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Post by juice on Jun 2, 2018 9:25:20 GMT
Ok guys since the anniversary event was going on I decided to trade some of my useless ai crystals for some good ones like resist neutral 2 for halios so that I could activate more shellbreak and veleno rosa(x2) and tripple attack which work wonderfully but when I replace agi+2 for vatendeth I notice something strange my Max damage lower a lot from 53.8k to 50.9k I thought I was supposed to increase does melee piece decrease shellbreak damage? Anyone experience that?
I don't feel that bad since my regular attacks went from 26.8k-29k
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Post by 'AhSaN' on Jun 2, 2018 10:33:34 GMT
Critical damage increases your Shell Break damage and ATK increases your Autoattack damage. Basically, Melee pierce should not lower your damage. I might be wrong tho. But I didn't find anything like that.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 3:36:53 GMT
If we can find out shell break's damage formula, maybe we'll see exactly what happened. I only have guesses atm. I just found it. One question: did you try the damage on the same mob? If you did, here's my guess: *Damage calculation formula = (Dealt Damage + Enemy DEF / 1.5) × (1 + Enemy DEF / 750) Formula source: irunaonline.boards.net/thread/27879/monk-skills#ixzz5HKPD21wzThat's the original shell break damage formula. Here's my GUESS formula for applying melee pierce to that: *Damage calculation formula = (Dealt Damage + [Enemy DEF] × [1 - Melee Pierce] / 1.5) × (1 + [Enemy DEF] × [1 - Melee Pierce] / 750) In other words, melee pierce+% increases auto attack/physical skill damage, but reduces shell break damage, while melee pierce-% decreases auto attack/physical skill damage, but increases shell break damage. Let me just repeat that this is just a guess.
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Post by 'AhSaN' on Jun 3, 2018 10:40:37 GMT
@zura bro. I'm a bit curious. How did you calculate the "GUESS" formula?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2018 10:57:42 GMT
@zura bro. I'm a bit curious. How did you calculate the "GUESS" formula? Well, I don't really know how melee pierce is applied in a formula, so I 'assumed' that it reduces the target def by the amount of melee pierce, but the def reduction is only applied to you (which means your party members/pets will not get a damage increase). So I put it in the formula basing on that assumption.
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Post by juice on Jun 3, 2018 18:43:55 GMT
If we can find out shell break's damage formula, maybe we'll see exactly what happened. I only have guesses atm. I just found it. One question: did you try the damage on the same mob? If you did, here's my guess: *Damage calculation formula = (Dealt Damage + Enemy DEF / 1.5) × (1 + Enemy DEF / 750) Formula source: irunaonline.boards.net/thread/27879/monk-skills#ixzz5HKPD21wzThat's the original shell break damage formula. Here's my GUESS formula for applying melee pierce to that: *Damage calculation formula = (Dealt Damage + [Enemy DEF] × [1 - Melee Pierce] / 1.5) × (1 + [Enemy DEF] × [1 - Melee Pierce] / 750) In other words, melee pierce+% increases auto attack/physical skill damage, but reduces shell break damage, while melee pierce-% decreases auto attack/physical skill damage, but increases shell break damage. Let me just repeat that this is just a guess. Yeah same mob (yarde) i found it weird since i had ira and switch it for heinrich mail which has piercing and my damage went up 1k in average. I guess melee piece also affects shellbreak.
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Post by juice on Jun 4, 2018 5:29:51 GMT
Ok guys I have finally confirm that melee piece does decrease shellbreak damage this are my findings:
Same weapon, additional and special All boost minus asura and apostolia. Ira vs heinrich mail
Ira Critical= 16.5k average Shellbreak= 28.7k average
Heinrich mail (6% pierce)
Critical= 16.9k (1.02% higher) Shellbreak= 28.2k(1.02% lower)
When I used apostolia and asura at the highest I use to do almost 53.8k before vatende now I do 51k that was a 5.5% decrease in damage but my regular critical when from 28.9k to 31k+
Seems like a trade off.
