thing is, most gladiators will have good ATK once they start building their STR. I have 63STR right now and my ATK is around 1.4k+, when I use Katz, i have 1.6k+, but I'm begginning to hit higher with my Tengu than my Katz (both +9 plazuda). I would reckon Max STR would land around 2.5k+. Maybe push to 3k+. If an STR glad could not break barrier, I feel that most toons would also have problems with it and it would be a monk's time to shine. Tengu is a powerful sword if you know what you are doing. 15% crit is not something you can get easily from other crystals or equips.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 28, 2014 1:35:27 GMT
Personally i'm not sure if it's a good idea to do that build because your stat points will be spread and you may not be strong with either a sword or nail. I feel as if you have to be 100% nail or 100% sword. To get the best benefits. You get beserk quest from Sherau inside the Consulate (sofya)and for relax 2 you need to be level 100 and do the quest from Neryl (knightly revival) I would agree with this. However, I am not in favor of nail glads. If you are AGI/CRT, I believe you should try Ninja. There are 3 skills that you lose when you go AGI. 1) Berserk - doesn't really make your attack any more faster since you already have max ASPD. 2) Cross Counter - it doesn't proc if mobs don't hit you because you have evasion. 3) Regeneration - Heals 5% of your HP every 4 seconds and costs 1 Gladiator revita. For 6k spina Glad Rev, it wouldn't be wise to heal you at 150HP every 4 seconds. You would rather Revita L. If you nail glad, you'd do good in mob grinds because you have good evasion and maybe able to tank some bosses. If you CRT/STR/VIT glad you would have very good DPS and take down bosses quickly. If you CRT/VIT/STR glad you would have good tanking capabilities. If you max aspd sword glad, you end up short on each of the above and will probably be unwanted at boss grinds. Not a good position to be in.
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Post by Shiryu on Feb 28, 2014 5:36:48 GMT
Personally i'm not sure if it's a good idea to do that build because your stat points will be spread and you may not be strong with either a sword or nail. I feel as if you have to be 100% nail or 100% sword. To get the best benefits. You get beserk quest from Sherau inside the Consulate (sofya)and for relax 2 you need to be level 100 and do the quest from Neryl (knightly revival) I would agree with this. However, I am not in favor of nail glads. If you are AGI/CRT, I believe you should try Ninja. There are 3 skills that you lose when you go AGI. 1) Berserk - doesn't really make your attack any more faster since you already have max ASPD. 2) Cross Counter - it doesn't proc if mobs don't hit you because you have evasion. 3) Regeneration - Heals 5% of your HP every 4 seconds and costs 1 Gladiator revita. For 6k spina Glad Rev, it wouldn't be wise to heal you at 150HP every 4 seconds. You would rather Revita L. If you nail glad, you'd do good in mob grinds because you have good evasion and maybe able to tank some bosses. If you CRT/STR/VIT glad you would have very good DPS and take down bosses quickly. If you CRT/VIT/STR glad you would have good tanking capabilities. If you max aspd sword glad, you end up short on each of the above and will probably be unwanted at boss grinds. Not a good position to be in. no, i'm not going to max my aspd/agi, just stop at 140 agi then continue to crt 180 and str for the rest how bout that? i'm little bit confuse about stats-_- many people give me different advice and stat, maybe should try this stat for now until get stefly and chance agi to vit lol btw can u give me u're stat guys? maybe it can be my next stat if i get stefly and tell me some details, cause actually i want build a gladi that strong enough for solo bosses thanks for u'r info guys, really appreciate it
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Post by LeviDane on Feb 28, 2014 6:53:24 GMT
'no, i'm not going to max my aspd/agi, just stop at 140 agi then continue to crt 180 and str for the rest how bout that?'
As i said before I wouldn't recommend it because you wouldn't be strong with neither a sword or a nail. Also I think gladiators need to have some VIT or you will die too quickly. You won't have enough points to add to VIT by doing this current build. As i said if you want to use a nail then max CRT/AGI/VIT forget about STR. If you want to use a sword go CRT/STR/VIT.
Currently I'm level 177 STR - 216 VIT - 69 CRT - 256
My normal attack deals about 6-7k and double attack 12-14k.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Feb 28, 2014 8:29:06 GMT
Although I would end up with the same max stats with LeviDane, I took the VIT route: My current 187 is VIT-256 CRT-243 STR-72 I can solo bosses (I have one video here with my Ganei fight, too lazy to add more, but you'd get the picture). I have 30k+ hp with my ATK gear so my regen is 1.5k+ per 4 seconds. I use Onigiri as pots for 3k+ heal. I have 4k to 5k single crit. I make up for my low dmg grinding mobs via multimob (I attack 4 mobs at a time so I see around 5x 5k dmg with counter attack. I end up with 25k+ DPS with that). Mobs hit me with low damage (e.g. Tigris hits me with 1 to 40dmg. Who needs evasion?) With my HP gear, I can pump my HP to around 60k. This lands me with about 3k+ regen every 4 seconds and 6k+ onigiri (my gear also has -2.5 second item delay so I can spam 6k pots very fast (around every 2 seconds or so)). This makes me recover 18khp within 5 seconds.
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