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Post by Alfamale on Aug 18, 2014 18:17:01 GMT
Resty rod buff reacts nearly every time you're hit(including aoe hits/bursts). Which is +50% Matk, Dragon mail has a 4-5k counter attack, viola does 10-15k counter attacks so often it's basically a double attack equip for high wizards. That's basically a total of 124% Matk. The question about EQ. It wouldn't take 10 seconds between each cast as with + skill delay equips. It's roughly 5-6 seconds. With viola equipped it's just barely any difference in casting.I dont really understand here...do you like lvl solo all the time because I Have i hw and i rarely get hit in pts...When im farming mega...i usually have a pally or glad to keep hate another hw and a bishop with me...and im not dumb enough to stand right next to the mega hoping i get hit so my resty and viola will proc causing the bishop to stop spamming neme and healing me lowering the overall dps of the party. And when exactly does a high wizard get hit during boss farms for these buffs to activate? All this counter atk stuff is kinda worthless when you are in a party lmao. In a party leveling or farming, you are still gonna get out dps by the cooldown hw lmao. And btw what calculations did you do to get that "total of 124% matk"? Also if you looked at what i said i said its a fake scenario, so this may not be exactly like your toon but i set both high wizards to the same standards and one still out dpsed the other. You also talked about viola has almost no effect on casting. Yep it probaly doesnt if it takes 2 seconds to cast normally, now it takes 3 seconds, no problem for you but every second counts for a cooldown hw so viola wont work since it makes them slower and clunkier yes I do a lot of solo leveling, but I'm mostly in parties. I can solo 4 megas without hp gear and 5 high ents without hp gear. But the point is counter attack while defending is for defending against anything. Aoe attacks/bursts count as defending as well. I've proven it farming gods with their bursts/aoe attacks. This also applies to resty rods buff even at megas. They use some kinda aoe ice Atk thing. When your armors get triggered that's..... 10-15k dmg from viola, 4-5k from dragon mail, Matk+50% and damaged receive reduced from dragon mail. I got 124% Matk from the total Matk including resty rods buff. 74% with armors and xtals Matk, added +50% from resty rod buff. Also viola, It takes roughly 1.5 seconds to cast EQ, with viola 2 seconds to cast. Maxing out dex and using ghost candle help keep the casting to a moderate pace.
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Post by aroxis on Aug 18, 2014 18:50:34 GMT
I dont really understand here...do you like lvl solo all the time because I Have i hw and i rarely get hit in pts...When im farming mega...i usually have a pally or glad to keep hate another hw and a bishop with me...and im not dumb enough to stand right next to the mega hoping i get hit so my resty and viola will proc causing the bishop to stop spamming neme and healing me lowering the overall dps of the party. And when exactly does a high wizard get hit during boss farms for these buffs to activate? All this counter atk stuff is kinda worthless when you are in a party lmao. In a party leveling or farming, you are still gonna get out dps by the cooldown hw lmao. And btw what calculations did you do to get that "total of 124% matk"? Also if you looked at what i said i said its a fake scenario, so this may not be exactly like your toon but i set both high wizards to the same standards and one still out dpsed the other. You also talked about viola has almost no effect on casting. Yep it probaly doesnt if it takes 2 seconds to cast normally, now it takes 3 seconds, no problem for you but every second counts for a cooldown hw so viola wont work since it makes them slower and clunkier yes I do a lot of solo leveling, but I'm mostly in parties. I can solo 4 megas without hp gear and 5 high ents without hp gear. But the point is counter attack while defending is for defending against anything. Aoe attacks/bursts count as defending as well. I've proven it farming gods with their bursts/aoe attacks. This also applies to resty rods buff even at megas. They use some kinda aoe ice Atk thing. When your armors get triggered that's..... 10-15k dmg from viola, 4-5k from dragon mail, Matk+50% and damaged receive reduced from dragon mail. I got 124% Matk from the total Matk including resty rods buff. 74% with armors and xtals Matk, added +50% from resty rod buff. Also viola, It takes roughly 1.5 seconds to