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Post by Aza on May 22, 2020 5:39:57 GMT
Wouldn't luna count as neutral element? Well yes Luna is neutral. Still it's surprising to me. Let's breakdown the stat: Inslector+9 Scorpia, Base atk : 290*1.83 Normal sword atk : 190*3+461*1 On stat screen, my atk is 13834 Plus melee to neutral+35%, crt dmg+7% Fudo Myoo+9 Scorpia, with Myrica Base atk : 305*1.83 Special sword atk : 464*2+461*1.5+190*1 On stat screen, my atk is 17398 Plus melee to neutral+10% I also tried another ele sword (Mistia Ninigi, Demon Axe2 Halios, Mirror Sword FST Agni, Emerald Roar II Sauro2 and Himetsuru Ichimonji Sturm) and they deal a bit lower than Outrange Sauro2, except Himetsuru Ichimonji Sturm and Emerald Roar II Sauro2. I expect Demon Axe2 Halios would do better but it seems that crt dmg-20% means a lot.. Based on this I think element dmg is highly affecting samu dmg and adding raw atk is waay less important.
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Post by mcserg on May 22, 2020 5:54:03 GMT
Wouldn't luna count as neutral element? Well yes Luna is neutral. Still it's surprising to me. Let's breakdown the stat: Inslector+9 Scorpia, Base atk : 290*1.83 Normal sword atk : 190*3+461*1 On stat screen, my atk is 13834 Plus melee to neutral+35%, crt dmg+7% Fudo Myoo+9 Scorpia, with Myrica Base atk : 305*1.83 Special sword atk : 464*2+461*1.5+190*1 On stat screen, my atk is 17398 Plus melee to neutral+10% I also tried another ele sword (Mistia Ninigi, Demon Axe2 Halios, Mirror Sword FST Agni, Emerald Roar II Sauro2 and Himetsuru Ichimonji Sturm) and they deal a bit lower than Outrange Sauro2, except Himetsuru Ichimonji Sturm and Emerald Roar II Sauro2. I expect Demon Axe2 Halios would do better but it seems that crt dmg-20% means a lot.. Based on this I think element dmg is highly affecting samu dmg and adding raw atk is waay less important. Hard to compete against elemental in general even balmung didnt win against elemental swords
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Post by comraby on May 24, 2020 1:51:42 GMT
sorry out of topic, is it possible to make instan cast fs?
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Post by Aza on May 24, 2020 16:27:41 GMT
sorry out of topic, is it possible to make instan cast fs? Afaik the cast speed of fs is fixed at 1 sec.
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Post by bigpp on Jul 4, 2020 17:58:41 GMT
hey im new on samurai and i want to make samu auto
my stat agi>dex>str>vit(150) all stat 350
my ai ouvel,sau2,shelk,zazel i use purple line for auto
equip masashin sau2 boo iniliba hcl lu ideaus sbs telon wyn
thats my build but its suck and always die for solo bossing i try use veleno buid too but its same should i change my samu to spammer/fs or change my eq/stats
ty
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Post by ifron on Jul 4, 2020 19:10:31 GMT
hey im new on samurai and i want to make samu auto my stat agi>dex>str>vit(150) all stat 350 my ai ouvel,sau2,shelk,zazel i use purple line for auto equip masashin sau2 boo iniliba hcl lu ideaus sbs telon wyn thats my build but its suck and always die for solo bossing i try use veleno buid too but its same should i change my samu to spammer/fs or change my eq/stats ty spammer and fs same build different equips however that wouldn't really change ur survival, what's ur evasion? Maybe u need more autoskill like abis
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Post by ifron on Jul 4, 2020 19:15:31 GMT
Also u could change zazel out for halios for more auto+% it gives 5% and and take ouvel out for another auto+% Al or vaten Al for resist and u only listed four als do u have a fifth? the fifth can be ouvel if took out or malti or gk
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Post by ifron on Jul 4, 2020 19:16:32 GMT
Also maybe try dmail lu ideaus gives 10% more autoskill and has null as well can help survival if not have auto abis
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Post by Aza on Jul 4, 2020 22:07:58 GMT
