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Post by Done~with~forums on Apr 22, 2020 13:36:38 GMT
Would be cool in my op of you used your set but with full veleno still making you a poison assassin that fully uses it you could poison them then auto attack Yeah I also thought of this earlier as well but buying a bunch of veleno for testing would bankrupt me qwq if your up for my build I can add some small funds msg me
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Post by suzaku on Apr 22, 2020 14:53:04 GMT
Yeah I also thought of this earlier as well but buying a bunch of veleno for testing would bankrupt me qwq if your up for my build I can add some small funds msg me Thanks much appreciated but I won't be able to do much immediate testing with it. Atm I'm still doing mq as fast as possible (currently lvl 200ish) and I would be going to do the tests after comparing it with my current bs assassin build and equips atm then using stefly to try the poison build (Idk if it will be worth it or not but I'll be stuck with the build for around a month XD).
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Post by blacksheep on Apr 23, 2020 11:03:11 GMT
Also no matter what gears you use you can reach 100k cap then boost it by poison % but I believe its relative like 10% adds 10k to the base of 100k so now its 110k 100% p dmg would add 100k making it 200k The problem is that poison dmg is hard capped at 100k. Poison dmg+% anly affect your initial dmg and allow u to use less Venom Fists to reach 100k dmg per tick.
So becouse of dmg cap poison assassins are way weaker to solo boss farm then bs ones. It can be usefull il long fights when you farm with pt but you need to be able to survive long enough becouse when you die poison ends and you must apply it once again and VF it till 100k so you lost alot of dps.Also its useles on mob farm and lvling. /edit apparently after balance patch it works and its possible to overcap 100k dmg
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Post by suzaku on Apr 23, 2020 13:39:15 GMT
Also no matter what gears you use you can reach 100k cap then boost it by poison % but I believe its relative like 10% adds 10k to the base of 100k so now its 110k 100% p dmg would add 100k making it 200k The problem is that poison dmg is hard capped at 100k. Poison dmg+% anly affect your initial dmg and allow u to use less Venom Fists to reach 100k dmg per tick. So becouse of dmg cap poison assassins are way weaker to solo boss farm then bs ones. It can be usefull il long fights when you farm with pt but you need to be able to survive long enough becouse when you die poison ends and you must apply it once again and VF it till 100k so you lost alot of dps. Also its useles on mob farm and lvling. If so why does alchemist uses poison set? And why does their poison damage can reach up to 200kish?
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Post by :\ on Apr 23, 2020 13:57:16 GMT
Also no matter what gears you use you can reach 100k cap then boost it by poison % but I believe its relative like 10% adds 10k to the base of 100k so now its 110k 100% p dmg would add 100k making it 200k The problem is that poison dmg is hard capped at 100k. Poison dmg+% anly affect your initial dmg and allow u to use less Venom Fists to reach 100k dmg per tick. So becouse of dmg cap poison assassins are way weaker to solo boss farm then bs ones. It can be usefull il long fights when you farm with pt but you need to be able to survive long enough becouse when you die poison ends and you must apply it once again and VF it till 100k so you lost alot of dps. Also its useles on mob farm and lvling. proven and tested?
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Post by blacksheep on Apr 23, 2020 14:19:59 GMT
103000 dmg with Bud Ring equipped that give +3℅ dmg shows clearly that I've been wrong. Check info before you say something.
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Post by °Malice° on Apr 23, 2020 16:46:54 GMT
Highest poison dmg i ever made is 245k. Its possible dont worry. Try combine with a counter evasion from skia and deathblow.
I think poison atk needs like 8 sec s.delay. I have assassin which focus on bs (-6 sec s.delay). U might wanna make an equip set which allows u to spam poison atk in each 1 sec which is good to do the ailment on target. Some target is resistant to poison ailment and some of them kinda immune.
Ur al crysta build should be more in dmg% or survival.
Ur gameplay should be like Equipped -8 sec s.delay equip set, spam poison atk till success, next spam venom fist 4x. Then u can switch to -6 sec s.delay equip set for backstabbing play or mix of survival and dps equip set for safe play.