cast EQ, with viola 2 seconds to cast. Maxing out dex and using ghost candle help keep the casting to a moderate pace. I dont really think its 2 seconds to cast EQ either but its not really 1.5 sec either...i used this vid as a refence I think its about 1.7 seconds to cast EQ with max dex, and if you add vio on it should be 2.5 seconds per cast and you are still gonna have that 5.5 second cooldown because of the resty rod and gerust(s) so its still about 8 seconds between EQ's lol if you really still wanna do the math and see which build still does more dmg go ahead. IM too lazy. And i would like to know more about the dmail/viola proc on aoe booms (like schingles aoe booms)cuz i use dpr and it never ever procs on aoe
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Post by Alfamale on Aug 18, 2014 20:30:41 GMT
yes I do a lot of solo leveling, but I'm mostly in parties. I can solo 4 megas without hp gear and 5 high ents without hp gear. But the point is counter attack while defending is for defending against anything. Aoe attacks/bursts count as defending as well. I've proven it farming gods with their bursts/aoe attacks. This also applies to resty rods buff even at megas. They use some kinda aoe ice Atk thing. When your armors get triggered that's..... 10-15k dmg from viola, 4-5k from dragon mail, Matk+50% and damaged receive reduced from dragon mail. I got 124% Matk from the total Matk including resty rods buff. 74% with armors and xtals Matk, added +50% from resty rod buff. Also viola, It takes roughly 1.5 seconds to cast EQ, with viola 2 seconds to cast. Maxing out dex and using ghost candle help keep the casting to a moderate pace. I dont really think its 2 seconds to cast EQ either but its not really 1.5 sec either...i used this vid as a refence I think its about 1.7 seconds to cast EQ with max dex, and if you add vio on it should be 2.5 seconds per cast and you are still gonna have that 5.5 second cooldown because of the resty rod and gerust(s) so its still about 8 seconds between EQ's lol if you really still wanna do the math and see which build still does more dmg go ahead. IM too lazy. And i would like to know more about the dmail/viola proc on aoe booms (like schingles aoe booms)cuz i use dpr and it never ever procs on aoe Dpr upgrades auto attack is by chance. Not by defending. So its not as effective as dmail. Taking skill delay out the equation. EQ takes around 3 seconds cool down with max dex. Now add resty rod +0.5 & Gerust +1, it would take around 4.5 seconds cool down. With viola i still have a stable 250 cspd. So I'm not massively effected by the cast so its barely any difference with or without it on. Over all its around 6 seconds per eq just barely any slower than -skill delay. Also to add, One can simply use quick cool ability to replace the armors -skill delay and use pure matk equips instead
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 18, 2014 20:42:40 GMT
I dont really think its 2 seconds to cast EQ either but its not really 1.5 sec either...i used this vid as a refence I think its about 1.7 seconds to cast EQ with max dex, and if you add vio on it should be 2.5 seconds per cast and you are still gonna have that 5.5 second cooldown because of the resty rod and gerust(s) so its still about 8 seconds between EQ's lol if you really still wanna do the math and see which build still does more dmg go ahead. IM too lazy. And i would like to know more about the dmail/viola proc on aoe booms (like schingles aoe booms)cuz i use dpr and it never ever procs on aoe Dpr upgrades auto attack is by chance. Not by defending. So its not as effective as dmail. Taking skill delay out the equation. EQ takes around 3 seconds cool down with max dex. Now add resty rod +0.5 & Gerust +1, it would take around 4.5 seconds cool down. With viola i still have a stable 250 cspd. So I'm not massively effected by the cast so its barely any difference with or without it on. Over all its around 6 seconds per eq just barely any slower than -skill delay. Also to add, One can simply use quick cool ability to replace the armors -skill delay and use pure matk equips instead dpr up's is a counter ability on defense, and from what i've experience resty's spellboost effect is 35-40% matk boost. got me from 2.1k to 2.9k you'd also need a lot of autoskill/luck to get all of the passives to trigger, specially on a boss aoe. (sometimes my resty/dpr don't trigger for 20 seconds with 3 mobs on me)
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Post by aroxis on Aug 18, 2014 21:06:20 GMT