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Post by °Malice° on Sept 15, 2019 4:58:48 GMT
Ok guys since the anniversary event was going on I decided to trade some of my useless ai crystals for some good ones like resist neutral 2 for halios so that I could activate more shellbreak and veleno rosa(x2) and tripple attack which work wonderfully but when I replace agi+2 for vatendeth I notice something strange my Max damage lower a lot from 53.8k to 50.9k I thought I was supposed to increase does melee piece decrease shellbreak damage? Anyone experience that? I don't feel that bad since my regular attacks went from 26.8k-29k Yes it happen to me also. My monk only have 15% melee n magic pierce from vatendeth. 6 purple and 2 red. Equip with blast claw wyn, d.mail rereup wyn, nasturtium vida. Tested with switching off and on douin talisman (3% melee pierce, melee pierce up by dex) i have 0 dex tho. Try fight with minenaga without douin talisman my s.break can hit almost 29k with purple aura on minenaga (maybe what expert say as barrier=def up/null some dmg by %) but when i equipped with douin talisman with additional 3 melee pierce, my s.break dmg only goes around 27k and it doesnt reach 28k anyway. Well then vatendeth a.l is not suitable for monk cuz it decrease their s.break dmg. As for dps class every bit of damage is important i guess. The only good thing about vatendeth a.l is the +10% melee and magic resist. Extra: when minenaga activate purple aura and i used bash the early dmg was like 1.4k but when minenaga hp like below 10% with purple aura my bash dmg went up to 27k! And minenaga didnt get stunned. Idk if it happen by chance. So.. If +melee pierce% stat decrease s.break dmg, maybe -melee pierce% stat increase s.break dmg then? lol
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Post by Geødude on Sept 15, 2019 5:11:13 GMT
So.. If +melee pierce% stat decrease s.break dmg, maybe -melee pierce% stat increase s.break dmg then? lol It seems like it does xD -100% melee pierce and +100% shellbreak set anyone? Lol
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Post by Done~with~forums on Apr 12, 2020 4:10:38 GMT
Hey guys I have a question is it that she'll break is actually lowered in dmg or that the dmg is leaked into all your hits...
What I'm trying to say is if in the end on like luna is the dps the same ?
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Post by GeoSmasher on Apr 12, 2020 4:25:50 GMT
Hey guys I have a question is it that she'll break is actually lowered in dmg or that the dmg is leaked into all your hits... What I'm trying to say is if in the end on like luna is the dps the same ? Increase Pierce make Shell break dmg reduced but normal hit dmg increased And Luna dps test is unfair for monk cuz it has 0 DEF
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Post by Done~with~forums on Apr 12, 2020 4:41:33 GMT
What I'm trying to say is if the dps is the same in the end
I have a h rise 2s and kinda want to use it on my monk auto set
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Post by GeoSmasher on Apr 12, 2020 4:53:18 GMT
Because Luna DPS has 0 def so shell break with melee pierce or not doesnt affect your dmg so at the end your dps result doesnt change But melee pierce isnt bad for auto unless you have very high shell break rate. It only bad for geo
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Post by Nobody (Retired for now) on Apr 12, 2020 4:55:01 GMT
I'd say that it's almost the same or if you have low Shell Break rate, even higher.
Cause let's say:
With 0% Melee Pierce you do 50k per hit, and 100k Shell Break (150k)
With 10% Melee Pierce you do 55k per hit, and 90k Shell Break (145k) Lower shell break damage, but higher normal attacks which tend to proc more than Shell Breaks.
I'd say that if we had 100% Shell Break, Melee Pierce would be fatal. But as we know, our Shell Break is not even 50%, so for me Melee Pierce is not actually a big problem.
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Post by Done~with~forums on Apr 12, 2020 6:21:02 GMT
I ended up putting veleno in it and I lost 3k shell break dmg on 3eye and did 4k more dmg via normal attack
Also venom prison 1s is as strong as h rise 2s for monks*
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