aroxis
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Post by aroxis on Jan 21, 2014 21:35:57 GMT
If everyone just says that the best build is your own build, then whats the point of this forum? Anywho, you would have better damage and defence at lvl 100 if you capped INT using a magic sword and added vit or crt. LMAO tilt >_> lets not start this again pls. You would NOT have better dmg with int at that lvl. As a matter of fact you would have less dmg than a max str samurai wieling tengu then would a max int samurai. Am I right or no?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2014 23:17:10 GMT
if it doesn't seem to work or sound so in the beginning, trust what your thought brings you. my little opinion is not based on single player farming so in my case, i have somebody to heal & tank so i forget survival and go all out on damage. different play style require different perspective. Hmm...so mean lvl 100 u got 310 stat point (10 point free at lvl 1, 1 lvl up 3 point) Based on ur opinion: str: 256 agi: 28 crt: 27 ermm how was it? Good? as a samurai, all those stat will increase your attack. if it suit your playing style i guess that's fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 0:08:13 GMT
If everyone just says that the best build is your own build, then whats the point of this forum? Anywho, you would have better damage and defence at lvl 100 if you capped INT using a magic sword and added vit or crt. LMAO tilt >_> lets not start this again pls. You would NOT have better dmg with int at that lvl. As a matter of fact you would have less dmg than a max str samurai wieling tengu then would a max int samurai. Am I right or no? lol read my post again at lvl 100 you can have max int. max int with a magic sword is stronger than 145 str with a normal sword. at the same time, he could hold up better defensively because he does want defense, which is why he added int in the first place. Idk where you got max str from either. his build has 145str and wants def. why not build the stat with atk and defense in one cap? and how did i start something??? im not allowed to post what i think like the topic asks?
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aroxis
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Post by aroxis on Jan 22, 2014 0:45:27 GMT
LMAO tilt >_> lets not start this again pls. You would NOT have better dmg with int at that lvl. As a matter of fact you would have less dmg than? asks? Forget his idea. What I'm talking about is that max int build u keep going on about >_> str would give more base dmg while int wouldn't. I hope u know that people aren't looking for def build samurai, they are looking for 100k cri not resistance to magic. If you were to pt a high wizard and u were looking for dmg but he had a int/vit build. That vit is just giving him a false sense of survivability. So if a samurai wants an int build let him have it. I honestly don't think its bad at all but all I'm saying is that str/dex sacrifice survivability for dmg, while int/dex sacrifice. Dmg for survivability.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 1:29:32 GMT
Forget his idea. What I'm talking about is that max int build u keep going on about >_> str would give more base dmg while int wouldn't. I hope u know that people aren't looking for def build samurai, they are looking for 100k cri not resistance to magic. If you were to pt a high wizard and u were looking for dmg but he had a int/vit build. That vit is just giving him a false sense of survivability. So if a samurai wants an int build let him have it. I honestly don't think its bad at all but all I'm saying is that str/dex sacrifice survivability for dmg, while int/dex sacrifice. Dmg for survivability. in this case, i apologise for saying that a str build is weaker than an int build and for reccomending defense when the topic starter wanted a pure damage build.
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Post by MiLiGRiTo on Jan 22, 2014 1:59:01 GMT
I really think that the purpose of a samurai in a boss grind is to come in and give one good blow to end the fight. This saves the party from enduring boss rages for too long. And anyway we all know that a prolonged fight is a dangerous fight anyway.
We come to a point where simple boss fights no longer require all three Tank/Bishop/Wiz as staple. I've seen variations like bishop 3x dps or tank 3x dps or tank wiz 2x dps, etc. they sustain long grinds just because they are effective. And sometimes they don't need mp from wiz or healing from bishop since a >30second grind becomes a <10seconds grind. If you fall short in tanking, or fall short in healing or fall short in dps, you end up kicking one of your buddies to replace (or disbanding) when it wouldn't have been necessary in the first place.
My pally once paired up with an app. bishop to grind Ganei and he said: "Oh good, a sam that can tank". I said: "No, I am pally". Then he covers up and says: "Oh. good damage." Seriously, I think he had seen to many samurai with low DPS.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 22, 2014 3:02:22 GMT
LMAO tilt >_> lets not start this again pls. You would NOT have better dmg with int at that lvl. As a matter of fact you would have less dmg than a max str samurai wieling tengu then would a max int samurai. Am I right or no? lol read my post again at lvl 100 you can have max int. max int with a magic sword is stronger than 145 str with a normal sword. at the same time, he could hold up better defensively because he does want defense, which is why he added int in the first place. Idk where you got max str from either. his build has 145str and wants def. why not build the stat with atk and defense in one cap? and how did i start something??? im not allowed to post what i think like the topic asks? ok stop the basic thinking both of you. this is not pointing to either of you two but Iruna latest city is not kleya anymore so cut that out. please think further. high damage is so yesterday. think about your ability to do physical penetration & magical penetration. your 20k damage with 400 crit is useless if your base attack is lower than 900 for example. you cant even kill fg am i wrong?