hey im new on samurai and i want to make samu auto my stat agi>dex>str>vit(150) all stat 350 my ai ouvel,sau2,shelk,zazel i use purple line for auto equip masashin sau2 boo iniliba hcl lu ideaus sbs telon wyn thats my build but its suck and always die for solo bossing i try use veleno buid too but its same should i change my samu to spammer/fs or change my eq/stats ty Adding to what Ifron has said before, If you become a skill spammer with your current stat and build, you will survive worse. I suggest you to stick to the mura build, level up more and increase your survival stat/al. For the al, if you haven't invested on rlb/blb yet, IMO it's better to change the color to green, since 6 purple line only gives 2% auto. You can have an 8 green line for max eva or 5 green+3 red or 4 green+4red. Then, try to have Sauro2, Adventurer, Shelk, Vatendeth, Halios. Shelk can be changed later to Cordal or Union Sam after you get enough evasion from AGI for 3i grind. 3i needs 1200-1300 eva. Note that negate and iniliba auto will not work if your max HP is lower than enemy dmg so increasing VIT is a must for you now. AGI too. You can worry about your dmg later and just keep leveling up. Sacrifice your DEX for VIT/AGI. But if you still missing a lot with current DEX, you should sacrifice STR. Also, I don't like Ouvel al. Keep your boo iniliba it has higher proc rate than d.mail, gives more heal for your HCB and delay for dual blow. The other route you can try is evasion, I also want to make an evasion page some day, mainly consists of Shelk, Sauro2, Adventurer. The 4th and 5th al options are Sauro3, Union Sam, Leviam, Spikeleon and Cerbera. The arm will be Ultimi/Ira/Mirror Mail AG and the weapon is Mirror AG series/Outrange/LoW. All eva abi with maybe a quick use. With high eva and some absolute/magic evasion, I think it will be a lot easier to survive with only tsubame/zanshin. A half-baked evasion won't protect you at all.
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Post by bigpp on Jul 6, 2020 4:33:58 GMT
my eva only 830 so i must sacrifice my str and increasing my VIT and change my ai to green line? vatendeth and halios i will wait for event (couse icant afford that) adventure ai i dont get that couse its old char XD or should i buy abi auto(on full eq) or eva abi?
tnx before
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Post by ifron on Jul 6, 2020 18:05:37 GMT
Nah u don't have to sacrifice str unless ur going spec build but u can increase vit bc once ur lv405 u can have max str agi dex 458 and vit 254 if apos maxed, just get auto abis on ur arm and add and accessory , try farming ep3 bosses like zazel,valtia,biflog,maelriel,wilness,barbad for spina so u can get al
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Post by ifron on Jul 6, 2020 18:07:05 GMT
Yes change ur Al's to green /yellow lines , 3g Al's down the middle and two red on the side
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Post by nambrother123 on May 14, 2021 17:23:19 GMT
Heya! I wanna share my negate spec samu.. The idea first comes from simply looking at Genius. Resistance, HP, Rc and counter on def.. OP defensive equip that happen to be a special sword. Only 2 class so far in Iruna that raise str vit dex without any need to raise crt, that is, Samurai and Paladin. Since Samurai skills look cool, I then choose Samurai to be my next project. Thanks for ppl on this forum for their guidance without them my samu will be crap dealing half dmg all the time e.e Without further ado, here's my build. I wrote my stat somewhere else but I'll write again here XD Stat-build:VIT max DEX max AGI max STR any left-over Glb 100 Al: Minela/Cordal, Halios, Adventurer, Sauro2, Vatendeth 5 green 3 yellow. Relic: Melee+1%, Eisen, Holtes (unreleased), Nejua(on some occasion) Why VIT/DEX/AGI/STR?:VIT: Increase 2 ATK, Max HP, Def, M.Def, Ukenagashi proc rate and dmg reduction rate, Mental Clarity duration, thickness and damage boost. DEX: Increase 1.5 ATK, reduce delay, increase Ukenagashi dmg reduction rate and accuracy (increase the chance of Finishing Stroke to deal full damage). AGI: Increase 1.2 ATK, evasion, Ukenagashi proc rate and dmg reduction rate. Easier to utilize Tsubame Gaeshi (you don't have to cast Tsubame often). STR: Increase 1 ATK and Ukenagashi dmg reduction rate. Comments on VIT/DEX/STR build:I've been asked a few times regarding no AGI build and to me It's possible build with higher damage because of the ability to use elemental sword better. Samurai is a dps class so people are looking at how much dmg you can dealt. The ability to use Sauro Blade L5/6 is also nice to have.
