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Post by Ryukengan on Jul 27, 2014 13:10:24 GMT
question. why is it called a magic ninja if its not using magic? throwing is not a magic weapon either. nothing is magical on your type of ninja that i can relate. i'm leaning toward the term throwing ninja for this case. there's actually an old thread discussing about the difference of throwing and magic ninja. magic ninja use their magic skill, chain combo katon-raiton-earthshaker and aim for the highest matk. throwing ninja use int>str>dex>crt in any order to fully maximize physical damage to utilize clone dance and aim for the highest atk. the only reason throwing ninja build on int is to increase throwing's atk. just my piece. You can go for maximum MATK for normal party runs, you can play as a magic ninja just fine, but right now wild dance is superior. The "proper" way to build a ninja is the hybrid route anyway later. It doesn't matter what you pump up, whether it be MATK, ATK, or Critical Damage, your overall damage will benefit from it. That's why you can't really point a finger on a name and say that this is the correct term, because Ninja is such a variable class that you would need dozens of terms to get them all that's why I currently only use physical ninja, and magical ninja as terms for them. He asked whether to go with Enchanter or Magic Ninja and I'd say Magic Ninja, due to his soloing capabilities with the physical damage skill.
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Post by Alfamale on Jul 27, 2014 13:13:18 GMT
You dont use magic as a magic ninja if you want to solo bosses, thats the thing. A magic ninja usually also uses throwing weapons. question. why is it called a magic ninja if its not using magic? throwing is not a magic weapon either. nothing is magical on your type of ninja that i can relate. i'm leaning toward the term throwing ninja for this case. there's actually an old thread discussing about the difference of throwing and magic ninja. magic ninja use their magic skill, chain combo katon-raiton-earthshaker and aim for the highest matk. throwing ninja use int>str>dex>crt in any order to fully maximize physical damage to utilize clone dance and aim for the highest atk. the only reason throwing ninja build on int is to increase throwing's atk. just my piece. This is the same build as magic ninjas lol ._. Magic ninjas are throwing ninjas. There's no difference. Just some would rather use the magic skills and others just use dance of clones. But if they were to use the opposite it would be the same lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 14:02:15 GMT
question. why is it called a magic ninja if its not using magic? throwing is not a magic weapon either. nothing is magical on your type of ninja that i can relate. i'm leaning toward the term throwing ninja for this case. there's actually an old thread discussing about the difference of throwing and magic ninja. magic ninja use their magic skill, chain combo katon-raiton-earthshaker and aim for the highest matk. throwing ninja use int>str>dex>crt in any order to fully maximize physical damage to utilize clone dance and aim for the highest atk. the only reason throwing ninja build on int is to increase throwing's atk. just my piece. This is the same build as magic ninjas lol ._. Magic ninjas are throwing ninjas. There's no difference. Just some would rather use the magic skills and others just use dance of clones. But if they were to use the opposite it would be the same lol take a look at staff enchanter. INT>DEX>AGI and INT>AGI>DEX. same stat build but tell me in very detail form, why is the second build dealing 4k more magic if the theory magic ninja and throwing ninja is the same build, and completely equal if they switch position.
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Post by reb13 on Jul 27, 2014 14:08:45 GMT
My brain hurts ><
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 14:16:36 GMT
but you pointed out the "support" term which almost majority of enchanter don't build their char for. max int>140-ish agi for aspd>70-ish dex for accuracy>rest to vit is not at all a support type. i'm built to support party and i can say enchanter is one of the best supporter if it is built to support and not to be on the front line. solo wise, they are the same. party support, its subjective. You don't really need to build for support to support well though. All you have to do is buff your party members, of course max VIT helps with MP refill, but the main sensation are all the great buffs an Enchanter can bring into the fight. The problem with most Enchanters though is that they don't want to accept the fact that they are a mostly auxiliary force, they only buff themselves up and try to maximise their own damage instead of trying to maximise the party's damage, resulting in an overall much higher damage output, and party survivability. max VIT can support in simple but take it deeper, lack of needed DEX to cap buff cooldown. the only things enchanter can cast/cool instantly is stoneskin and MP recharge. if you need more say origin, you will make him vulnerable to fatal hit in case stoneskin take 1 big hit while he's cooling down.