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Senpai
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Post by Senpai on Jan 23, 2014 12:24:34 GMT
lol read my post again at lvl 100 you can have max int. max int with a magic sword is stronger than 145 str with a normal sword. at the same time, he could hold up better defensively because he does want defense, which is why he added int in the first place. Idk where you got max str from either. his build has 145str and wants def. why not build the stat with atk and defense in one cap? and how did i start something??? im not allowed to post what i think like the topic asks? ok stop the basic thinking both of you. this is not pointing to either of you two but Iruna latest city is not kleya anymore so cut that out. please think further. high damage is so yesterday. think about your ability to do physical penetration & magical penetration. your 20k damage with 400 crit is useless if your base attack is lower than 900 for example. you cant even kill fg am i wrong? . To be able to penetrate that def barrier you NEED high damage = ATK. For which you would probably need max str with a red tengu, add shiroito, horn helm up. Slot that stuff with BC for the hell of it and enjoy your damage. As for the int build. I think you could use dear espada with DPR rest auto skill set or an HP set, with either HP xtals or more sandwurm. In my opinion both builds will need either high def/mdef and HP. My guess is you could go for a str/vit build, which with an Edel hood allows you to tank, or be near the aoe magic damage without having to die every 2 secs and rebuffing. Mind you this build will only really be effective 160+, but hey samurai are most effective when they get supernatural. As for set they could use shiroito/Edel hood/red tengu
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Senpai
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Post by Senpai on Jan 23, 2014 12:41:54 GMT
Also correct me if I'm wrong in any aspect, this is what I think based on things I picked up and my own knowledge, which can be wrong, but yeah. Everyone makes mistakes ^^;
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Post by Senpai on Jan 23, 2014 12:53:26 GMT
Forgot to add that for the str/vit build you start off with special sword "Katbalger" slotted with mino, and go standard max vit first build and be a paladin. Using info based on my current paladin your atk is 948-ish at max vit/137 agi. Mind you I am not using any atk+ gear nor mino xtal, just warcry. My set carries 4 piton xtals and gives me 33k HP.
So with that info you could use Katz(*mino)/shiroito(piton?)/edel hood(piton)/gaunt+ or the -5% matk +5% m res bangle slotted with piton should give you 1k+ atk and 25k+ HP at lvl 128. (Not sure how the transition to samurai will affect this)
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 12:58:32 GMT
ok stop the basic thinking both of you. this is not pointing to either of you two but Iruna latest city is not kleya anymore so cut that out. please think further. high damage is so yesterday. think about your ability to do physical penetration & magical penetration. your 20k damage with 400 crit is useless if your base attack is lower than 900 for example. you cant even kill fg am i wrong? . To be able to penetrate that def barrier you NEED high damage = ATK. For which you would probably need max str with a red tengu, add shiroito, horn helm up. Slot that stuff with BC for the hell of it and enjoy your damage. As for the int build. I think you could use dear espada with DPR rest auto skill set or an HP set, with either HP xtals or more sandwurm. In my opinion both builds will need either high def/mdef and HP. My guess is you could go for a str/vit build, which with an Edel hood allows you to tank, or be near the aoe magic damage without having to die every 2 secs and rebuffing. Mind you this build will only really be effective 160+, but hey samurai are most effective when they get supernatural. As for set they could use shiroito/Edel hood/red tengu high attack is not equal to high damage. ATK increase physical through. high damage e.g 70k crit cant do a single damage if you base ATK is low. maybe 2 crit damage which doesn't do anything.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 13:05:49 GMT
you can be both barrier smasher & damage dealer but if you focus on just 1 of any, you'll be darn good at it. both & you'll even out both so both performs average.
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Senpai
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Post by Senpai on Jan 23, 2014 13:15:49 GMT
you can be both barrier smasher & damage dealer but if you focus on just 1 of any, you'll be darn good at it. both & you'll even out both so both performs average. Mind you my builds disregard the prior "400 crit" discussion. Let's look at it like this. My builds focus on being able to deal that high damage without worrying about the barriers. At 256 vit/ 137 str (or 87 str/50crit) = lvl 128 you'd have 1k+ atk from Katz(mino) and the str, with 128/178 crit from samurai lvl=crit ability You'd still be able to do amazing damage without having to worry about def barriers.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2014 13:43:48 GMT
With what I have so far, his atk is 1124 at lvl 93 unbuffed, and his def is 611 unbuffed with 15k hp. I was able to solo Agoracanth and Schlingel at lvl 71 and 73. but my gear is different from what you're saying. I've also decided to go pally before samurai.
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Senpai
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Post by Senpai on Jan 23, 2014 13:48:51 GMT
With what I have so far, his atk is 1124 at lvl 93 unbuffed, and his def is 611 unbuffed with 15k hp. I was able to solo Agoracanth and Schlingel at lvl 71 and 73. but my gear is different from what you're saying. I've also decided to go pally before samurai. Mind telling us your stats/gear/xtals/class if you don't mind. Would allow me to experiment further with what this thread has
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