No AGI build means little evasion (except you use the absolute/magic evasion equips). This can be both good and bad. The good thing is your autoskill on def will be triggered more often. Brave shield will often clear your ailment and you get healed often via double negate. The bad thing is your negate autoskill are often challenged and if you have low autoskill rate you will die often. Weak to hp delete boss and Tsubame is useless most of the time. Also, the damage difference between VIT/DEX/AGI build is small since Samurai base ATK is mostly gained via Katana Mastery which increase 5-6 ATK per lvl The Sets:1.)Two/Triple negate set: A must have. Aimed at triggering negate often enough while meeting delay requirement, maxHP, MP and some dmg. Zanshin and Shippu is mandatory. No tsubame is required.
The set typically contains a mix of Genius, Dragon Mail/Schwermer, Ensis/Blue Epaulete/Luna Epaulete. Keep in mind that sd needed to spam Issen is -3s. With Zanshin on, you need -2s.
Example: Genius◇Frederico/Sauro2☆RC4 Schwermer LU◇Bg.Cordal☆Auto3, Monty◇Mr.Ori/Elements/Pole/Rudolf☆Auto4 Accessories☆Auto5 Myrica◇Mr.Ori☆RC5/Auto2
2.)Single negate set: This is the 2nd must have. Actually if you are already using d.mail/schwermer, you only need to change the sword and additional to give better damage. Used on anything else that doesn't hit hard. This will be your main damage set for a long time.
Example: Bastion◇Sauro2 D.mail LU◇Bg Cordal☆Auto3 Monty◇Mr Ori/Elements☆Auto4 Acc☆Auto5 Myrica◇Mr.ori☆Auto2
(2/6/2020) If you're high level and have enough delay, you can use Elemental Normal Sword too! Mostly we use same ele sword as Gladi/Bk, except for Wind Sword, Himetsuru Ichimonji is the best instead of Sea Breeze II.
3.)Union Sam Set: (7/3/2020)Now I'm using 3 ◇Union Sam. I can still get somewhat okay Autoskill rate by attaching ◇Telon to Myrica. ◇Telon +delay is covered by ◇Union Sam. The set also allows me to use all of Spec. Sword currently in Iruna. Firepower is raised because Bg.Cordal is changed to Union Sam and because the ability to wear better dmg sword (Fudo Myoo Sword and Mirror Series).
Mirror Sword SAG◇Sauro2 D.mail LU◇Union Sam☆Auto3 Lava Guard Up◇Union Sam◇Union Sam☆Auto4 Acc☆Auto5 Myrica◇Telon☆Auto5
The above set outbeats set no.2 which use Monty Element, but not too much. Autoskill rate calculation: Example 1: Mirror Sword SAG◇Sauro2 +5% Dragon Mail◇Union Sam +8% Lava Guard 2×◇Union Sam+6% Myrica◇Telon +5% Auto abi 5432 +14% Shippu +10% Al (Halios, Sauro2, Adventurer) +9%
Total auto rate: 57%
Some sources state that Genius proc rate is around 5% while D.mail is around 10%. So by using Mirror Sword SAG I will proc D.mail auto at 67% chance.
With this set I have around 100k HP. The set is pretty good if dmg received is mostly under 50k. Most bosses/rare bosses under Joshuca is soloable
Example 2: Genius◇Frederico +5% Dragon Mail◇Union Sam +8% Lava Guard 2×◇Union Sam+6% Myrica◇Telon +5% Auto abi 5432 +14% Shippu +10% Al (Halios, Sauro2, Adventurer) +9%
When using Genius Frederico, D.mail auto will proc at 69% chance and Genius: 64% chance. Chance to proc both: 44.6%, chance to proc one of them: 88.8%
In my experience so far that's not enough against Mish. Death always happen when no auto proc and then my HP falls below negate activating condition. The next hit I receive is fatal. The only way to get around this so far is to use tsubame and drink hp pots. But on other boss, the set is flawless
Pros&Cons Pros: 1. High survivability against boss that doesn't delete your HP below negate activating HP. Higher survivability than usual spec samu build. Even against HP delete boss, I still have evasion. It's tougher than VIT/DEX/STR build. 2. Lower HP pots consumption than other Issen spam Samurai build. You can safely farm with T.revitas/Onigiri in most cases. 3. Your hands are free of tsubame. Tsubame is required only on HP delete boss and certain tricky situation. 4. Mental clarity duration and effectiveness is increased. Mental clarity duration becomes 25 sec and is able to endure a lot of dmg. 5. Huge MP pool thanks to Dragon Mail. To replenish MP, you just have to switch to MP set and eat dango.
