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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 13:19:25 GMT
I know it's not fair between staff vs sword. But we are talking about dps here. The highest and most consistant damage will kill a roche the fastest. Please tell me how fast you can kill 1 roche with and without spell boost you missed a point which tip the sword build scale in an unfair way. dps with highest most consistent damage is the best BUT, *by killing megaroche which hit hard, cane build will struggle to recast stoneskin while sword build dont bother much about it. that makes sword kill quicker even cane deal such high and consistent damage. because we cane users are truly and 100% dps. if we take damage, we have to recast stoneskin which affect killing time. its like comparing paladin hard hit with sniper arrow rain. sniper deals far superior but die because they are not made to survive.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 13:23:48 GMT
btw, me, paired with around level 160 ninja kills megaroche in a bit over 1 minute. 1m 4s up to 1m 15s depend on how luck triggers.
edited: dance of clones is not used because we both fully auto-attacking due to lack of spirit to level (lazy).
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Post by crazybrker on Jun 15, 2014 14:51:42 GMT
I get ya syerin. I just use water origin and then my drain keeps up with damage. I never go under 95% health that way. So you have to ss the whole time? An attacking class like a ninja can't be allowed in a time trial there is no way to determine dmg or time. Well how long does it take that ninja to kill it solo. We can do some math here and estimate your damage.
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Post by crazybrker on Jun 15, 2014 15:22:55 GMT
My average time is 2:01 without spell boost
Using water origin and buffing in the fight. Using dia espada/fg dragon mail/sofy crimson ribbon/sofy dragonnewt bangle/Sofy
Int 255 Vit 255 Agi 42 Dex 147 till cap
Only have 1675 matk
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Post by ManaKhe on Jun 15, 2014 19:20:46 GMT
I know it's not fair between staff vs sword. But we are talking about dps here. The highest and most consistant damage will kill a roche the fastest. Please tell me how fast you can kill 1 roche with and without spell boost aproximately i kill a roche in 2,5-3mins with sp, 4 min without it From looking at the times you posted you are killing way too slow. It's probably the Witch Knife to be honest. Sword Amulet and Dielita would do much more damage, not sure which would be higher though, most prefer Sword Amulet. Your killing speed is almost 3 times slower than what I can do on Megaroche(70 seconds with Spellboost, about 90 without it) and we have a similar level of gear.
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Post by echeyde on Jun 15, 2014 19:51:55 GMT
aproximately i kill a roche in 2,5-3mins with sp, 4 min without it From looking at the times you posted you are killing way too slow. It's probably the Witch Knife to be honest. Sword Amulet and Dielita would do much more damage, not sure which would be higher though, most prefer Sword Amulet. Your killing speed is almost 3 times slower than what I can do on Megaroche(70 seconds with Spellboost, about 90 without it) and we have a similar level of gear. i try much combinations but the witch knife with m amp is the more fast killing. Have dia espada kaiser, sword amulet, dielita, flabellum II,etc but dont have more atk.
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Post by ManaKhe on Jun 15, 2014 20:12:25 GMT
From looking at the times you posted you are killing way too slow. It's probably the Witch Knife to be honest. Sword Amulet and Dielita would do much more damage, not sure which would be higher though, most prefer Sword Amulet. Your killing speed is almost 3 times slower than what I can do on Megaroche(70 seconds with Spellboost, about 90 without it) and we have a similar level of gear. i try much combinations but the witch knife with m amp is the more fast killing. Have dia espada kaiser, sword amulet, dielita, flabellum II,etc but dont have more atk. ATK doesn't matter at all for a DEX Enchanter. It's a nifty boost in damage but it isn't something you even need to pay attention to really. Sword Amulet will have a good bit more MATK than Witch Knife anyways. You also don't necessarily want to choose your gear based on what gives the highest MATK. MATK does matter, but you actual equips should be focused on autoskills, while Xtals are focused on MATK. Witch Knife has an autoskill but it is the worst option amongst Enchanter weapons. Mana Wave and autoskill +% are a lot better. Witch Knife and Flabellum are meant for CRT builds, which are the only ones who want to worry about ATK.
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Post by echeyde on Jun 15, 2014 21:45:51 GMT
i try much combinations but the witch knife with m amp is the more fast killing. Have dia espada kaiser, sword amulet, dielita, flabellum II,etc but dont have more atk. ATK doesn't matter at all for a DEX Enchanter. It's a nifty boost in damage but it isn't something you even need to pay attention to really. Sword Amulet will have a good bit more MATK than Witch Knife anyways. You also don't necessarily want to choose your gear based on what gives the highest MATK. MATK does matter, but you actual equips should be focused on autoskills, while Xtals are focused on MATK. Witch Knife has an autoskill but it is the worst option amongst Enchanter weapons. Mana Wave and autoskill +% are a lot better. Witch Knife and Flabellum are meant for CRT builds, which are the only ones who want to worry about ATK. Sorry Manakhe, I wanted to say dmg, not atk. I am really confused. Of everything what I have proved I think that I do more dmg with witch knife, but only for the sp and dia espada/sword amulet offer a very constant dmg but insificient. I do not have my equipment not clear at all to do more dmg. I am very far from the dmg that you do. Have I a problem with my equipment? With my build? Or only is it for the lvl (186)?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2014 23:24:31 GMT
i try much combinations but the witch knife with m amp is the more fast killing. Have dia espada kaiser, sword amulet, dielita, flabellum II,etc but dont have more atk. ATK doesn't matter at all for a DEX Enchanter. It's a nifty boost in damage but it isn't something you even need to pay attention to really. Sword Amulet will have a good bit more MATK than Witch Knife anyways. You also don't necessarily want to choose your gear based on what gives the highest MATK. MATK does matter, but you actual equips should be focused on autoskills, while Xtals are focused on MATK. Witch Knife has an autoskill but it is the worst option amongst Enchanter weapons. Mana Wave and autoskill +% are a lot better. Witch Knife and Flabellum are meant for CRT builds, which are the only ones who want to worry about ATK. witch knife autos is additional attack. not twice attack. even with crt, witch knife still deal the same damage. you need str instead.
