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Post by McPoopNugget on Nov 13, 2019 5:58:16 GMT
So, 320 and 340 skills have been out for a while, but I just wanted to know who's playing what type of beast knight now. Veleno Rosa sets (which I don't understand xD), Sword types, Claw types, and Autoskill types. I'm sure there's more, feel free to list any that I don't mention. With all BK skills, everything varies a lot; especially because of the bleed that black rose chakram takes good advantage of.
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Post by NightBreeze on Nov 13, 2019 20:03:34 GMT
I'm playing a normal sword (can also use special claw) STR-DEX-CRT-VIT skill spammer beast knight.
In my opinion other builds are not as efficient. With top gear/xtals you could reach 300-400k impact blow while having amazing survival.
Claw builds are a joke compared to a monk. Bleed can do 48k with blood nail, with black rose chakram that's 57600. Not much of an improvement I'd say.
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Post by Sensho on Nov 14, 2019 0:40:32 GMT
My BK is Sp.Claw Build that I plan to balance for all claw
STR-CRT-VIT-(eventually)AGI
I get 50k per tyrant @180 rn so I only have the first 3 stats @256
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Post by ranska on Nov 15, 2019 22:40:26 GMT
Same than NightBreeze, sword build, str dex crt vit. I can still use spec claw for fun.
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Post by Owe on Nov 18, 2019 2:01:10 GMT
I’m a normal claw type. To me it’s more fun oriented than hardcore oriented for sure. But between the EVA you get from upping Agi and the absolute/magic evasion from our skills, you’re very hard to kill. Also being able to auto attack for farming is nice since we have no way of regenerating mp quickly.
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Enchanter, Beast Knight, Necromancer, Alchemist, Minstrel
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Post by daz_ on Nov 30, 2019 17:46:57 GMT
i use Def-Counter auto Special Claw build, solo everything, but not recommended in pt.. cuz i chose this to full solo, idc party except in exp event like now xD
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2020 15:03:18 GMT
I used the standard Impact Blow skill-spamming Beast Knight build (max STR, high DEX, max CRT, & some VIT). This skill-spamming build lets me use either normal swords or special claws. I can also use Rapid Fang skill for fun too.
Any build is fine depending on the individual player's gameplay style.
Sure, normal claw build (needs some AGI to reach max attack speed) usually deals low damage, but if you have fun as a normal claw or auto Beast Knight then that's all it matters.
I am certain that Beast Slash and Tyrant Edge skills do Not crit, so you could do a CRT-less, special sword build (like in the good, old days) that focuses on Fear Howl+Tyrant Edge combo; however, keep in mind that relying heavily on Tyrant Edge skill alone is going to make your overall survivability suffer due to Tyrant Edge skill's hp recoil.
[Side Note: I don't exactly remember, but I think Fear Howl has a tiny AoE range while Tyrant Edge is a PT AoE skill which is somewhat useful for grinding. In addition, I think Tyrant Edge ignores enemies' defense.]
Therefore, I think that all (except special sword users) current Beast Knights should have high stat in CRT for Rapid Fang, Impact Blow, and Cross Fang skills (I'm sure Cross Fang can crit sometimes).
Plus, CRT stat should help Bite passive to proc more often.
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Post by Aza on Apr 9, 2020 22:59:12 GMT
I also have standard sword BK with SDC build. After the release of Union Sam Xtal, I wanted to change my build to SAC but don't have money to test things lol I got bored farming.
Bk is the only evasion tank in iruna thanks to alleviation, fear howl and tyrant edge. By using U.sam you can cast howl-tyrant quickly and then back to spam other skills. If you can't inflict fear, the SAC build + abs.eva/mag.eva 95% will take care of it. I think it's good in my paper. The only problem is MP and item delay.