Cons: 1. Dps drop when faced with buff delete boss. I have to buff zanshin, absolute clarity, supernatural, mental and shippu. Buffing mental is risky. But you can always ignore shippu and just kill the boss quickly before it kills you. 2. Samurai is basically a heavy pots-chugging class. My build only lessen the need to drink pots, but still need a huge ton of it. 3. Lower dmg than VIT/DEX/STR. Waay lower than STR/DEX/AGI/VIT samu like 400-600k dmg diff on FS 4. Weak to burn. Solution: Consumables. 5. Slow item delay sometimes is annoying. Solution: Mirror Sword SS and item delay al/relic. 6. Weak to rate cut attacks. Solution: Rc abis, al, relic, changing myrica to another spec Performance: Solo vs. Nejua
Solo vs. Wizard
Solo vs. S350
Solo vs. Mish
Solo vs. Oswald, Eisen, Luchectus
Solo vs. Angenger (no negate eq)
That's all I hope you can enjoy the awesomeness of spec samu xD
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Post by ≧▽≦Pipopapo on May 15, 2021 4:05:15 GMT
Heya! I wanna share my negate spec samu.. The idea first comes from simply looking at Genius. Resistance, HP, Rc and counter on def.. OP defensive equip that happen to be a special sword. Only 2 class so far in Iruna that raise str vit dex without any need to raise crt, that is, Samurai and Paladin. Since Samurai skills look cool, I then choose Samurai to be my next project. Thanks for ppl on this forum for their guidance without them my samu will be crap dealing half dmg all the time e.e Without further ado, here's my build. I wrote my stat somewhere else but I'll write again here XD Stat-build:VIT max DEX max AGI max STR any left-over Glb 100 Al: Minela/Cordal, Halios, Adventurer, Sauro2, Vatendeth 5 green 3 yellow. Relic: Melee+1%, Eisen, Holtes (unreleased), Nejua(on some occasion) Why VIT/DEX/AGI/STR?:VIT: Increase 2 ATK, Max HP, Def, M.Def, Ukenagashi proc rate and dmg reduction rate, Mental Clarity duration, thickness and damage boost. DEX: Increase 1.5 ATK, reduce delay, increase Ukenagashi dmg reduction rate and accuracy (increase the chance of Finishing Stroke to deal full damage). AGI: Increase 1.2 ATK, evasion, Ukenagashi proc rate and dmg reduction rate. Easier to utilize Tsubame Gaeshi (you don't have to cast Tsubame often). STR: Increase 1 ATK and Ukenagashi dmg reduction rate. Comments on VIT/DEX/STR build:I've been asked a few times regarding no AGI build and to me It's possible build with higher damage because of the ability to use elemental sword better. Samurai is a dps class so people are looking at how much dmg you can dealt. The ability to use Sauro Blade L5/6 is also nice to have.
No AGI build means little evasion (except you use the absolute/magic evasion equips). This can be both good and bad. The good thing is your autoskill on def will be triggered more often. Brave shield will often clear your ailment and you get healed often via double negate. The bad thing is your negate autoskill are often challenged and if you have low autoskill rate you will die often. Weak to hp delete boss and Tsubame is useless most of the time. Also, the damage difference between VIT/DEX/AGI build is small since Samurai base ATK is mostly gained via Katana Mastery which increase 5-6 ATK per lvl The Sets:1.)Two/Triple negate set: A must have. Aimed at triggering negate often enough while meeting delay requirement, maxHP, MP and some dmg. Zanshin and Shippu is mandatory. No tsubame is required.
The set typically contains a mix of Genius, Dragon Mail/Schwermer, Ensis/Blue Epaulete/Luna Epaulete. Keep in mind that sd needed to spam Issen is -3s. With Zanshin on, you need -2s.
Example: Genius◇Frederico/Sauro2☆RC4 Schwermer LU◇Bg.Cordal☆Auto3, Monty◇Mr.Ori/Elements/Pole/Rudolf☆Auto4 Accessories☆Auto5 Myrica◇Mr.Ori☆RC5/Auto2
2.)Single negate set: This is the 2nd must have. Actually if you are already using d.mail/schwermer, you only need to change the sword and additional to give better damage. Used on anything else that doesn't hit hard. This will be your main damage set for a long time.
