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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 20:13:17 GMT
Found out i dont need any hp pots or healer while soloing yardes with my dmg set. I use life charge it heals ur max hp in 10 secs but lowers ur defence and resistance also it makes you stay in a fixed position unable to use skills butttt i heal more hp from it then yarde can dmg me and stun parry still hiting so its not that bad saves me from useing thick rev m for mp im thinking of useing replica gauntlet it heals mp by def of just use salt I heard sofys shield is has good proc rate, but Idk how much. It heals around 20% of your mp when it triggers. Re upped version looks great, but isn't released yet.
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Post by Blerfy on Jun 22, 2018 21:10:22 GMT
Until the formulas are proven wrong, I'm sticking with the current formulas. Im not saying the formula is wrong. But iirc I heard from somewhere that mdef is related to how much natural m def you have. I could be wrong about that, but if I am right that would explain why ive seen mdef help more than the formula its self says
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Post by Krish (Retired Player) on Jun 22, 2018 21:35:00 GMT
Blerfy lol you're so butthurt that I criticized your build. To me it seems you're just trying to justify your build to yourself. The "advantages" you listed are just hot air. Like @zura said, the difference in taken dmg is minuscule. And heal boost increases your heals way more than your INT. I repeat, I had that build on my own pally for a long time. I know what it's about. And I'm glad I got rid of it, because I wasn't enjoying it. To me, THAT was boring. Resetting my pally's stats breathed new life into him. Instead of being different for the sake of it, maybe you should think if there is a reason that a certain build is common - it's the most fun to play. That being said, the OP should decide for himself what stats he wants and not feel limited by our opinions. Nobody is butthurt at all, they're just trying to bring their constructive arguments to the table. At the end of the day, INT DEX VIT paladins have their own benefits over STR DEX VIT builds. They are better tanks regardless but won't deal damage that well for Knight's Oath. There isnt much of a difference in guardian either since that is dependent on MaxHP as well as ATK. Not only this but there are some equips which might be really great for paladins if they have INT e.g Carmo Hood, Magic Swords/Special Throwing (These will be great for paladins in the future when auto attack is off) I'm still trying to find out if Devotion is raised by INT, and if that is proven via cross comparison then that is another pro. INT adds MaxMP, MDEF and MATK. That can serve a bunch of purposes. What does STR do? Oh, it just adds ATK. Everything else is entirely up to the purchase of abilities or equipment to make up for that lack, which is the con. I also have been running an INT/VIT/DEX build on my Paladin since the start too, and I have had no problems at all. Quit trying to create a situation and just accept it. As far as I can see, you are just the one thats butthurt here. EDIT: OP came here because he wanted opinions. Not giving him opinions is not giving him advice on a stat build at all. And you're clearly one of the influencers here by agreeing on someone's opinion of an INT DEX VIT build being useless and continuing to talk about how garbage it is for you. OP even said himself that he wants something that doesn't need power and has good tanking ability.
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Post by NightBreeze on Jun 23, 2018 3:14:20 GMT
I also have been running an INT/VIT/DEX build on my Paladin since the start too, and I have had no problems at all. That is the essence of your comment, really. You, too, are biased and trying to justify this build to yourself. The gears you list that benefit from INT are weak and inferior to modern gear that doesn't depend on INT. MaxMP added by INT on warrior classes is minimal, MDEF reduces some DMG but the reduction is so small that it doesn't matter, and MATK is literally useless for paladin, a physical class. Adding INT on pally is no different with adding INT on BK or Glad. If you want to change my mind, come back and try again after you have tried both builds, like I have, and you still found SOLID reasons why the INT build is better.
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Post by Done~with~forums on Jun 23, 2018 3:51:50 GMT
With my "infinite set" S stick l5 20%hp Bellow iniliba Replica soon sofia 20%hp I have 5k hp 500 auto mp heal and 2k heals i can basically infinite spawn and kill h ent with this set with no pots needed just and my mp always full xD! Have about 35k hp tho so guardian dmg 3-6k q.q not rdy for a yarde infinite grind
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Post by Krish (Retired Player) on Jun 23, 2018 4:10:10 GMT
I also have been running an INT/VIT/DEX build on my Paladin since the start too, and I have had no problems at all. That is the essence of your comment, really. You, too, are biased and trying to justify this build to yourself. The gears you list that benefit from INT are weak and inferior to modern gear that doesn't depend on INT. MaxMP added by INT on warrior classes is minimal, MDEF reduces some DMG but the reduction is so small that it doesn't matter, and MATK is literally useless for paladin, a physical class. Adding INT on pally is no different with adding INT on BK or Glad. If you want to change my mind, come back and try again after you have tried both builds, like I have, and still found SOLID reasons why the INT build is better. Don't judge a book by its cover. I have in fact tried both builds because I have spent on Stefly's Books about three times for my Paladin and decided to stick with said build. You would especially know this looking at my recent guide as I do break down the pros and cons of each build. So no, it is not the essence of my comment and I am not biased one bit. If INT VIT DEX was not a viable choice to me at all, I wouldnt have even posted here cause you would have already drove down the nail in the coffin. The point I was trying to get across was that it is a viable build likewise to STR VIT DEX and it not impossible at all to level, as you have said in a previous post. I also brought down the point that OP wanted a build which has good resistance and tanking ability without power, and so I delivered. You on the other hand gave something completely separate to what he requested. Why would I need to convince you? That doesn't make any sense, you are okay to do whatever build you like. I don't care. Having a high amount of INT makes all the difference in base MaxMP even if it is quite minimal for Paladins. So therefore, you could spam guardian more solo wise than a STR VIT DEX build could or even make a heal set in the case you don't have life charge to regenerate your health. That's what the MATK is for. Carmo Hood actually gives a substantial gain to DEF and MDEF. For 433 INT/VIT you will get 260 DEF and 346 MDEF, to be exact. Bellow of Order will also give you 433 MATK, which would help greatly with heals too. So no, INT is actually a good alternative if you don't want to spend your time farming a rare mob. The essence of what you have been trying to say this entire time is "Hey, INT VIT DEX build is impossible to level with and it is useless compared to STR VIT DEX". No, it isn't. They have their respective benefits and downfalls which makes them both good builds to go with.