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Post by Senpai on Jul 27, 2014 14:40:00 GMT
question. why is it called a magic ninja if its not using magic? throwing is not a magic weapon either. nothing is magical on your type of ninja that i can relate. i'm leaning toward the term throwing ninja for this case. there's actually an old thread discussing about the difference of throwing and magic ninja. magic ninja use their magic skill, chain combo katon-raiton-earthshaker and aim for the highest matk. throwing ninja use int>str>dex>crt in any order to fully maximize physical damage to utilize clone dance and aim for the highest atk. the only reason throwing ninja build on int is to increase throwing's atk. just my piece. This is the same build as magic ninjas lol ._. Magic ninjas are throwing ninjas. There's no difference. Just some would rather use the magic skills and others just use dance of clones. But if they were to use the opposite it would be the same lol the thing here is that DOC is affected by amount of clones, attack and CRT. magic ninjas focus solely on matk to do the combo, whereas the other build needs crit to do high damage.
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Post by tomnwuv on Jul 27, 2014 14:40:31 GMT
I personally have a lvl 162 enchanter..I find him an awesome solo class as well as an amazing support class...my partner has a very well put together non magic ninja and we can duo any boss in episode 1. The stoneskin ability at lvl 160 allows me to solo most bosses up to shlingel (haven't tried past him)
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Post by Alfamale on Jul 27, 2014 14:47:24 GMT
This is the same build as magic ninjas lol ._. Magic ninjas are throwing ninjas. There's no difference. Just some would rather use the magic skills and others just use dance of clones. But if they were to use the opposite it would be the same lol take a look at staff enchanter. INT>DEX>AGI and INT>AGI>DEX. same stat build but tell me in very detail form, why is the second build dealing 4k more magic if the theory magic ninja and throwing ninja is the same build, and completely equal if they switch position. Second enchanter build would be dealing more because of the advantage of equips(Magic amp, Raziel code etc, even the stats may have the same int dex agi in it the int agi dex would have more benefits from its agi). But as far as magic/throwing ninjas, the build is completely identical. The only difference between the two are the preferences on skills they use. My magic ninja is int/str/dex/vit(switched from bishop but not regretting the vit ._.). I regularly go between magic combos and still land very high damage with clone dance. I also use a mix of Atk/Matk gears so I benefit from both sides. Wether people like it or not. If you claim yourself to be a "throwing" ninja then you're a "magic" ninja as well. And the whole clone dance depends on crt O.o uhhhhh no I deal the same as crt based ninjas without crt or xtals lol
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2014 16:03:53 GMT
take a look at staff enchanter. INT>DEX>AGI and INT>AGI>DEX. same stat build but tell me in very detail form, why is the second build dealing 4k more magic if the theory magic ninja and throwing ninja is the same build, and completely equal if they switch position. Second enchanter build would be dealing more because of the advantage of equips(Magic amp, Raziel code etc, even the stats may have the same int dex agi in it the int agi dex would have more benefits from its agi). But as far as magic/throwing ninjas, the build is completely identical. The only difference between the two are the preferences on skills they use. My magic ninja is int/str/dex/vit(switched from bishop but not regretting the vit ._.). I regularly go between magic combos and still land very high damage with clone dance. I also use a mix of Atk/Matk gears so I benefit from both sides. Wether people like it or not. If you claim yourself to be a "throwing" ninja then you're a "magic" ninja as well. And the whole clone dance depends on crt O.o uhhhhh no I deal the same as crt based ninjas without crt or xtals lol magic ninja max INT>DEX first. your build is not a magic ninja. you're confused with build too? magic ninja start STR late because they only cast magic. no clone dance. throwing ninja start STR earlier so they can clone dance & deal bonus magic. throwing ninja have the advantage of dealing both but their basics are not the same. magic ninja 100% cast, 0% clone dance in early game. throwing ninja 50% cast, 50% clone dance in early game. of course these 2 will be the same once you have the points to cap 6 stats.
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Post by Umaru-chan on Jul 28, 2014 8:42:50 GMT
I wish i could make a poll on this hahaha XD anyway thank you guys for your opinion/suggestions... So based from your votes, M. ninja wins?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2014 8:58:07 GMT
yes.
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Post by GENSHIN™ on Sept 18, 2014 11:53:38 GMT
My bro is magic ninja and pair that with a enchanter you have a sick set up lol enchanter will not have to use pots at mega from level160+ they are prbaly the most consistent class at mega tbh without having to use HP pots mp pots etc both very gd classes ^^
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Post by GENSHIN™ on Sept 18, 2014 11:54:13 GMT
Probably I mean haha
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Post by Umaru-chan on Jan 17, 2015 12:21:29 GMT
Reminiscing ^_^ i now have both haha thanks again to those who helped/commented/etc.
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