I dont really think its 2 seconds to cast EQ either but its not really 1.5 sec either...i used this vid as a refence I think its about 1.7 seconds to cast EQ with max dex, and if you add vio on it should be 2.5 seconds per cast and you are still gonna have that 5.5 second cooldown because of the resty rod and gerust(s) so its still about 8 seconds between EQ's lol if you really still wanna do the math and see which build still does more dmg go ahead. IM too lazy. And i would like to know more about the dmail/viola proc on aoe booms (like schingles aoe booms)cuz i use dpr and it never ever procs on aoe Dpr upgrades auto attack is by chance. Not by defending. So its not as effective as dmail. Taking skill delay out the equation. EQ takes around 3 seconds cool down with max dex. Now add resty rod +0.5 & Gerust +1, it would take around 4.5 seconds cool down. With viola i still have a stable 250 cspd. So I'm not massively effected by the cast so its barely any difference with or without it on. Over all its around 6 seconds per eq just barely any slower than -skill delay. Also to add, One can simply use quick cool ability to replace the armors -skill delay and use pure matk equips instead Would you like to post your gear? Cuz right now you are comparing your build with my cooldown build while i am comparing my cooldown build with MY damage build, not yours. Based on this info you gave me, im going to revise my first post comparing builds
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Post by aroxis on Aug 18, 2014 21:24:46 GMT
Oh? Then lets make a fake scenairo to see which build will actually work better :3
HIGH WIZARD #1 Resty rod/gerust (+30%) Dragon Mail/Moldus(+20%) Viola/gerust (+24%) S.bangle
Total magic atk : +74% matk Total skill delay : +1.5 seconds (Factoring the -1 sec delay from max dex)
HIGH WIZARD #2 Solve rod/gerust (+27%) Ultimi/moldus (+20%) Mercure/dunkelis (+19) ......Mercure gives 6% matk rite?.... .-.
Total magic atk : 66% matk Total skill delay : -1.7 seconds (Factoring the -1 sec delay from max dex)
Now that we have all the numbers layed out lets apply them to a skill...
EARTHQUAKE
Now lets say that it takes 2 seconds to cast EQ with max dex and it has a 3 sec cooldown... (no modifiers)
Now with HW #1 it will take 3 seconds to cast and almost 5 seconds to cooldown (4.5 second to be accurate) Which is basically 8 seconds in between EQ'sNow with HW#2 will take 2 seconds to cast and approx. 1 second to cooldown (1.3 sec to be exact) which is basically 4 seconds between EQAnd Tbh if its gonna take me twice as long to give an EQ that is 8% stronger, its not worth it.
(counter skills from viola, resty and dmail have no effect here. In these scenarios the high wizard is reciving no dmg whatsoever, this is a contest of pure dps because in almost no situation will the high wizard be reciveving constant dmg from a mob (ex. mega) or a boss (ex. dunkelis) if in a proper party. And we will not be adding those autoskills from those items because they do not proc 100% of the time so there is really no way to measure them) Example
Lets say that high wiz number 2 is leveling and deals 20k per EQ every 4 seconds and we have another High wiz number 1 deals EQ that is 8% stronger so it deals 21.6k every 8 seconds who deals more damage? obviouly the high wiz #2
Now lets even say that high wiz #1 had a faster cooldown and could cast 21.6k every 6 seconds while the other high wizard casted 20k every 4 seconds who would deal more dmg?
Lets see... in 12 seconds High wizard 2 (cooldown) would have casted 3 EQs dealing 60k dmg in total while high wiz number 2 could have casted 2 EQ dealing 43.2k dmg. Alfamale NOW do you see why cooldown build is better?There you go.
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Post by Alfamale on Aug 18, 2014 21:49:15 GMT
I'm deleting all my characters on iruna because it's on an email I'm deactivating. But the gear I had before giving most away was
Resty rod @179+8/False Grecia(gave to ex guildie) Resty rod @180+8/Gerust(Gave to guildie) Resty rod 179+8 ns(the one I have atm)
Magic robe +9/Shojo(gave to guild) Dpr+9/Shojo(gave to a friend) Dmail ns(what I have atm)
Witch hat ns Viola/Spellboost Viola/False Grecia(accidental dispose while storaging)
Deco ring/False Grecia Stone figurine ns Ghost candle ns
Gear set up was Resty rod @179/fg Magic robe+9/shojo Witch hat ns Deco ring/fg Total matk: 3k Resty buff: 3.8k
Resty rod/gerust Dpr/shojo Viola/fg Deco ring/fg Total Matk: 3.4k Resty buff: 4.2k
Gear now: Resty rod ns Dmail ns Viola/spellboost Deco ring/fg Total Matk: 2.8k Resty buff: 3.6k Spellboost: 3.4k
The gear set ups with viola on I still had 250 cspd.
