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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 5:56:33 GMT
So I made a bk (well, still a knight atm) following the build str crt dex vit, but I did it without knowledge of what I was actually doing. In other words, people said that's the build I should do, so I did it, but I don't know why. Would anyone please explain "beast knight" to me? Like which skills matter, how the stats are connected to those skills, and how is its playstyle since the pinned guides are kinda outdated.
Oh, and I'd also like to ask about what sword I can use that's not sauro l4 cuz I'm too poor for that. Something like the top 2 or 3 normal sword. My future bk will be sharing equipment with my samurai/ninja and she currently has boo iniliba, monty up wizaleon (working on getting vida), purity claw 2 cerberus, s.bangle ns. Tia.
Follow up question: does bk have any potential to be a good auto attacker?
Edit: It's a bit disappointing to find out that the bks I meet here and in-game are mostly solo, making it hard for me to find someone to really ask about what I needed. My usual sources are lacking and outdated. If anyone could point me to an updated eng iruna bk skill list, that would be awesome.
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Post by NightBreeze on May 27, 2018 14:25:43 GMT
So I made a bk (well, still a knight atm) following the build str crt dex vit, but I did it without knowledge of what I was actually doing. In other words, people said that's the build I should do, so I did it, but I don't know why. Would anyone please explain "beast knight" to me? Like which skills matter, how the stats are connected to those skills, and how is its playstyle since the pinned guides are kinda outdated. Oh, and I'd also like to ask about what sword I can use that's not sauro l4 cuz I'm too poor for that. Something like the top 2 or 3 normal sword. My future bk will be sharing equipment with my samurai/ninja and she currently has boo iniliba, monty up wizaleon (working on getting vida), purity claw 2 cerberus, s.bangle ns. Tia. Follow up question: does bk have any potential to be a good auto attacker? Those stats are good, because they enable you to use a sword (for normal fights) and special claw (for one-shotting easy stuff with RF). The playstyle is: use beast slash to make the enemy bleed, then spam impact blow. If there's some distance between you and enemy before the fight starts (or anytime there's distance between you and the enemy), you can use rapid fang to quickly cover the distance and deal nice dmg. Currently, my BK lives at 3i (leveling apos everyday) and I use an Air Strum 2 for fighting them. I also have a Legacy of Will 2 (which I share with my glad) for fighting non-neutral stuff. No, BK isn't good at auto attacking. Initially, my BK was agi-crt-str-vit using normal claw, but the DPS doesn't compare with a monk, bite makes it so you can't use other autoskills, and evasion is unreliable compared to the resistance of the sword build. I found myself trying to spam skills because they did higher DMG than auto attacking. Since resetting my stats, I enjoy BK a lot more. |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 14:31:11 GMT
So I made a bk (well, still a knight atm) following the build str crt dex vit, but I did it without knowledge of what I was actually doing. In other words, people said that's the build I should do, so I did it, but I don't know why. Would anyone please explain "beast knight" to me? Like which skills matter, how the stats are connected to those skills, and how is its playstyle since the pinned guides are kinda outdated. Oh, and I'd also like to ask about what sword I can use that's not sauro l4 cuz I'm too poor for that. Something like the top 2 or 3 normal sword. My future bk will be sharing equipment with my samurai/ninja and she currently has boo iniliba, monty up wizaleon (working on getting vida), purity claw 2 cerberus, s.bangle ns. Tia. Follow up question: does bk have any potential to be a good auto attacker? Those stats are good, because they enable you to use a sword (for normal fights) and special claw (for one-shotting easy stuff with RF). The playstyle is: use beast slash to make the enemy bleed, then spam impact blow. If there's some distance between you and enemy before the fight starts (or anytime there's distance between you and the enemy), you can use rapid fang to quickly cover the distance and deal nice dmg. Currently, my BK lives at 3i (leveling apos everyday) and I use an Air Strum 2 for fighting them. I also have a Legacy of Will 2 (which I share with my glad) for fighting non-neutral stuff. No, BK isn't good at auto attacking. Initially, my BK was agi-crt-str-vit using normal claw, but the DPS doesn't compare with a monk, bite makes it so you can't use other autoskills, and evasion is unreliable compared to the resistance of the sword build. I found myself trying to spam skills because they did higher DMG than auto attacking. Since resetting my stats, I enjoy BK a lot more. Perfect. Thank you. This is what I needed  . One last question: is the hate rise good enough for tanking? |
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Post by NightBreeze on May 27, 2018 14:52:04 GMT
@zura sorry I can't answer that, since I mostly play solo as BK.