Example: Bastion◇Sauro2 D.mail LU◇Bg Cordal☆Auto3 Monty◇Mr Ori/Elements☆Auto4 Acc☆Auto5 Myrica◇Mr.ori☆Auto2
(2/6/2020) If you're high level and have enough delay, you can use Elemental Normal Sword too! Mostly we use same ele sword as Gladi/Bk, except for Wind Sword, Himetsuru Ichimonji is the best instead of Sea Breeze II.
3.)Union Sam Set: (7/3/2020)Now I'm using 3 ◇Union Sam. I can still get somewhat okay Autoskill rate by attaching ◇Telon to Myrica. ◇Telon +delay is covered by ◇Union Sam. The set also allows me to use all of Spec. Sword currently in Iruna. Firepower is raised because Bg.Cordal is changed to Union Sam and because the ability to wear better dmg sword (Fudo Myoo Sword and Mirror Series).
Mirror Sword SAG◇Sauro2 D.mail LU◇Union Sam☆Auto3 Lava Guard Up◇Union Sam◇Union Sam☆Auto4 Acc☆Auto5 Myrica◇Telon☆Auto5
The above set outbeats set no.2 which use Monty Element, but not too much. Autoskill rate calculation: Example 1: Mirror Sword SAG◇Sauro2 +5% Dragon Mail◇Union Sam +8% Lava Guard 2×◇Union Sam+6% Myrica◇Telon +5% Auto abi 5432 +14% Shippu +10% Al (Halios, Sauro2, Adventurer) +9%
Total auto rate: 57%
Some sources state that Genius proc rate is around 5% while D.mail is around 10%. So by using Mirror Sword SAG I will proc D.mail auto at 67% chance.
With this set I have around 100k HP. The set is pretty good if dmg received is mostly under 50k. Most bosses/rare bosses under Joshuca is soloable
Example 2: Genius◇Frederico +5% Dragon Mail◇Union Sam +8% Lava Guard 2×◇Union Sam+6% Myrica◇Telon +5% Auto abi 5432 +14% Shippu +10% Al (Halios, Sauro2, Adventurer) +9%
When using Genius Frederico, D.mail auto will proc at 69% chance and Genius: 64% chance. Chance to proc both: 44.6%, chance to proc one of them: 88.8%
In my experience so far that's not enough against Mish. Death always happen when no auto proc and then my HP falls below negate activating condition. The next hit I receive is fatal. The only way to get around this so far is to use tsubame and drink hp pots. But on other boss, the set is flawless
Pros&Cons Pros: 1. High survivability against boss that doesn't delete your HP below negate activating HP. Higher survivability than usual spec samu build. Even against HP delete boss, I still have evasion. It's tougher than VIT/DEX/STR build. 2. Lower HP pots consumption than other Issen spam Samurai build. You can safely farm with T.revitas/Onigiri in most cases. 3. Your hands are free of tsubame. Tsubame is required only on HP delete boss and certain tricky situation. 4. Mental clarity duration and effectiveness is increased. Mental clarity duration becomes 25 sec and is able to endure a lot of dmg. 5. Huge MP pool thanks to Dragon Mail. To replenish MP, you just have to switch to MP set and eat dango.
Cons: 1. Dps drop when faced with buff delete boss. I have to buff zanshin, absolute clarity, supernatural, mental and shippu. Buffing mental is risky. But you can always ignore shippu and just kill the boss quickly before it kills you. 2. Samurai is basically a heavy pots-chugging class. My build only lessen the need to drink pots, but still need a huge ton of it. 3. Lower dmg than VIT/DEX/STR. Waay lower than STR/DEX/AGI/VIT samu like 400-600k dmg diff on FS 4. Weak to burn. Solution: Consumables. 5. Slow item delay sometimes is annoying. Solution: Mirror Sword SS and item delay al/relic. 6. Weak to rate cut attacks. Solution: Rc abis, al, relic, changing myrica to another spec Performance: Solo vs. Nejua
Solo vs. Wizard
Solo vs. S350
Solo vs. Mish
Solo vs. Oswald, Eisen, Luchectus
Solo vs. Angenger (no negate eq)
That's all I hope you can enjoy the awesomeness of spec samu xD Failed quote?
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