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Post by Ravitox on Jun 23, 2018 4:26:52 GMT
I did a hybird build because I wanted to be tankier while maintaining a good amount of damage. Honestly, I wouldnt ever choose to remove it. It helps more than you'd think. I can outlive most pallies and I almost never use pots in pts (including pts without bish) because I can be my own healer if I need to. I remember grinding together with a lvl 350 VIT/DEX/STR pally friend at bw back when that was the cap, I must have been only only 300-310 at the time. Keep in mind, they were using boo too. I remember them complaining that their matks did too much dmg and were losing hp too fast, they wanted to grind somewhere else. Well, I was over in another area of the map grinding, maintaining around 15k hp not caring about the matk because they didnt do much to me. I dont use my boo while grinding, in fact this was before I bought my boo (im naturally poor, okay? xD). I've always used H mail while I grind.Sure resistance works better than def/mdef but they still help, and wheres the harm in stacking them if it wont hurt your dmg much? Besides, Crazyman is looking for a tankier build, why discourage it? I agree with the use of INT on a "full tank build". In the case of Knights Oath or even Guardian damage builds, having damage stats is better, but since my paladin was a character created on a long list of characters after my main assassin, I felt no need to have damage. I think at level 180 my pally healed 2.4k with no real gear (not quite as poor as you, but my main demands billions and billions and I have nothing left to give my paladin, so it must live on its own xD) I believe at the time I had full VIT/INT and some DEX. Not quite the regular paladin build, but I could tank 3 yardes nonstop at level 180 with a wound transer with and HP+20%, no-upgraded empty chainmail, and a gloot with more HP+20%. I was the party healer and tank xD I wasn't quite the "spam guardian" person, but my mana pool is high with INT, so I would just aoe until I had enough Yardes, and keep hate with spam healing everyone. Pretty cool huh? (I know, I suck XD.) I used a few salty salts for mps, but those aren't expensive. Regen is fast o.o Personally think I might have some bromance with full tank paladins, since my main is a full damage assassin. But then again, my main is a full damage assassin. I can't really say maining a full tank pally doesn't make you feel like a used meat shield and really slow, since I have been told by good paladin friends that's what it feels like. Anyway, I hope some small pallies will be full tanks at some point. They're cool, in my opinion
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Post by Ravitox on Jun 23, 2018 4:42:42 GMT
I also have been running an INT/VIT/DEX build on my Paladin since the start too, and I have had no problems at all. That is the essence of your comment, really. You, too, are biased and trying to justify this build to yourself. The gears you list that benefit from INT are weak and inferior to modern gear that doesn't depend on INT. MaxMP added by INT on warrior classes is minimal, MDEF reduces some DMG but the reduction is so small that it doesn't matter, and MATK is literally useless for paladin, a physical class. Adding INT on pally is no different with adding INT on BK or Glad. If you want to change my mind, come back and try again after you have tried both builds, like I have, and still found SOLID reasons why the INT build is better. I will agree with NightBreeze that INT is not the better build on a Paladin, because MATK is minimal, MDEF doesn't help, and MaxMP doesn't change too much. I probably shouldn't have added INT on my assassin... (I'm joking about this last part) Yet, I add it anyway. INT may be for poor people like us (I used to be quite poor, everyone starts somewhere lels), but it is quite good for poor people. We benefit a lot from the increased healing. I think the healing capability of Paladins is what makes it such a good tank for a full party, not just solo. Healing is the one big thing I can say significantly sets and INT paladin apart from an INT gladi or BK. The difference between a pally with 200+ INT and 0 INT at level 180 is a few thousand hp per heal (when compared gearless to gearless). It allows people to sustain a little better, so they can put off buying expensive gears until they are well into their 200s, and sometimes, that's all we need xD. While tanky, paladins are very versatile, and can get very expensive with all the invisible costs of potions that leech at your money. This, of course, is no explanation that the INT build is better for paladins because it is not, if we are talking about what the essence of a melee tank should be. However, it does serve as a good hybrid build, a little tankier, and allows for a much more supportive play style when in a party than the other non-int paladin builds. Perhaps that's why some people like it even though it is inferior in damage?