Have fun
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Post by suzaku on Apr 23, 2020 18:16:16 GMT
Highest poison dmg i ever made is 245k. Its possible dont worry. Try combine with a counter evasion from skia and deathblow. I think poison atk needs like 8 sec s.delay. I have assassin which focus on bs (-6 sec s.delay). U might wanna make an equip set which allows u to spam poison atk in each 1 sec which is good to do the ailment on target. Some target is resistant to poison ailment and some of them kinda immune. Ur al crysta build should be more in dmg% or survival. Ur gameplay should be like Equipped -8 sec s.delay equip set, spam poison atk till success, next spam venom fist 4x. Then u can switch to -6 sec s.delay equip set for backstabbing play or mix of survival and dps equip set for safe play. Have fun Thx for the suggestions. I kinda wanted to make this assassin have more survivability since unless asobimo rework how poison works or add more poison gears damage wise I'll still be lacking compared to bs assassins. Skill delay wise I think I'm pretty much covered since poison damage increases with int and dex. I'm now kinda confused wether if from my poison gears and al alone I can get enough evasion so that I can dump the rest of my stats on vit
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Post by Done~with~forums on Apr 23, 2020 18:25:16 GMT
Highest poison dmg i ever made is 245k. Its possible dont worry. Try combine with a counter evasion from skia and deathblow. I think poison atk needs like 8 sec s.delay. I have assassin which focus on bs (-6 sec s.delay). U might wanna make an equip set which allows u to spam poison atk in each 1 sec which is good to do the ailment on target. Some target is resistant to poison ailment and some of them kinda immune. Ur al crysta build should be more in dmg% or survival. Ur gameplay should be like Equipped -8 sec s.delay equip set, spam poison atk till success, next spam venom fist 4x. Then u can switch to -6 sec s.delay equip set for backstabbing play or mix of survival and dps equip set for safe play. Have fun Thx for the suggestions. I kinda wanted to make this assassin have more survivability since unless asobimo rework how poison works or add more poison gears damage wise I'll still be lacking compared to bs assassins. Skill delay wise I think I'm pretty much covered since poison damage increases with int and dex. I'm now kinda confused wether if from my poison gears and al alone I can get enough evasion so that I can dump the rest of my stats on vit sin with all of its buffs can easily reach 1k+ eva if you want more use all green al and evas abi to reach 1.2-1.6k
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Post by suzaku on Apr 24, 2020 9:54:54 GMT
Thx for the suggestions. I kinda wanted to make this assassin have more survivability since unless asobimo rework how poison works or add more poison gears damage wise I'll still be lacking compared to bs assassins. Skill delay wise I think I'm pretty much covered since poison damage increases with int and dex. I'm now kinda confused wether if from my poison gears and al alone I can get enough evasion so that I can dump the rest of my stats on vit sin with all of its buffs can easily reach 1k+ eva if you want more use all green al and evas abi to reach 1.2-1.6k Glad to know about that btw I also heard somewhere before that over 900 evasion is pretty much useless does this statement still hold true today? If so I'll probably gear my ai to something more atk oriented
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Post by Done~with~forums on Apr 24, 2020 10:22:09 GMT
sin with all of its buffs can easily reach 1k+ eva if you want more use all green al and evas abi to reach 1.2-1.6k Glad to know about that btw I also heard somewhere before that over 900 evasion is pretty much useless does this statement still hold true today? If so I'll probably gear my ai to something more atk oriented my monk with 700 evasion is untouchable at yarde and 3 eye with 1.2k and with 1.5k at mg(unless they use magic) 1.2k is around the sweet spot for most bosses each one has their own amount needed to evade there is no way to get 100% evasion but I highly recommend getting as much as possible and also useing vit seems like vit has a bigger max hp gain on sins I just don't like dying and its worth a bit of dmg loss instead of losing dps when you die
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Post by °Malice° on Apr 24, 2020 10:22:20 GMT
sin with all of its buffs can easily reach 1k+ eva if you want more use all green al and evas abi to reach 1.2-1.6k Glad to know about that btw I also heard somewhere before that over 900 evasion is pretty much useless does this statement still hold true today? If so I'll probably gear my ai to something more atk oriented evasion work like this This mob A need 800 evasion on u so u can evade it normal atk by chance With 1 agi + 800 eva = 80% chance to evade With 256+ agi + 800 eva = 95% chance to evade In short Agi stat affect ur success in rate in evading. Adding Agi also raise ur absolute evasion but the value is unknown. Absolute evasion is used when u evade critical patk
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Post by °Malice° on Apr 24, 2020 10:46:21 GMT
I think using normal claw is best for evasion. So u will need agi. Use dex for poison dmg. Its says poison dmg = int+dex.
Monty beret seems nice on dex dependent cuz it adds 0.75 atk by each dex. I dont think u will need high CRT stat. U only need 95 c.rate for auto atking. 270 CRT= 90 C.rate + 5 base c.rate = 95 c.rate.
Spending 270 CRT for c.rate kinda pointless better get tech abi. So those 270 stat point u can spend on dex/int/vit.
So ur equip set after poison atk and venom fist should be alacran, .tgarb iniliba, monty raton/seele zauga and spec sbs of ur choice wether u wanna it be tanky or more into dps.
The stat should be agi for base dmg of claw, dex and int for ur poison dmg, vit so u can be more tanky and str for more dps in auto atking.
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Post by Loftyz47 on Apr 24, 2020 11:01:08 GMT
The problem is that poison dmg is hard capped at 100k. Poison dmg+% anly affect your initial dmg and allow u to use less Venom Fists to reach 100k dmg per tick. So becouse of dmg cap poison assassins are way weaker to solo boss farm then bs ones. It can be usefull il long fights when you farm with pt but you need to be able to survive long enough becouse when you die poison ends and you must apply it once again and VF it till 100k so you lost alot of dps. Also its useles on mob farm and lvling. If so why does alchemist uses poison set? And why does their poison damage can reach up to 200kish? alchemist is completely different, & uncapped. raising poison bomb skill level, INT, DEX, alchemy level & character level will increase the base poison damage of alchemist's poison skill; and then any poison+% will apply mulitplicatively to the base amount. the base amount of Sin's poison skill is capped at 100k, with poison+% applying multiplicatively to that. asobimo is trying to make Sin & Monk's poison better by giving them gear with ridiculous amounts of poison+%, but it's not that great tbh.
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Post by Done~with~forums on Apr 24, 2020 11:40:49 GMT
If so why does alchemist uses poison set? And why does their poison damage can reach up to 200kish? alchemist is completely different, & uncapped. raising poison bomb skill level, INT, DEX, alchemy level & character level will increase the base poison damage of alchemist's poison skill; and then any poison+% will apply mulitplicatively to the base amount. the base amount of Sin's poison skill is capped at 100k, with poison+% applying multiplicatively to that. asobimo is trying to make Sin & Monk's poison better by giving them gear with ridiculous amounts of poison+%, but it's not that great tbh. my claw has 500% p dmg and it only does about 8k dmg per tick haha
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