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Post by Owe on Apr 13, 2020 17:11:38 GMT
I also have standard sword BK with SDC build. After the release of Union Sam Xtal, I wanted to change my build to SAC but don't have money to test things lol I got bored farming. Bk is the only evasion tank in iruna thanks to alleviation, fear howl and tyrant edge. By using U.sam you can cast howl-tyrant quickly and then back to spam other skills. If you can't inflict fear, the SAC build + abs.eva/mag.eva 95% will take care of it. I think it's good in my paper. The only problem is MP and item delay. I’m convinced that evasion tank is the best way to play bk as. I haven’t seen a way to completely reach 95% abs/mag eva while keeping dmg up, but I’ve been able to achieve around 85% for both while having 73% physical res and 53% magic res. So for physical attacks (a bulk of the game) a mob/boss will have to get through my normal eva stat AND my abs eva to hit me, and as you said with howl and tyrant edge we get a normal eva buff with fear AND A CLONE. If they do eventually hit your clone, and then hit you again before recasting (unlikely... remember, they only have a 15% chance if hitting you and that doesn’t include your normal evasion), you still have 73% melee res and knight class hp levels to fall back on. Magic is a little more brutal because normal eva can’t evade, that said, the clone can take magic hits. Also magic parry is a thing as well. At level 3, as long as it hadn’t been used in the past 5 seconds, it will more than likely be used, giving us 95% magic res as long as our gear originally had 20% or more. I’d recommend going ahead and grabbing a special claw so you don’t have to worry about stat reset if you’re looking into switching. The only thing you won’t have is normal attack farming which sucks for MP reasons, but it has the highest atk potential, and only requires 2 stats to achieve it one of them being crt. Normal claw needs 3 stats for less atk (agi,str,crt) which wouldn’t be a problem except part of the strategy is to spam tyrant (meaning we need some dex). Special claw just makes everything fit in a nice package lol. |
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Post by ranska on Apr 13, 2020 20:01:49 GMT
I was also thinking to try spec claw bk using purity claw sauroII, boo iniliba, breeze Scarf union sam, spec 2s 2x union sam. With sauro II and III AI and maybe one qc5 i m sure we can spam without any dex. Str crt agi and reste to vit. I think the damages would be little lower than sword normal sword build but the survival would be better.
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Post by mcserg on Apr 13, 2020 22:51:00 GMT
I also have standard sword BK with SDC build. After the release of Union Sam Xtal, I wanted to change my build to SAC but don't have money to test things lol I got bored farming. Bk is the only evasion tank in iruna thanks to alleviation, fear howl and tyrant edge. By using U.sam you can cast howl-tyrant quickly and then back to spam other skills. If you can't inflict fear, the SAC build + abs.eva/mag.eva 95% will take care of it. I think it's good in my paper. The only problem is MP and item delay. I’m convinced that evasion tank is the best way to play bk as. I haven’t seen a way to completely reach 95% abs/mag eva while keeping dmg up, but I’ve been able to achieve around 85% for both while having 73% physical res and 53% magic res. So for physical attacks (a bulk of the game) a mob/boss will have to get through my normal eva stat AND my abs eva to hit me, and as you said with howl and tyrant edge we get a normal eva buff with fear AND A CLONE. If they do eventually hit your clone, and then hit you again before recasting (unlikely... remember, they only have a 15% chance if hitting you and that doesn’t include your normal evasion), you still have 73% melee res and knight class hp levels to fall back on. Magic is a little more brutal because normal eva can’t evade, that said, the clone can take magic hits. Also magic parry is a thing as well. At level 3, as long as it hadn’t been used in the past 5 seconds, it will more than likely be used, giving us 95% magic res as long as our gear originally had 20% or more. I’d recommend going ahead and grabbing a special claw so you don’t have to worry about stat reset if you’re looking into switching. The only thing you won’t have is normal attack farming which sucks for MP reasons, but it has the highest atk potential, and only requires 2 stats to achieve it one of them being crt. Normal claw needs 3 stats for less atk (agi,str,crt) which wouldn’t be a problem except part of the strategy is to spam tyrant (meaning we need some dex). Special claw just makes everything fit in a nice package lol. Ive tried 95% absolute evasion and still got hit a lot more then i should have i really dont recommend going full abso/magic evasion I'll rather just do sword with boo monty and some ideaus |
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Post by Aza on Apr 13, 2020 23:40:31 GMT