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Post by Undyne on Jun 23, 2018 6:06:21 GMT
I also have been running an INT/VIT/DEX build on my Paladin since the start too, and I have had no problems at all. That is the essence of your comment, really. You, too, are biased and trying to justify this build to yourself. The gears you list that benefit from INT are weak and inferior to modern gear that doesn't depend on INT. MaxMP added by INT on warrior classes is minimal, MDEF reduces some DMG but the reduction is so small that it doesn't matter, and MATK is literally useless for paladin, a physical class. Adding INT on pally is no different with adding INT on BK or Glad. If you want to change my mind, come back and try again after you have tried both builds, like I have, and still found SOLID reasons why the INT build is better. Not everyone who enjoys a different build than you do is "trying to justify their build to themslves" when they defend it from someone calling it bad. Youre derailing the purpose of this thread, helping someone create a tankier paladin whos less concerned with max damage, to which you've contributed nothing than the opinion that int is a useless stat. Thats fine, youre entitled to your opinion as we are to ours, but there is absolutely no reason to insult others and their preferred playstyle because it didnt fit for you. This thread really doesnt deserve to be locked, but at this rate i dont see how it wont with all this arguing. So kindly either contribute to the topic and be productive to the OP or leave your opinion and leave it at that, but please, do not continue to be rude and belligerent to those who have tried explaining why they prefer a different build than yourself. Even the others in this thread who share your opinion have been civil about it up to now, even offered some advice. Onto crazyman, universe II would be a great rod for that infinite grind set with the resist%, heal recovery, and huge matk boost. Throat knife may also be good for the mp regen by defense and decent matk boost (20% isnt exactly small, but compared to uni...yeaaa) but theyre both a little pricey xD. Not sure if youd be wil!ing to spend that much for it. Edit: Not a single person here has said Int is a better build than than str. Simply that int builds will receive less damage, making them the better tank/support,which is 100% accurate however little it may be. Along with utilities such as higher matk for healing and more mp.
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Post by Done~with~forums on Jun 23, 2018 6:18:35 GMT
Undyne Onto crazyman, universe II would be a great rod for that infinite grind set with the resist%, heal recovery, and huge matk boost. Throat knife may also be good for the mp regen by defense and decent matk boost (20% isnt exactly small, but compared to uni...yeaaa) but theyre both a little pricey xD. Not sure if youd be wil!ing to spend that much for it. 0.0 i actually have both uni 2 sauro 2 t knife rolgo (wolf boss) i didnt think to use them face palm but for now ill use s stick cuz it gives me 10int and im low on int dont have apos atm unless my uni 2 beats it
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Post by Blerfy on Jun 23, 2018 12:18:08 GMT
With my "infinite set" S stick l5 20%hp Bellow iniliba Replica soon sofia 20%hp I have 5k hp 500 auto mp heal and 2k heals i can basically infinite spawn and kill h ent with this set with no pots needed just and my mp always full xD! Have about 35k hp tho so guardian dmg 3-6k q.q not rdy for a yarde infinite grind Id recommend lower hp mobs for this. I'd say maybe Petafee and Lux Mushroom mear maios would work for this. They have maybe 70~80k hp unlike Yardes ~800k hp. They give around 25k exp if I remember correctly
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Post by Done~with~forums on Jun 23, 2018 15:48:37 GMT
With my "infinite set" S stick l5 20%hp Bellow iniliba Replica soon sofia 20%hp I have 5k mp 500 auto mp heal and 2k heals i can basically infinite spawn and kill h ent with this set with no pots needed just and my mp always full xD! Have about 35k hp tho so guardian dmg 3-6k q.q not rdy for a yarde infinite grind Id recommend lower hp mobs for this. I'd say maybe Petafee and Lux Mushroom mear maios would work for this. They have maybe 70~80k hp unlike Yardes ~800k hp. They give around 25k exp if I remember correctly thanks ill try it out
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2018 17:30:14 GMT
Id recommend lower hp mobs for this. I'd say maybe Petafee and Lux Mushroom mear maios would work for this. They have maybe 70~80k hp unlike Yardes ~800k hp. They give around 25k exp if I remember correctly thanks ill try it out irunaonline.boards.net/thread/26390/ ^ one-shot leveling mobs. Infinite spawn should work great if you can pick a map that no one goes to. Edit - I personally grind fox priests
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Post by blknylw on Jun 23, 2018 23:00:07 GMT
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Post by Blerfy on Jun 23, 2018 23:29:55 GMT
I use 260 int, I think tim21 said he uses 200? and I think Krish is full int. Correct me if im wrong
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