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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 1:28:46 GMT
260 int good for magic tank? If so thanks ibwas wondering how much to add yep, it should bring you up to at least 1k MDEF by maybe lvl 320, which is high for any class, especially for a warrior class I personally don't see the point of investing into def/mdef stats. You could have 5k mdef, and you'll only turn 25k magic damage to 20k, as opposed to having high magic resistance.
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Post by NightBreeze on Jun 22, 2018 2:08:03 GMT
yep, it should bring you up to at least 1k MDEF by maybe lvl 320, which is high for any class, especially for a warrior class I personally don't see the point of investing into def/mdef stats. You could have 5k mdef, and you'll only turn 25k magic damage to 20k, as opposed to having high magic resistance. Couldn't agree more. Can't believe some people still care about def/mdef when resistance/mres is so much more effective. For this reason, putting points in INT means wasting points for pally.
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Post by Undyne on Jun 22, 2018 3:17:54 GMT
I personally don't see the point of investing into def/mdef stats. You could have 5k mdef, and you'll only turn 25k magic damage to 20k, as opposed to having high magic resistance. Couldn't agree more. Can't believe some people still care about def/mdef when resistance/mres is so much more effective. For this reason, putting points in INT means wasting points for pally. For someone who wishes to prioritize tankiness over dmg, how is int a waste? With bosses doing more and more damage even through resist sets, def/mdef means much more than most earlier bosses. if a str pally with a resist set is a great tank, an int pally with a resist set should be better at tanking, no? Ever since oath was added i feel like pallies have forgotten theyre made to tank and shifted to "lets focus on doing 2m+ oath all the time" . Its a matter of prefernece, my 290 pally has easily tanked magic bosses that people 20+ levels above myself could not, and i only have 200 int. Int pally with max resist is a force to be reckoned with Edit: onto my advice, if you want to be a pure tank without sacrificing too much damage, anywhere from 200-300 int would work well, depending on how many points you have and how comfortable you are with your dmg. Theres no real mainstream pure tank/dps hybrid, so it will mostly be trial and error.
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Post by Blerfy on Jun 22, 2018 3:30:39 GMT
I personally don't see the point of investing into def/mdef stats. You could have 5k mdef, and you'll only turn 25k magic damage to 20k, as opposed to having high magic resistance. Couldn't agree more. Can't believe some people still care about def/mdef when resistance/mres is so much more effective. For this reason, putting points in INT means wasting points for pally. I did a hybird build because I wanted to be tankier while maintaining a good amount of damage. Honestly, I wouldnt ever choose to remove it. It helps more than you'd think. I can outlive most pallies and I almost never use pots in pts (including pts without bish) because I can be my own healer if I need to. I remember grinding together with a lvl 350 VIT/DEX/STR pally friend at bw back when that was the cap, I must have been only only 300-310 at the time. Keep in mind, they were using boo too. I remember them complaining that their matks did too much dmg and were losing hp too fast, they wanted to grind somewhere else. Well, I was over in another area of the map grinding, maintaining around 15k hp not caring about the matk because they didnt do much to me. I dont use my boo while grinding, in fact this was before I bought my boo (im naturally poor, okay? xD). I've always used H mail while I grind.Sure resistance works better than def/mdef but they still help, and wheres the harm in stacking them if it wont hurt your dmg much? Besides, Crazyman is looking for a tankier build, why discourage it?
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Post by Done~with~forums on Jun 22, 2018 3:52:59 GMT
Im thinking Vit max Dex 350 Int 200 Str 350
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Vit max Int 200 Str 350+ Dex 350+
For my res set is perfect for melee but i still take 100-300 more dmg from magic atks what al should i use or maby i should do 2s mq spec crescent/wizard
As for dmg with a dmg set i just got Fudo sauro 2 +7 Bellow iniliba +9 def 25 Monty vida +9 def 15 Myrica ns With this set i have 40k hp 3k atk and 9-12k guardian and still able to spam
Thanks for the advice loveing this pally still need more hate abi for add and spec tho
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Post by Jophes on Jun 22, 2018 4:18:49 GMT
Done~with~forums I think it would be best to save the 2s mq spec for your oath set. As you have heard from others, it is possible to reach max melee and magic resistance along with max rate cut if you use the right equips, al xtals, xtals, and ability. I've got a natural bias towards including INT so I approve of the INT you've got.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 4:31:42 GMT
Undyne BlerfyCan't say anything from experience since I don't have a pally yet, but I can at least rely on formulas. I agree int pallies will be able to tank better, scraping off 1-2k damage from magic attacks that deal 100k damage, which eventually gets reduced to 4.9k with 95% magic r (5k if you have 0 mdef). Useful, but imo not worth the trade. Those stat points could have been spent on rd (more hp), gr (atk/pierce w/ yellow lines), and str (atk) which affects survival and tanking (cuz more damage = more hate) a little bit. With just a few levels of difference, it's the gear that matters. You could tank better because you had better stuff. My 193 ninja has more dps than a certain 263 agi ninja because I had better stuff. Little relevance since my example is damage-based, but what I'm saying is that if you and any typical pally both have 95% magic resistance, you'd only be tanking better by 100 damage. As for attacks that go through magic resistance, I'm not sure if those attacks go through mdef as well. If mdef affects it, you tanked 1-2k damage more than a typical pally, and Idk how relevant that is since I haven't really fought any higher level bosses. I'm guessing those do around 60k, so you'll still take 58-59k. I quite agree with the healing part. Always carrying both mp and hp pots is a bag space killer, but it is necessary in emergencies anyway, whether solo or in a pt. I do see myself spamming heal while grinding, but it'll most likely be with a heal reward set (which also kills bag space tho). Either way, if Done~with~forums still wants to go through with it, he will get what he wants: a tankier-than-usual pally.