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Post by ♪Sumire on May 28, 2018 4:05:16 GMT
Those stats are good, because they enable you to use a sword (for normal fights) and special claw (for one-shotting easy stuff with RF). The playstyle is: use beast slash to make the enemy bleed, then spam impact blow. If there's some distance between you and enemy before the fight starts (or anytime there's distance between you and the enemy), you can use rapid fang to quickly cover the distance and deal nice dmg. Currently, my BK lives at 3i (leveling apos everyday) and I use an Air Strum 2 for fighting them. I also have a Legacy of Will 2 (which I share with my glad) for fighting non-neutral stuff. No, BK isn't good at auto attacking. Initially, my BK was agi-crt-str-vit using normal claw, but the DPS doesn't compare with a monk, bite makes it so you can't use other autoskills, and evasion is unreliable compared to the resistance of the sword build. I found myself trying to spam skills because they did higher DMG than auto attacking. Since resetting my stats, I enjoy BK a lot more. Perfect. Thank you. This is what I needed . One last question: is the hate rise good enough for tanking? rf builds tend to lose hate when on pt since u need to retreat then charge again causing ur pt members to gain hate unless ur gonna sacrifice high dmg to hyper tank capabilty then spam impact / then yes u can keep hate since as a knight branch u have provoke skill -- although u can also add some more hate+ gears like abis and Al also not just a tank/meat shield -- u actually got support capablities --- ur magic parry acts like a shield for everyone near u --and u can globally make clones according to my bk friend --- i nvr had the leisure to do pt farm with my bk before cause i was heavily built for soloing |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 6:45:37 GMT
Perfect. Thank you. This is what I needed . One last question: is the hate rise good enough for tanking? rf builds tend to lose hate when on pt since u need to retreat then charge again causing ur pt members to gain hate unless ur gonna sacrifice high dmg to hyper tank capabilty then spam impact / then yes u can keep hate since as a knight branch u have provoke skill -- although u can also add some more hate+ gears like abis and Al also not just a tank/meat shield -- u actually got support capablities --- ur magic parry acts like a shield for everyone near u --and u can globally make clones according to my bk friend --- i nvr had the leisure to do pt farm with my bk before cause i was heavily built for soloing I have no problem with losing damage if it means I can tank better (tho provoke spam would probably anger my party). Which skills should I look into for tanking? According to this site, it looks like I'll be spamming fear howl + tyrant edge. Is it alright to assume that the damage is based on atk? |
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Post by ♪Sumire on May 28, 2018 6:58:16 GMT
rf builds tend to lose hate when on pt since u need to retreat then charge again causing ur pt members to gain hate unless ur gonna sacrifice high dmg to hyper tank capabilty then spam impact / then yes u can keep hate since as a knight branch u have provoke skill -- although u can also add some more hate+ gears like abis and Al also not just a tank/meat shield -- u actually got support capablities --- ur magic parry acts like a shield for everyone near u --and u can globally make clones according to my bk friend --- i nvr had the leisure to do pt farm with my bk before cause i was heavily built for soloing I have no problem with losing damage if it means I can tank better (tho provoke spam would probably anger my party). Which skills should I look into for tanking? According to this site, it looks like I'll be spamming fear howl + tyrant edge. Is it alright to assume that the damage is based on atk? yes based on raw atk and element boost -- tyrant eats hp though --while fear howl fear rate is based on str |
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 7:03:14 GMT
I have no problem with losing damage if it means I can tank better (tho provoke spam would probably anger my party). Which skills should I look into for tanking? According to this site, it looks like I'll be spamming fear howl + tyrant edge. Is it alright to assume that the damage is based on atk? yes based on raw atk and element boost -- tyrant eats hp though --while fear howl fear rate is based on str I wasn't expecting the hp cost. How much is it? 5% max/current hp? This feels like pally . |