I’m convinced that evasion tank is the best way to play bk as. I haven’t seen a way to completely reach 95% abs/mag eva while keeping dmg up, but I’ve been able to achieve around 85% for both while having 73% physical res and 53% magic res. So for physical attacks (a bulk of the game) a mob/boss will have to get through my normal eva stat AND my abs eva to hit me, and as you said with howl and tyrant edge we get a normal eva buff with fear AND A CLONE. If they do eventually hit your clone, and then hit you again before recasting (unlikely... remember, they only have a 15% chance if hitting you and that doesn’t include your normal evasion), you still have 73% melee res and knight class hp levels to fall back on. Magic is a little more brutal because normal eva can’t evade, that said, the clone can take magic hits. Also magic parry is a thing as well. At level 3, as long as it hadn’t been used in the past 5 seconds, it will more than likely be used, giving us 95% magic res as long as our gear originally had 20% or more. I’d recommend going ahead and grabbing a special claw so you don’t have to worry about stat reset if you’re looking into switching. The only thing you won’t have is normal attack farming which sucks for MP reasons, but it has the highest atk potential, and only requires 2 stats to achieve it one of them being crt. Normal claw needs 3 stats for less atk (agi,str,crt) which wouldn’t be a problem except part of the strategy is to spam tyrant (meaning we need some dex). Special claw just makes everything fit in a nice package lol. Yeah evasion tank is unique trait of BK. I'm thinking of using mirror ag claw, boo, arelta, hero clawer bandages, with eva abis and eva als. It can achieve 95%. There are some other variation tho. The reason of why I'm trying to get 95 is because I have a char that can negate 70-80% of the time and in my experience is not enough. I'm still seeing my defense is breached, and getting dmg twice/thrice resulting in death quite often happen in my taste. This was tried on ep.6 boss. Maybe different story for bk since bk have innate resistance. And negate mechanic is different with eva. So I'm still considering mixing resist and eva just like you said. I figured the dmg will be low because of claw and al configuration but hey your job is tanking. I imagined I will stuck at spamming fear howl especially when partying with aggro machine like ench and sniper. Tho some ppl arent comfortable with that kind of playstyle.. |
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Post by Aza on Apr 13, 2020 23:47:42 GMT
Ive tried 95% absolute evasion and still got hit a lot more then i should have i really dont recommend going full abso/magic evasion I'll rather just do sword with boo monty and some ideaus Eh is that so? My pre rebalance hw is doing fine at 80 abs mag eva plus mirage so I'm thinking if bk could do more it's prolly better. |
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Post by Owe on Apr 14, 2020 3:37:17 GMT
Ive tried 95% absolute evasion and still got hit a lot more then i should have i really dont recommend going full abso/magic evasion I'll rather just do sword with boo monty and some ideaus Imo abs/mag eva =/= mel/mag res. If you’d get one shot with 95% eva... you’re getting one shot. Whether that’s the first hit out of 100, the 95th or the 37th. What’s more important and why I consider abs/mag eva op is how it layers with res and with other bk skills... I always think in this hypothetical. With my current res (73% melee) and eva (83% absolute) combined, if I were to switch to 95% melee res, everything else being equal (def stat, equip def, element res, etc.) would I be better off?? Just doing quick maths... One hundred 10,000 attacks before res on 95% res would be reduced to 50,000 total damage. One hundred 10,000 attacks before res on the hybrid would be reduced to around 46,000 total damage. Now this alone isn’t that much better than res, so why go through the trouble?? Well technically I could get hit 100 times in a row and be dead or I could get hit 0 times and take no dmg. The strategy is to bet on the latter and go from there. I go in get a clone and pray I don’t get hit... until I do. Again this can be the second attack they throw or the 400th, we never know... the point is that the clone keeps me safe. After I’m hit, I know that I’ve practically the same durability as 95% res until I can put my clone back up. Rinse and repeat. Now which is better is completely up to personal preference of course, I just like seeing MISS on my screen😂 [Yeah evasion tank is unique trait of BK. I'm thinking of using mirror ag claw, boo, arelta, hero clawer bandages, with eva abis and eva als. It can achieve 95%. There are some other variation tho. The reason of why I'm trying to get 95 is because I have a char that can negate 70-80% of the time and in my experience is not enough. I'm still seeing my defense is breached, and getting dmg twice/thrice resulting in death quite often happen in my taste. This was tried on ep.6 boss. Maybe different story for bk since bk have innate resistance. And negate mechanic is different with eva. So I'm still considering mixing resist and eva just like you said. I figured the dmg will be low because of claw and al configuration but hey your job is tanking. I imagined I will stuck at spamming fear howl especially when partying with aggro machine like ench and sniper. Tho some ppl arent comfortable with that kind of playstyle.. Yeah 95% is definitely achievable, like I said it mainly came down to dmg why I choose not to go for 95%. If you’re comfortable with lower dmg then more power to you  . Not many things more fun than being at 300 hp and tanking no problem spamming tyrant/fear howl. As far as you hw, what’s your agi?? I’ve seen a couple of tests and from my own test, overall evasion rate is capped by your agi stat. 0 agi only allows you to evade 80% of attacks REGARDLESS of abs/mag eva and eva stat. Whereas 256 allows you to evade at full capacity. Even 100-150 agi really really really helps. I’m trying to find a good way to properly test this and report it so I can know things like after how much agi are there no result, but I know for a fact that agi helps and if you have space in your build you should consider adding some. |
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Post by Aza on Apr 14, 2020 3:45:15 GMT
Before rebalance I can evade most of the time with assault buff if i'm not wrong it's 80% without any agi or additional eva from eq. Hw nowadays won't evade as much Owe |
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. Not many things more fun than being at 300 hp and tanking no problem spamming tyrant/fear howl.