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Post by Undyne on Jun 22, 2018 4:39:00 GMT
Im thinking Vit max Dex 350 Int 200 Str 350 Or Vit max Int 200 Str 350+ Dex 350+ For my res set is perfect for melee but i still take 100-300 more dmg from magic atks what al should i use or maby i should do 2s mq spec crescent/wizard As for dmg with a dmg set i just got Fudo sauro 2 +7 Bellow iniliba +9 def 25 Monty vida +9 def 15 Myrica ns With this set i have 40k hp 3k atk and 9-12k guardian and still able to spam Thanks for the advice loveing this pally still need more hate abi for add and spec tho Best thing with gear you can do currently is +9 that fudo. +9 makes a significant difference atk wise, which will help with the lower str. As for magic resist/defense, could either use Leviam (10% magic resist) or Vatendeth (10% melee/magic resist, but that -20%hate will hurt) or both, depending on your needs. Could also consider Ignats as an option. My recommended al setup would be Vulschem Malti Teo(2% atk is far from the best, but +180 def) Ignats(8% magic res, 1% element resist)/Leviam(10% magic resist)/Vatendeth(10% on both resists, -20% hate rise may hurt) *Whichever best suits your needs, personally id say ignats is better. Muscle/Valtia
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Post by NightBreeze on Jun 22, 2018 8:19:24 GMT
Besides, Crazyman is looking for a tankier build, why discourage it? Because my pally was initially an INT build, and I had a terrible experience. It's basically impossible to lvl up solo with such a build, because oath doesn't do enough dmg to be useful. So I'm just trying to help him so he is not forced to buy a stefly later, like I did. Maybe at a high lvl, after you maxed VIT DEX STR and got remaining points, putting them into INT could be an option. But early on it's just shooting yourself in the foot.
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Post by Undyne on Jun 22, 2018 14:41:15 GMT
Besides, Crazyman is looking for a tankier build, why discourage it? Because my pally was initially an INT build, and I had a terrible experience. It's basically impossible to lvl up solo with such a build, because oath doesn't do enough dmg to be useful. So I'm just trying to help him so he is not forced to buy a stefly later, like I did. Maybe at a high lvl, after you maxed VIT DEX STR and got remaining points, putting them into INT could be an option. But early on it's just shooting yourself in the foot. Early on as a pally you act like the damage is better with str by enough to make it necessary. Pally is not a dps class, parties are actually quite welcoming to pallies at times. i would get 3i pts much more frequently as a lv 240 tank opposed to a 350+ hw, so i really dont see a need to solo lvl much. Once you get oath, you should have the stats to have respectable int/str at about equal, if youre going that route. I honestly never had a problem with oaths dmg, i started adding str at 280 just because i was satisfied with my int Onto crazyman, he does plan to add a significant amount of str as seen from the OP/posts after we suggested ideas to him. 200 atk roughly (70 from str, 70 from dex, then whatever small atk boost hed be missing with line colors) does not make that great of a difference, my pally has 200 str, no line stats, and still has 5k atk with 350 vit/dex, pally is not a hard class to get respectable atk with. Especially considering the balance changes, giving pallies a borderline op passive atk boost.