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Post by NightBreeze on May 28, 2018 15:13:39 GMT
ur magic parry acts like a shield for everyone near u --and u can globally make clones according to my bk friend Magic Parry, exactly like Parry, only reduces dmg for the user. And clones created by Tyrant Edge are also only created for the player using this skill. The only party support buff BK has, beside the usual knight stuff, is the buff given after Fear Howl that has a chance to nullify the enemy's range attacks. |
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Post by NightBreeze on May 28, 2018 15:14:24 GMT
yes based on raw atk and element boost -- tyrant eats hp though --while fear howl fear rate is based on str I wasn't expecting the hp cost. How much is it? 5% max/current hp? This feels like pally . Just tested it and it's 3% of MaxHP. |
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Post by ♪Sumire on May 29, 2018 1:07:42 GMT
ur magic parry acts like a shield for everyone near u --and u can globally make clones according to my bk friend Magic Parry, exactly like Parry, only reduces dmg for the user. And clones created by Tyrant Edge are also only created for the player using this skill. The only party support buff BK has, beside the usual knight stuff, is the buff given after Fear Howl that has a chance to nullify the enemy's range attacks. oh so thats what that is thanks for pointing me out n.n |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2018 12:54:00 GMT
Wasn't sure whether to make a new thread or not, so Imma just ask here since it's (kinda) relevant anyway. I got a few more questions.
1) are there only skills until 260 in eng version?
2) I would just like to confirm if my research is true:
A) at lv220 is rapid fang skill quest from matif that needs rubellite x 10, scythe like claw x 30, 1 obligaus kill and 40 fire spirit kills
B) at lv240 is impact blow sq from matif (need quest info)
C) at lv260 is alleviation I think? and is an sq in lograth (levia?) (need quest info)
3) did I miss any sq from lv220 and above?
Tia.
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Post by NightBreeze on Jun 6, 2018 18:54:01 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 7, 2018 5:51:04 GMT
Life saver. Thank you for this! |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2018 22:08:10 GMT
So I finally got apos on my bk @lv176 and started grinding megas (I'll be pausing mq from here btw). Beast slash 2 was doing 10k~ish while my crt dmg did around 6-8k (depending on which weapon I'm using) w/o double attack. I then realized auto attacking is gonna be faster (and less work for the thumbs), so I used berserk as I grind. Coconuts kept my mp alive just enough for berserk every 10 sec without missing a beat.
Right there is when I realized I could use auto samu gears. I got me a clean masamune (was already in my mail), and berserked. It was a failure. Berserk didn't give me enough aspd to counter masamune's -200% aspd. So I got a few wild dance abis, transferred a few gears from my monk and changed my temporary al xtals to 3 red and 2 blue (+120% aspd total and two melee autoskills). It got me to 300~ish aspd after berserking and I think I achieved max swing speed.
Then two other problems arose — I completely forgot that mune's auto had mpc and my melee/magic resistance dropped to only +6%. Bite isn't healing nearly enough due to that. I solved that problem by using ssf ns.
As for mune's mpc, coconuts can't keep up, so I thought of using a -item delay set when I use rush so I can use an mp pot right after using the skill. However, I'm not quite sure whether it's worth it or not. At 180, I'll be getting tyrant edge, and Idk if the damage is enough to out-dps berserk. And if it isn't strong enough, I'm not even sure if mune's auto will trigger enough to compensate for its low atk. Also, bite's proc rate is quite high and is hindering other autoskills.
Assuming tyrant edge isn't good enough, should I just use my other swords, or try to make use of mune?
Now assuming tyrant edge does out-dps berserk, would it be possible to solo grind with it without using hp pots (just restoration)? My current resist gears give me melee r+30% and magic r+48%, which goes up to +78% when aegis ring's auto triggers (aegis lv1 chance for 10 sec by defense; I think I could have this proc at least once every 10 sec with autoskill+15% but it's just a guess). Although I don't have to solo grind. I have a cleric friend to grind with, but we don't always go on at the same time so I'd like to know if it is possible.
Tia.
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