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Post by Stacy's Mom on Aug 18, 2014 22:55:47 GMT
I'm deleting all my characters on iruna because it's on an email I'm deactivating. But the gear I had before giving most away was Resty rod @189+8/False Grecia(gave to ex guildie) Resty rod @190+8/Gerust(Gave to guildie) Resty rod 189+8 ns(the one I have atm) Magic robe +9/Shojo(gave to guild) Dpr+9/Shojo(gave to a friend) Dmail ns(what I have atm) Witch hat ns Viola/Spellboost Viola/False Grecia(accidental dispose while storaging) Deco ring/False Grecia Stone figurine ns Ghost candle ns Gear set up was Resty rod @189/fg Magic robe+9/shojo Witch hat ns Deco ring/fg Total matk: 3k Resty buff: 3.8k Resty rod/gerust Dpr/shojo Viola/fg Deco ring/fg Total Matk: 3.4k Resty buff: 4.2k Gear now: Resty rod ns Dmail ns Viola/spellboost Deco ring/fg Total Matk: 2.8k Resty buff: 3.6k Spellboost: 3.4k The gear set ups with viola on I still had 250 cspd. so you had resty rods with attacks that aren't possible till the next production cap? .-.
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Post by Alfamale on Aug 19, 2014 1:12:42 GMT
I'm deleting all my characters on iruna because it's on an email I'm deactivating. But the gear I had before giving most away was Resty rod @189+8/False Grecia(gave to ex guildie) Resty rod @190+8/Gerust(Gave to guildie) Resty rod 189+8 ns(the one I have atm) Magic robe +9/Shojo(gave to guild) Dpr+9/Shojo(gave to a friend) Dmail ns(what I have atm) Witch hat ns Viola/Spellboost Viola/False Grecia(accidental dispose while storaging) Deco ring/False Grecia Stone figurine ns Ghost candle ns Gear set up was Resty rod @189/fg Magic robe+9/shojo Witch hat ns Deco ring/fg Total matk: 3k Resty buff: 3.8k Resty rod/gerust Dpr/shojo Viola/fg Deco ring/fg Total Matk: 3.4k Resty buff: 4.2k Gear now: Resty rod ns Dmail ns Viola/spellboost Deco ring/fg Total Matk: 2.8k Resty buff: 3.6k Spellboost: 3.4k The gear set ups with viola on I still had 250 cspd. so you had resty rods with attacks that aren't possible till the next production cap? .-. o.o never noticed that lol fixing it xD 10 Atk down lmao
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Post by rahovart on Aug 20, 2014 7:20:28 GMT
What are all the level 160 skill quests and where do I get thunderbolt lvl 2?
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Post by mafuers on Aug 20, 2014 15:03:53 GMT
What are all the level 160 skill quests and where do I get thunderbolt lvl 2? Level 160 u can get Thor Hammer at Elban Thunderbolt Level 2 u can get when u became High Wizard and wan to ask How to see MATK with n without buff from Resty Rod??
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Post by rahovart on Aug 21, 2014 3:49:25 GMT
I think mines close to 2000. I'm not very knowledgeable about buffing my gear. I want a mezzaluna xstal for my mage garb and sometime when I feel like it I'm goa go farming for exelis. Using a srod with spell boost. If anyone wants to leave me some gear advice feel free I would appreciate it. You guys seem to know your builds better than I do. One final note if you name gear and xstals could you tell me where their at. I'm not good with just boss names.
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Post by Alfamale on Aug 21, 2014 12:39:46 GMT
I think mines close to 2000. I'm not very knowledgeable about buffing my gear. I want a mezzaluna xstal for my mage garb and sometime when I feel like it I'm goa go farming for exelis. Using a srod with spell boost. If anyone wants to leave me some gear advice feel free I would appreciate it. You guys seem to know your builds better than I do. One final note if you name gear and xstals could you tell me where their at. I'm not good with just boss names. mezzaluna is for special equipments. Matk+15% MaxMP-40% when equipped to special equip MaxMP+40%
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Post by rahovart on Aug 22, 2014 19:14:50 GMT
What special equipment?
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Post by aroxis on Aug 22, 2014 21:26:49 GMT
Well most high wizard use dragonwet bangle slotted which they get for free from main quest so DONT DISPOSE IT :3
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