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Post by Blerfy on Jun 22, 2018 16:30:31 GMT
Besides, Crazyman is looking for a tankier build, why discourage it? Because my pally was initially an INT build, and I had a terrible experience. It's basically impossible to lvl up solo with such a build, because oath doesn't do enough dmg to be useful. So I'm just trying to help him so he is not forced to buy a stefly later, like I did. Maybe at a high lvl, after you maxed VIT DEX STR and got remaining points, putting them into INT could be an option. But early on it's just shooting yourself in the foot. He's looking for a tankier build WITH some dmg. I'm not encouraging him to go full int, Im just telling him what ive personally done with my own hybrid build. From my own personal experience, it wasnt hard, even with less than 100 str before 260. Maybe a little difficult at times but it's hard for everyone before 260 without mq rushing, and pally was my first class. Mq wasnt even hard for me. Keep in mind too, Guardian, while it is affected by atk, is more dependent on your hp than anything, hp gear would always outdmg the atk gear with guardian. To this day, I still only have 160 STR, and for being under geared with only several als and xtals missing I do a decent amount of dmg, anymore I can reach 1m without a problem. Yes, of course 1m is "small" to alot of pallys, but like Tim21 said, pally isnt a dps class. Why should I care that I cant do 2m dmg when my job in bosses is to tank and not be the pts dps? why should I care if I cant do 2m dmg when I dont need near that much to grind? Why do I HAVE to solo farm and why does an extra 10 seconds while solo farming really matter? Why do I need all that dmg with oath when its smarter to spam guardian in mq anyways? Where is the the real harm in int anyways. Longer survival, mdef works way better than people realize, self healing saves you pots and the absolute need for a healer, extra mp helps with spamming even if you need to use mp pots, should dmg really be the #1 priority for a TANK class? If you want to do the most damage possible, than go for it! Im all for it. But its almost sickening how dmg hungry and how insistent people have become about dmg builds. MMOs should be all about making your character how you want them to be should they not? Yes theres dumb builds out there, but just because something is different from the Meta doesnt make it dumb. It could be so much greater than you realize. And personally, If I just did everything by the meta builds and meta pts all the time I probably would have quit by now, things would be too boring. unless youre doing a legitimately stupid build like a dex crt str bishop than youre not harming anyone nor your self.
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Post by NightBreeze on Jun 22, 2018 18:07:37 GMT
Blerfy lol you're so butthurt that I criticized your build. To me it seems you're just trying to justify your build to yourself. The "advantages" you listed are just hot air. Like @zura said, the difference in taken dmg is minuscule. And heal boost increases your heals way more than your INT. I repeat, I had that build on my own pally for a long time. I know what it's about. And I'm glad I got rid of it, because I wasn't enjoying it. To me, THAT was boring. Resetting my pally's stats breathed new life into him. Instead of being different for the sake of it, maybe you should think if there is a reason that a certain build is common - it's the most fun to play. That being said, the OP should decide for himself what stats he wants and not feel limited by our opinions.
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Post by Done~with~forums on Jun 22, 2018 18:30:56 GMT
Found out i dont need any hp pots or healer while soloing yardes with my dmg set. I use life charge it heals ur max hp in 10 secs but lowers ur defence and resistance also it makes you stay in a fixed position unable to use skills butttt i heal more hp from it then yarde can dmg me and stun parry still hiting so its not that bad saves me from useing thick rev m for mp im thinking of useing replica gauntlet it heals mp by def of just use salt
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Post by Blerfy on Jun 22, 2018 18:51:43 GMT
Blerfy lol you're so butthurt that I criticized your build. To me it seems you're just trying to justify your build to yourself. The "advantages" you listed are just hot air. Like @zura said, the difference in taken dmg is minuscule. And heal boost increases your heals way more than your INT. I repeat, I had that build on my own pally for a long time. I know what it's about. And I'm glad I got rid of it, because I wasn't enjoying it. To me, THAT was boring. Resetting my pally's stats breathed new life into him. Instead of being different for the sake of it, maybe you should think if there is a reason that a certain build is common - it's the most fun to play. That being said, the OP should decide for himself what stats he wants and not feel limited by our opinions. I have the right to be when ive spent alot of time and irl money perfecting it to my liking. And what Zura said is wrong, idk how many times I have to repeat my self but it helps so much more than people realize. I didnt try to make a build different, I made it how I wanted it to be. Its the most fun for me personally. Not everyone is going to enjoy the same build, not everyone is going to like the meta, and I know not everyone is going to like my vit/dex/260 int/str/rd build. Thats completely okay. It just hurts when people dont see the benefits of it and tell me im being stupid for it
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Post by Deleted on Jun 22, 2018 20:05:07 GMT
And what Zura said is wrong, idk how many times I have to repeat my self but it helps so much more than people realize. You're indirectly saying the formulas that everyone has been using are wrong, since everything I said about mdef are from the formulas. I personally don't mind being proven wrong. I'm very open to changes as long as I'm given solid proof (it has happened to me a few times in the forum already and I've been very receptive of it). Going against the current is never easy, and I'm sure you know it plenty. If you want to prove the formulas wrong, you'll have to show solid proof of your extensive tests. I can't just rely on statements like: From my own personal experience due to its vagueness. I'm pretty doubtful, I'll tell you that. Until the formulas are proven wrong, I'm sticking with the current formulas.
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