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Post by ManaKhe on Jun 16, 2014 2:11:40 GMT
ATK doesn't matter at all for a DEX Enchanter. It's a nifty boost in damage but it isn't something you even need to pay attention to really. Sword Amulet will have a good bit more MATK than Witch Knife anyways. You also don't necessarily want to choose your gear based on what gives the highest MATK. MATK does matter, but you actual equips should be focused on autoskills, while Xtals are focused on MATK. Witch Knife has an autoskill but it is the worst option amongst Enchanter weapons. Mana Wave and autoskill +% are a lot better. Witch Knife and Flabellum are meant for CRT builds, which are the only ones who want to worry about ATK. witch knife autos is additional attack. not twice attack. even with crt, witch knife still deal the same damage. you need str instead. Oh I didn't know that. I thought it was the same as Flabellum. It just did about the same as my regular attack when I tried it haha.
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Post by ManaKhe on Jun 16, 2014 2:23:10 GMT
ATK doesn't matter at all for a DEX Enchanter. It's a nifty boost in damage but it isn't something you even need to pay attention to really. Sword Amulet will have a good bit more MATK than Witch Knife anyways. You also don't necessarily want to choose your gear based on what gives the highest MATK. MATK does matter, but you actual equips should be focused on autoskills, while Xtals are focused on MATK. Witch Knife has an autoskill but it is the worst option amongst Enchanter weapons. Mana Wave and autoskill +% are a lot better. Witch Knife and Flabellum are meant for CRT builds, which are the only ones who want to worry about ATK. Sorry Manakhe, I wanted to say dmg, not atk. I am really confused. Of everything what I have proved I think that I do more dmg with witch knife, but only for the sp and dia espada/sword amulet offer a very constant dmg but insificient. I do not have my equipment not clear at all to do more dmg. I am very far from the dmg that you do. Have I a problem with my equipment? With my build? Or only is it for the lvl (186)? Sword Amulet would actually give higher MATK than Witch Knife and autoskill +5% would help more than the additional attack Witch Knife does. Dia Espada's Mana Wave would also do way more than Witch Knife's additional attack while giving more MATK and neutral magic +10%. What I assume you mean by more damage, based on how a lot of people look at damage, is that you see bigger numbers with it. Bigger numbers are great and all but if you hit 5k with an Autoskill and I hit 3k with mine and I activate twice as many of them I will do more damage. Do you know what I mean? You could also be referring to the fact you have Spell Boost on Witch Knife, which wasn't the best choice of equipment to put it in. Usually people will put it on a junk special equip from MQ and switch between that and their normal equip, or do it with another junk equip besides special. This lets you have the extra MATK from Spell Boost and the Xtal you would normally have in that spot. Level MIGHT play a role in Autoskill Chance but this is just something people have noticed(myself included) but if it does it isn't nearly enough of a difference to make me do double your damage.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 2:47:53 GMT
i myself dont use full matk gear for killing. instead i include ciel. numbers are useful when you're pushing your own limit to know your potential but it wont help much with grinding. like ManaKhe said, autoskill also increase by level even just a tiny bit. aim for highest matk when the time comes which is when extend skill made available for us. just not today. cane build is a long-term thing. you wont find instant superiority with it. you require up to level 253 to fully cap your matk stat if you choose to just invest in matk ONLY.
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Post by Tyranull on Jun 16, 2014 4:19:49 GMT
Seeing people talk so much qbout how fast they kill megas really would embarass me, but I D G A F how slow I kill stuff. Tank enchanter ftw, I still die a lot! Gonna buy a steflys and see how good I do as dps.
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Post by crazybrker on Jun 16, 2014 5:01:41 GMT
Seeing people talk so much qbout how fast they kill megas really would embarass me, but I D G A F how slow I kill stuff. Tank enchanter ftw, I still die a lot! Gonna buy a steflys and see how good I do as dps. I feel ya, I'm Max VIT too... Can be pretty slow at times... Still better than being all DPS and cannot take 1-2 hits without dieing IMO...
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2014 5:54:01 GMT
Seeing people talk so much qbout how fast they kill megas really would embarass me, but I D G A F how slow I kill stuff. Tank enchanter ftw, I still die a lot! Gonna buy a steflys and see how good I do as dps. I feel ya, I'm Max VIT too... Can be pretty slow at times... Still better than being all DPS and cannot take 1-2 hits without dieing IMO... i sense double standard here. dps die every 1-2 hits? we take damage every 7-12 hits.
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